| IVOD_ID |
164503 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164503 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T09:44:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T09:58:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4daccf3987cc423e8d8e072f7c27276b8ae83c966d97180d5d2f8442d53e673a3d85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:44:29 - 09:58:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝 請阿滾部長好 部長張委員好 滾部長奈清德總統在4天前就是10月18號他在為小水利發電產業發展論壇的時候 自此他講到說 |
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政府已經在2022年公布的2050年淨零排放政策路徑藍圖他已經提出了包括小水利他說作為前瞻能源等12項關鍵戰略在2030年之前要投入9000億結果這段時間很多專家學者到我辦公室來工有嗎 |
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這個你們經濟部核定的前瞻能言12項關鍵戰略2025年淨零排碳的這個路徑南途有包括小水利嗎 |
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多元的多元的多元的那個能源開發其中有一項是小水利沒有錯這也是很多委員有關心的希望的你在你在你的12項關鍵戰略這個每一個都是核定本都是你經濟部核定的就是在前瞻能源這個第三項他前瞻能源裡面有很多包括氫能前瞻能源來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來 |
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我有印你們拿給我看這前瞻能源第三項裡面哪一個有講到小水利你們講到三項來來來第一項是風電跟光電對不對第二項是氫能嘛第三個就是部長你現在講的前瞻能源對它是滾動式的只要有新的包括地熱也好或是其他的能源甚至於是波浪的能源都涵蓋在這個前瞻能源裡面這是剛剛印下來的有嗎你的滾動你有去改嗎 |
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這裡面牽扯到兩個很嚴重啦你現在給我看第三個你剛講的來 部長你講的第三個是什麼前瞻啦前瞻能源它裡面講的是什麼地熱發電生殖能跟海洋能嘛你對著你眼睛看到看到小水電小水電沒有嘛 到目前來你給我看在哪裡這裡面牽扯一個啦如果有機會我們就把它加入聽我講這裡面牽扯到兩個很嚴重的第一個總統不能夠信口開河你沒有東西 |
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你去論壇你對著講 所以專家寫者很認真他們就來問我辦公室說 委員我們找了老半天找不到小水利那不會覺得 總統為什麼他都沒有清楚的看清楚內容我也在那寫一半天寫不完 我今天還特別把這個帶來喔對不對到目前都沒有這不就變成一個信口開河的總統你要這樣下去就變總統變來偶校長對不對 |
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小水利是有一個已經公布了一個短售價格是支持而且鼓勵的我請那個署長講一下現在在講的是現在講的是總統在這個論壇講他在2050年的淨零排碳政策藍圖還有12項的淨零關鍵戰略裡面 |
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找不到小水利嘛結果總統去論壇裡面講這不是變成信國開河嗎不是這樣子小水利本來就是我們水利發電其中的一項在這裡面 在總統講的這裡面有沒有 你放給我看嘛有小水利的 有嗎 |
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消血力本來就在我們政府的政策裡面總統說在慶齡十二項關鍵戰略裡面有嗎這個是你們軍機部的核定版就是在前瞻能源裡面前瞻能源包括非常多 |
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我印了剛剛你講的那個你等一下翻出來 任何一個小水利的字給我 你兩個眼睛可以看得到不是 前瞻能源它是一個概括性的一個說法 只要是前瞻的 它屬於能源的事實上滾動式的檢查都會納在裡面而且經濟部基本上也對小水利有提供的短壽價格已經列出來了你政府的功能特別經濟部 這每一個都是你的核定思維光是第一項風電跟光電 |
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你光是第一項12個大項裡面的第一項就有27頁喔你講的第三項裡面連一個字小水利都沒有你先不要硬拗了我現在只要提醒你總統講話不能夠信口開河要不然就變哪有校長 |
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阿你們第二個 他已經講了你們趕快跟上去把小水利這個計畫把它做好我今天看你的計畫我們會做好 我們會做好那個部長我今天看你的施政報告阿你的這個業務報告阿講小水利也只有六行四阿你們趕快跟上去啦好不好一個請總統不要信口開河第二個他沒有信口開河他也知道小水利是我們重要的能源政策這為什麼27月你要推動光電 風電 |
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你的目標是什麼你的短期中長期的計劃是什麼小水利後來的績效是什麼這個每一項都有沒有計劃現在不是新國開學說過我要推小水利這個東西完全一個字都沒有好不好這是一個好來第二個我們來談一下最近光電板出了很多的問題為了光電板要回收能源署回應說啊 |
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獲蓄每年已經要的追繳已經達到九成了也在去年修罰最高可以開罰150萬目前條例等待三讀這個跟剛剛那個一樣 我也在那裡找幾句沒有你們的法案在哪裡 條例在哪裡 |
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報告委員 這個所謂事成沒有繳納的我們都去吹繳了那如果時間到的話我們就會移送強制執行那所以這個比例其實市長 我在問你說你跟我們說你跟全國民眾跟立法院說你的修法 你甩鍋給立法院啊是啊我說我這查不到你的東西 你的條例在哪裡啦你們有這個條例嗎甘有 |
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這個原來就是那個再生能源發展條例裡面他可以做處罰但是他當時沒有特別對吹角他有罰則嘛 對不對所以你要修法嘛他有罰則啊你這個寫的意思就是說你去修法送到立法院躺在立法院立法院等待三讀啊我得所有專家寫者跟我的辦公室去找 |
