| IVOD_ID |
164516 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164516 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T10:10:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T10:21:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4dad0222de0ec6f4ab8e29853ba2d60c06d83c966d97180d5d22b651861cc72ae2f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴惠員 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:33 - 10:21:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議(事由:邀請行政院主計總處、財政部就「中央對直轄市及縣(市)政府補助辦法修正後,一般性補助款審查與評比基準、財務計畫檢核基礎、撥款方式等規範及作業程序為何?修改財力級次計算公式之合理性及對各縣市補助款影響為何?計畫型補助款範圍與業務定義?對各縣市未來整體財政補助金額之影響」進行專題報告,並備質詢。) |
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主席有請主席總長跟蘭次長蘭部長委員好是 |
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主席總長跟兩位早安今天本席就修法的部分中央對地方補助的方式的調整提出幾點的關心跟建議在這裡我想先請教一下次長就是卓院長他有宣誓說要提出才化法才化法的才化法 |
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要提出財化法的二修的版本行政院有沒有具體的一個時間表有沒有對 財化法二修基本上我們是希望在這個會期可以提出來在什麼時間 |
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如果可以的話就盡量在11月底之前如果可以的話如果可以的話我們盡量還有如果不可以的話我們最慢的底線會在什麼時候因為這個要配合行政院的政策所以我沒辦法決定說什麼時候提當然 行政院也會參考我們財政部的整體的一個建議 |
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基本上我們當然院裡面有院的想法基本上我們是希望就能夠盡量在11月底前可以提所以說修法的一個方向跟範圍其實我們現在也不斷的就是在研擬了 |
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對 我們積極在研擬 積極在研擬事實上我們像昨天我們有開會就水平那部分就跟地方政府在經濟部溝通那另外市權那部分也透過國發會還有各部會那麼去做盤整所以我們希望就根據這些資料我們會擬出一個公平合理可長可久的一個修正草案出來 |
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可長可久好 次長我先再請教你一個問題就是針對的346億沒有辦法分配給地方政府的這一些條文會不會優先修正這個立法院的事情真的我在這邊很難回答這個問題有可能你們有沒有建議有沒有建議說這個就我們財政部的立場或者行政部的立場我們覺得財化法不只是那個計算公式的問題 |
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我覺得最重要的就是我們的垂直或水平分配有很多不公平合理的地方我想委員這一部分都很清楚我也不要再重複所以我們所院長也一再強調就是說我們財化法不只是修公式而是要全盤的修正那我們現在就朝全盤修正的方向去努力 |
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朝著前盤的修正的方向好 市長謝謝那接著我再請教主計總長財化法會朝著前面修法的一個方式那針對的一般性補助款是不是會再修一次呢 |
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會也會再修一次因為為什麼我光是如果財力級距他有修改改變之後我就必須相關的一個一般性補助他也必須要修正包括財力級距也都必須要做修正是好那在這個問題我在特別因為之前有幾個委員也提到了就是說在115年中央政府釋出了多少的一個統籌分配管給地方政府那非常清楚就是8841億 |
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那中央跟地方政府的整體的稅收的分配那這個你剛才也有回答了另外一個委員在早期的話我們是大概是75那個中央是75地方是25那現在如果這個像現在新的財務法跟那個一般性的那個補助辦法的話那我們回到60比40就像你們昨天跟地方政府的一個溝通 |
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我看了那個資料是講到了就是說不管是桃園不管是台北是新北都非常的樂意嘛因為他們分到了很多的錢嘛可是雲林跟台東都不願意嘛為什麼他們分配少了分配少了主委總長你來自於台南我想用台南的一個經驗告訴你就是說中央的財政會不會失衡那地方就是說 |
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政府是不是拿到了錢那是不是可以平衡我簡單的用一個台南的例子給你看那台南的例子裡頭我們看到了就是說台南在這個這一次 |
