| IVOD_ID |
164556 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164556 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T10:37:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T10:48:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4da92c299f0ad7d5b6782630fd8ea06a53683c966d97180d5d26a34765b9d30d1a85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:37:27 - 10:48:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長列席說明立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請王副秘書長好 有請王副秘委員早好 剛剛有委員質詢有些東西你可能來不及講 現在讓你講你們那個司法院什麼開會的紀錄啊這個公開不公開這件事情在司法院裡頭的規定是什麼啊等一下我們請廳長 |
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跟委員報告 其實是依照政府資訊公開法的規定那政府資訊應該要公開的應該是有關政府機關的部分應該是指合議制的機構的會議記錄應該要公開所以因為司法院本身它認為並不是一個合議制的機構所以在依照政府資訊公開法的規定它並沒有一定要公開的情況 |
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至於司法院已經有將這個院會的會議的決議公開在網頁上那這跟目前行政院院會的公開決議的做法是一致的這是可以補充說就是有決議的部分在公開就決議的事項有加以公開那至於在會議中個別的發言的部分目前是沒有好 所以你們有把握你們現在做法沒有什麼問題 |
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有沒有把握啦是有把握啦好因為大家五院互相尊重啦這個大家就是司法院到立法院到底要報告什麼這個誰來報告這個大家都不管是規定或者約定俗成這個我們就繼續做第二個剛剛也提到說這個我們現在一般民眾也會認為啊 |
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奇怪 啊這個人可以交報 啊這個人讓他回去啊這個人給他修啊那這個人很可惡啊 為什麼讓他回家了啊這個人看起來就沒事啊 為什麼要把他要把他積壓啊為什麼這個人交保幾萬啊那個人交保為什麼幾萬啊站在司法院的角度啦個別法官他們做這些裁定 |
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在司法院裡面現在有什麼機制啊去討論說這個事情在這個法官界他這個裁定怪怪就是有什麼樣的機制啊不管叫做補救啦 或者檢討啦 或者是什麼否則每次看到有人被生壓整群都在外面等 看電視好像在開獎一樣 |
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人民對這件事 現在沒什麼反應 就說大膽的 膽子要不要說 喔 漂亮啦 聰明啦好啦 沒問題啦 跟你說沒問題 就是沒問題這個好像對司法的威信啦 大家都會有質疑呢站在你們司法院的角度啊你們有什麼樣的機制喔 可以讓人民可以認為說好啦 反正你們就守一個規定啦 法官都會照這樣來裁啦你們有什麼機制 |
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謝謝委員其實因為羈押有一定的那個要件那就是說他設可是他很多事項就是說他還有涉及很多那個材料就是除了就是說罪名他會影響之外的話就是說他那些犯罪情節到底 |
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重不重或者說現有那個證據到底是什麼那那個法官除了這些之外他還要考量說每個被告他那個資歷也都不相同那或者是說有些人就是說他跟國外的連結可能就比較多就是說也許小孩就在那個國外國外就是有資產所以可能會那個出去 |
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那所以就是說法院他要裁量那個事情實在是很多就是實在是沒有辦法就是說我們一看這個案件就像剛剛那個就是質詢的有關於那個南京這個案件漏鳥俠他到底要不要那個羈押就是連我們手上沒有看到這個那個證據我們也不清楚說 |
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他呈現的這些事實所涉及的罪名到底是重罪還是那個我知道這個我都懂就是說那我想這個部分呢就是要跟民眾多溝通啊就是說他不是一個法律感情覺得一個人漏鳥了而是說就是要跟民眾多溝通說法院到底是依據什麼樣那個事實然後來決定羈押跟不羈押對是站在司法院的角度啦就是社會總是覺得好像 |
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好像好歹運啊好歹運就是說運氣好運氣不好我為什麼這樣講呢就是常常很多包括律師在評論說這個人被生壓了看起來啊壓定了或者是說最後沒有壓讓他交保了那大家想說啊應該進去什麼都說了啦大家會這樣講說阿記人就都說了啊就給交報啊就都說了啊什麼都經出來啊 |
