| IVOD_ID |
164545 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164545 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T09:48:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T09:57:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4da11d0426ce93b73ab01812ea37d1526ba83c966d97180d5d2fe6342ee0b0898265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
牛煦庭 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:48:23 - 09:57:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部就「替代役訓練及備役召集運用」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查「替代役實施條例」：(一)委員王美惠等18人擬具「替代役實施條例第五十九條條文修正草案」案。(二)委員羅美玲等18人擬具「替代役實施條例增訂第五十五條之五條文草案」案。(三)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「替代役實施條例第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案。
【10月22日及23日兩天一次會】） |
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劉部長有請請劉部長委員好部長早安辛苦了 |
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這個花蓮馬太安溪的這個救災的時候大概內政部啟動了這個替代役的召集替代役的勤務召集然後投入救災嘛然後基本上權益是比照替代役當初的服刑標準要有工價有交通費還有薪資的一些津貼至少要確定他來這不影響他的生活嘛對不對有內政部負責有花蓮縣政府安排伙食跟住宿對不對對就有本協了解是這樣 |
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今天是由內政部負責這一次調動異難協助救災的這個模式跟與地方政府的分工溝通是怎麼運作的 順利嗎 |
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跟委員報告現役替代役的部分都相當順利那包括桃園市在內就是我們提出本來花蓮縣政府就提出其他機具的請求那人力的請求的部分在現役的調動方面我剛剛有報告過有12個縣市的現役替代役馬上過去而且其中還有做現役的當然快嘛因為我剛剛講的是你講特別是備役的這一部分備役的部分第一個它的條件是我們設定的條件第一個它必須花蓮縣級 |
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花蓮縣的戶籍那還有他是備役替代役所以他在動員的過程當中呢勤務召集的過程當中他的通知時間要有三到五天你不能夠今天講明天就去因為他正在工作那所以第一梯次的動員雖然我們是標120人但是真正來的時候大概是九成左右九成其實是不錯了啦第二梯次也大概是九成左右我的意思是說你們在開會討論的時候跟縣政府溝通的過程算順利嗎 |
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情務召集的部分這是全國第一次所以花蓮縣政府在處理兵役制度上面的公務員會比較不習慣但是因為我有下去花蓮親自協調我有跟花蓮縣長徐真衛縣長跟他講說謝謝他願意幫忙所以從我們開始啟動要做情務召集的時候到他真正發布的時間大概過了五天左右 |
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當然還算可以可控的範圍因為每個都是在災害應變中心事情都非常的繁多我想我們應該互相體諒其實很好我是要讚美我說其實地方政府跟中央政府只要溝通順利大家群策群力他的效果總是不錯的所以這點我是覺得我是持正面態度我覺得蠻肯定的我要順著這個題目往下問就是說因為我們現在都希望替代役的備役藝男他可以發揮更多的功能嘛防災也好民力調度也好他其實應該有一個 |
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這個隨時調度的功能你第一次在災情的時候用指揮中心指揮官的角色去啟動當然會有一些些小的這個摩擦或者是一些適應的時間但我覺得沒關係總是啟動這個事但既然有啟動而且效果看起來是不錯的那麼未來這樣子的一個機制能不能變成一個也許可長可久或者是可以更靈活支援的一個機制本期的建議是這樣就是說我們 |
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這個台灣難免這個多災多難地震颱風等等常常有些特殊的狀況所以其實我們都希望民力能夠有效的運用那麼這一次是因為你是首次是用召集的方式嘛所以你大概限制地域等等但其實在這次的救災我們看到很多人其實是熱血投入嘛產值超人等等那是不是有可能的未來啊就是盤點一下這個替代一倍一難的這樣子一個人力資源提早的來做比如說做個平台登記制啊 |
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比如說我其他縣市我要自願去救災有沒有這樣子的一個機制可以來做運行是 報告委員我想分成兩個階段您大概所說的所謂的產值超人是自動自發那是自工嘛 純自工嘛他到底是不是備役或是那個都不重要 |
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那這個部分呢 其實我們在最近的馬太安溪告一段落之後也會針對志工以後要怎麼樣做比較好的分配工作會做檢討跟精進的方案那您現在所說的這個備役替代役對 我講的是備役的部分嘛對 所以我們更能夠肯定說我們現在的現役替代役啊要有三張證照就是防災室EMT-1對 我知道 我自己的報告都寫得很清楚這個我覺得很重要因為這一次呢 去參加的現役替代役或備役替代役 |