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他多拿了100他分配到了174億可是他其實要負擔的是253億他還不足79億因為他的整體的不管是他的老龍津貼他的龍寶還有就是他的勞健寶最重要的就是我們有八所國立學校 |
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巴手國立學校會吃掉我們非常多的一個經費的預算那像這樣子的話他在114年的這個比例還減少了37億那你想台南市怎麼辦呢 |
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我想在這裡請教巴索國立高中職他今年是沒有減的他是照以往的補助所以這個會 今年不會減對 今年沒有減這個部分如果要減也必須要循序這個部分 |
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但是一般性補助和計劃型補助它是有減少但是我們這個行政院它也有說明就是說針對目前來講9個縣市比去年短少的這個部分它會把它來彌平然後只多不少所以這個部分等於是說我如果按照114年度計劃的一些相關的補助我通通補給你了所以一般你自己本身 |
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应该要做的项目就应该要自己去做去确定说你到底要办理什么项目是这样所以就是说我会补到114年额度相同的一个金额到114年没有问题可是到115年的话会不会产生问题呢115年会照114年度的额度去补 |
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譬如說台南市如果缺73這樣的部分它就會比114年度少73那就會補73這樣子就會把它補齊所以到目前為止到115還能就是有一個比較正常的一個那個就是分配的方式所以維持三項它只增不減 |
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只是院长有亲口承诺答应的事情这个部分等于是说我都维持114年各项计划的一个金额给你但是你要不要做那要由地方去自主但是我们有很多是属于 |
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中央必須引導比如說0到6歲的一個計畫所以我們就是把它在一般性補助裡面和計畫型裡面切割之後也是把它列出來就是列為屬於經常性普及性或者是經常建設的一個部分相關的機會列在一般性補助裡面 |
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那我可以不可以這樣子解釋就是說如果一般性跟計畫型的一個補助在昨天就是這九個分配比較少的一個縣市他們會得到比較多的一般性補助款跟計畫型補助款 |
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他會跟去年一樣所以我會在一般性補助裡面的財政均衡會補助那他會跟去年一樣萬一我去年我沒有提出來新的一個計畫的話在未來這九個縣市他可能很難去執行到一些新的計畫那怎麼辦啊 |
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但是他一個新的計畫的部分這九個縣新的計畫的部分他自己必須要在項目裡面去做調整項目去做調整那所以這樣子講的話就是說如果我在去年沒有我地方政府沒有提出新的一個計畫型的那個計畫提上來那我在未來這兩年我可能都沒有機會 |
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没有跟委员报告新的财务法已经在规划所以这个财务法里面他就会把一般性的一个基本支出规划在财务法里面包括收入支出 |
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然后整个之后他如果有差短他就会透过财务法里面统筹分配税来做弥补弥补之后其他所增加的财源就是作为他本身本身其他的一个项目的使用所以这部分 |
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在談到另外您談到的就是說如果說別的人都成長那我這九個縣市沒有成長所以我們也要考慮說他有沒有說平均成長的一個機會我們也要給他考慮所以如果說他如果在地方的話地方的話他有認真的去規劃的時候我們還是會在中央還是會再補貼他 |
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考慮給他成長的一個機會說好那這樣子的話這樣子的話就是說你事前的一個計畫的一個引導然後事後就是說我們也希望就是說這個大家在那個花紅包在撒幣你看新竹市要多花5000然後桃園說他可以多花1.5萬這個大家請可以看 |
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所以如果你不用审计的一个态度在事后去公开他在整体的一个施政他的成绩的话那这个会变成我们整个社会就非常的乱那你该补贴的你没有补贴那穷的就像你刚刚讲的穷的更穷有钱的更有钱那以后大家都不住在南部啦大家都往北部移啊那事实上是不可能啊 |
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那這樣子政府怎麼做到了公平正義呢是 我們盡量是說希望要讓政府有均衡整個台灣還有均衡照顧各個國民的一個能力好 |
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跟大家加油啊因為我想這個財劃法這個統治我分配幫我們大家這是搞得好重新進入到一個新的戰國時代那我們也希望把政策就是引導的更好謝謝 謝謝主席謝謝賴會員 委員 |