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然後呢 看起來也不會逃亡啊所以我看 搞不好啦待個這一個電子的監控啊應該是沒什麼問題社會還是會覺得好像要靠運氣 |
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我知道你們的態度就是說法官要綜合很多的考量可是在司法院的角度就這樣就說要不然法官 個別法官或是合意之後決定說就讓他交保或是讓他羈押社會還是會覺得怪怪的你們世界各國都這樣嗎都靠法官 法官說我把你騙就是要把你騙沒有你搞不好就要把你騙 叫你回去 叫你回去 |
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然後我們的司法院就是說在行政上我們也不會去討論這件事情還是怎麼樣我在講的是一個機制或是你們都直接放給法官去用 |
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當然就是說有關於那個有關於那個羈押就是他的要件跟他那個裁量事項就是我們平常就是做那個平常培訓的時候這個當然就都會跟那個法官多溝通那另外就是說現在其實有很多法院他都有那個強制處分庭那強制處分庭就是有關於這些羈押偵查中羈押這些那個申請的他是集中 |
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集中在幾個法官他們所做的那他們的標準就會比較趨於一致譬如說像申請搜索的時候那你是內部趨於一致譬如說台北一致台中一致那台北跟台中會不會一致 |
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照理來說應該也會是這個標準不會差很多的好啦 我是建議你們這個在司法的行政上這件事情可能還要可以看什麼讓人民不會覺得說 哇 每次有人去送鴨怎麼大家幾個人都要看電視 都要等想說靠運氣 然後幾家歡樂 幾家醜有些人開心 有些人不開心 |
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我覺得這樣對司法不好啦第二個 你們提到一個少年事件處理法要把這一個前科叫前案記錄 突銷的這一些事情我們現在很多詐騙集團就把這個年輕人怎麼說公關警你又年輕 你今年國中生嘛你去做車手 如果怎麼樣怎麼樣你領工出來也都沒事這個會跟你們現在這一次要提的這些修法 |
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會有關嗎這個我請那個廳長來說謝謝委員的催省是有關過去升職在所有的學生 家長所有的社會復歸都是突銷現在要有條件的突銷就是要保持善良品性才可以突銷不是啦我是一個15歲的國中生啊我們長大的就叫我去捏錢嘛 當廁所嘛 |
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我們就去念了嘛,我們老大跟我說你年輕的你去,你這樣的環境你現在的未成年啊,到現在都沒事情了他那個去用上課上課的,什麼關乎學校上課的都沒事情,幾年都沒事情,你就這樣了啊這些突銷,我現在看這些突銷會不會讓這些詐騙集團啊跟這些未成年的一起來說你們都不用高興啊,會嗎? |
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現在這一波我們送進來的修法我們也會廣為對社會教育 學校的教育跟各方面我們都會製作各項的...你不用教育啦 我是說詐騙集團會逮到這個機會說你看啊 你看他通過啦 不用緊張啦 |
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這齁 你捏一捏就去上課上上的捏 對不對換個環境上課而已他要讓你20歲、25歲的時候紀錄都沒了 會這樣嗎不會 因為現在的修法就是你有一個處罰的紀錄 少年那麼輔導完畢這三年內 輔導完畢三年內必須沒有再任何觸犯法律 |
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你15歲 進去 三年後17、15歲都沒紀錄了是不是這樣這個紀錄 原第一次的紀錄如果他三年輔導完畢三年內又再處罰 不會突銷不會 他就沒處罰了 |
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如果都沒處罰會把它突銷 這是為了讓少年復歸社會就能成長對啦 我是說這款作用力就是詐騙集團就跟年輕人說人家的立法院就通過了 現在改了三年你就沒事啦 別怕啦 他也不會有顫抖啦你就去做 去念就對了啦 |
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包括以前是所有少年的處罰紀錄三年滿都塗銷現在是你再處罰不塗銷又留著是這樣所以這個必須讓社會整個翻轉這個概念想法跟法治的一個更新我是說我最後就提醒說這樣的一個塗銷的這個規定恐怕讓這個詐騙集團的老大直接跟小朋友講說你不用擔心立法院就是會幫你們塗銷啦 |
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這立法院都我們立的 連電視報說這年輕人怎麼15歲去當車手 20歲都沒問題因為立法院已經說好了 就給他取消這個有時候要點頭說就是說這件事情可能要特別去注意一下 好不好好 謝謝 |