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不管是他們做什麼工作至少沒有什麼受傷啊這些狀況因為我們也會緊張啦你至少把人力確保好我的意思是這樣嘛你現在有一些你會要求他有一定的職能等等既然他有現在訓練都有嘛那就要好好的調度這一批的人力或者是儲備這一批的人力所以其實建議啦看看醫政署這邊也許有個登記平台嘛也就是說我既然有這樣子的職能國家發生災難的時候我也有這樣子的意願去投入救災請你可以做個預先登記嘛因為你內政部其實提供了一個相對還算OK的配套嘛 |
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我有工價 我有時數等等這是你們可以政策協調的事情嘛那你如果未來有一個這樣的平台預先登記你是未來不管在哪裡災變發生的時候我手上有一批比較快速的人力可以運用 |
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這是本期的政策建議希望做一下參考好 我們在第二梯次的時候已經慢慢在做這方面的改變所以才會有醫護師的人到衛生所去協助對 所以因為你講你剛剛有回答蘇曉慧委員之間你講的志工因為有志願服務法等分屬不同部位但你內政部可以直接掌控的就是替代役嘛因為這完全是內政部主責啦所以說我的意思說針對備役男的人力調度你能不能預先排序他們哪些專長在發生的時候你可以快速調度我是覺得可以做一些政策上的設計這本期第一個建議 |
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第二我們談防災現在希望地帶役投入防災等等有很多社區像馬市長非常專家都在做防災社區的推廣跟執行防災社區或任性社區任性社區都很好但問題是這樣這本期的觀察我們從第一線現在越來越多村裡等等他都想要去成立所謂的防災社區但是 |
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我想這部長一先做民意代表你也很清楚啊到了村裡的時候你就會發現里長下面很多熱心的林長對不對然後林長同時也是巡守隊很多同時也是環保志工現在加入了防災社區他可能都會一起受訓變成防災室 |
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當然這一群核心的人力有多項技能這個對於村裡的工作運作是好事可是他同時也會有問題嘛 對不對就同樣集中一群人然後這一群人可能也許年紀大了一點等等他並沒有充分的運用所有的人力所以本期在這邊做的第二個政策建議是有關社區的防災式的訓練啦你怎麼樣跟你異難的資訊來做結合嘛 |
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我就想說義男其實已經有證照他已經有技能了那他可能退役之後他變成備役義男的身份那他未來是他既然要發揮他的功能他其實應該被鼓勵投入社區防災室嘛你至少要讓他跟附近的村里長熟識嘛讓他加入不一定要去硬性的上課啦但是只要有一個管道或一個什麼樣的方式你鼓勵他去就近參與嘛這樣我社區防災室的人力 |
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一方面不會給里長造成負擔二方面年齡上的差距就不會那麼的明顯我想也是一個有效調度的方式我跟委員補充一下我們現在的設計方案第一個我們的民政司已經要求全台灣7,448個里長來接受防災室的訓練是有這個基本的概念那現在完成率是25%左右他們其實都覺得這個概念是好的而且我們都是全額補貼 |
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然後第二個是我們現在設計叫做防災協作中心就是鄉鎮公所或是區公所下面的村裡如果要成立防災協作中心區公所這邊的話未來我們就是大小這個人數的多寡會配備20名到50名的替代役來協助未來如果有天災的時候幫忙而不是說某個里 |
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那這個部分呢他就會接受區公所的指揮因為志工去幫忙是有時間去沒有時間就不去但是如果是接受區公所或是防災協作中心指揮的時候他會比較有條問有組織性來協助既有的防災協作體系這本席尊重但我的意思是講因為很多里長或者是很多里長做防災社區的時候他其實很熱心 |
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那有的時候調集人去上課那有些門檻上的一些落差嘛那我的意思說你替代人力可不可以合理來做調度跟補齊嘛一方面讓他更貼近村裡嘛尊重防災協作中心二方面也讓這些防災是真的讓地方是有強力連結的嘛可以在你補充一下我們防災協作中心目前啊甚至配備物資就是緊急發電機或是緊急的濾水器等等這些我們也配備進去那個在這一次的那個國土任性預算裡面我相信在防災裡面你們會做很多努力 |
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這一點大概會有上百萬以上的這樣的補助那這個我們還要教導他所以我們很希望說這個國土任性計畫裡面相關這個部分尤其我們全部都是給地方政府不要被凍結 |
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我說真的啦 如果說比如說我們這樣 名利的調度啦 防災的配套他其實很集中在防災 然後不要有太多政治力去介入的時候其實對焦 這是純民主應該是好事啦那我就希望說 既然你已經培養了很多 替代藝幾乎都是防災室了嘛那是如何讓這些防災室深入社區被替代藝的防災室還沒那麼多但是現替代藝 只要到成功嶺都一定要 |
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對但慢慢會越來越多所以你未來這批人你怎麼讓他跟村裡做結合這是本期的重點而且是最好是他的戶籍所在地當然嘛他就比較知道你住哪裡我就在哪裡服務其實是最好的嘛對而且鄰里也都熟啦不會好像來個陌生人要做什麼事情這就是本期第二個政策建議我希望內部提一些想法跟方案其實我們已經在進行了我剛剛都跟你補充說明了那你就會後把相關的一些資料來做補充我想這樣的一個政策我們希望看到成果可以嗎好謝謝謝謝部長辛苦了好 |