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阿你就沒修法你怎麼可以這樣講他不是修法你這不是嫁禍跟甩鍋給立法院而且這嚴重傷害你經濟部的公信力欸報告好報告委員他那個可能我們用的文字他是修那個辦法特別把這一個行為納入辦法要送到立法院刪賭嗎那不是修修定辦法要送到立法院刪賭嗎你講的條例在哪裡啦你送到立法院的條例在哪裡有嗎 |
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你去把它弄清楚對我們來修正用語是修辦法那你真的有條例的話也趕快送來不要說你已經送到立法院來這不要變成真的修正話甩鍋給立法院嗎委員我們看一下你這個文字是哪裡來的因為他這個文字用的這個是我看是一個新聞發布我在想他用的文字可能不是精準我們的文字 |
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这是公式的报道这个不是只有这是公式的报道这是一个新闻报道我看它这里面的文字第一个我明确知道不对的就是有四层位角绝对没有那么但是有位角的我们都已经吹角了另外我们要修的是管理的办法也不是母法那所以我是觉得这一则新闻事实上可能不是市长你打脸的不是新闻这个是新闻报道是有画面的你打脸是你的能言鼠耶 |
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報告我們沒有這種這個訊息是不對的這是公視的報導欸你打臉是記者人員數欸沒關係我們在把它查清楚更重要的要解決問題啦第二個不要當初我們有發新聞稿的話我們會有新聞稿的不要甩鍋給那個立法院啦更重要你是個公信力的經濟部不要變成造謠的經濟部來好我們來看一下保定你13號啊你有吹哨者來檢舉說光電板的這個 |
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在戰事區台湯土地上面沒有 你連收三次喔我說你目前處理好嗎 你說處理好啊我說是在戰事區喔因為卻要講得清清楚楚喔你還回答我說清楚了我說你是戰事上面還清楚 你還說第三次講說清楚了我去看來 我跟你看結果很可惡的是 你在16號你還發了新聞稿誤導民眾 來我給你看真正的真相是什麼 來 |
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這個就是荷包魚 滯洪指定名台塘戰事區勒眼睛應該沒有業障那麼重吧看得到上面是什麼吧那個是堆滿那個浮板這個 這個我們來確認一下這個應該已經清理完畢了但是我們知道我們在九月在你發新聞稿的當天石碇化還在那裡啊我們這樣子 我們在九月十五不要硬拗啦 不要硬拗 我都已經去看過了來 我再給你看後面的來 各個來 |
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18號跟19號來我現在跟你講更重要的不是只有台塘那個站制區沒有清完我去18號跟19號我在新溫的制風池看到什麼路口旁邊馬路上喔馬路旁邊你就看得到了還有破碎的光電板我拿給大家看有沒有我手上抓的那個是破碎的光電板然後呢在那個制風池的上面漂浮的浮板像小船一樣 |
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一、二十隻小船在那邊飄你除非你故意看不到或者像王世堅講的睜眼收瞎話沒出息連滾帶爬才會連這個東西都看不到 |
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這個委員你不了解 你這個照片用過好多次 我說明一下什麼好多次 這是在阿門裡對不對你也承認這是問題 什麼叫好多次不要一直亂講話好不好 市長精準地講因為我們9月7號已經清理完畢但是後來因為有雨水沖刷 或有一些漂流出來的我們要求業者他還要定期巡檢去檢實那檢實之後他會先把它堆置起來 |
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那至於上面有浮板好幾片市長那麼大一個你看它像小船一樣那是很重的你隨便飄一下十幾片的這個浮板全部都飄出來那個是它未來要重新你這個完全不合邏輯這硬拗的那是定位點因為它未來要重新那你是怎麼當初去選不選對了 |
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那麼大一個東西你說是隨時又飄出來是不是過幾天又飄一二十隻小船出來照片裡面水上的那個是葉子的定位點因為它未來要重新復原的時候它必須要把它留幾個地方再定位它這樣子未來施工的時候可以不必重新定位市長最重要的經濟部是一個講話很有公信力的部會 |
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結果你一湊再湊你不只在這邊講了跟事實不一樣的我看的都是有圖有真相 你看我是特別跑去現場看喔我還特別在19號為什麼用了那張報紙國民黨黨主席18號選出來黨主席鄭麗文19號我是想去看你看那個地面上整片的光電板光電模組整片在那邊自模組上面是有回版右邊來來來 我跟你講右下角這個是什麼 |
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阿陸續雨水沖刷有露出來所以我們每天都會派這個業者去巡檢如果有發現他們就會把他收起來暫時堆置在旁邊所以你就不要發新聞搞什麼你已經清完嘛如果這麼容易對不對阿光電板這麼脆弱一下沖刷就會跑出來那是因為它會沖刷或是水位變化有的是它會不斷的我們會不斷的去巡檢它部長我堅持要跟你講 |
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我今天也沒有要你道歉 我現在要講一個很重要政府是有公信力的 當民眾不是 我跟你講喔 最近喔 最近委員如果再問問題 詢 那你們聽一下 才有辦法回答你不要兩個都講 這樣子大家不要聽誰的 好嗎大家互相尊重 來請繼續 |
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部長 我今天沒有要你道歉我今天要講的是政府的公信力我說你不要讓民眾一般的媒體去採訪發現的問題聯合報去追蹤了90天他說在10月初 到了10月初的時候 第90天還有很多地方就是像齊凱去看的這個我是在19號 18號又去看又是一堆問題那一般的嘉義的民眾或者是全國民眾你只要這段時間經過新聞的這個光電池這個制風池 |
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你經過新莊了來我再給你看一個畫面下一個連嘉義縣政府你們發新聞稿16號對不對17號嘉義縣政府還去打臉你們還開牌我們可以講我今天不是要你道歉我現在是說第一個我們那個博定今天最重要的不要睜眼收銷讓民眾因為民眾會覺得說我過去看我看都有看到還是經濟部好那因為時間的關係好OK我們先到了啦我現在要兩個東西啦第一個 |
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確定去把它清除完畢好不好清了我們會再清嘛剛剛署長第一個要求一定要把它清乾淨第二個你的新聞稿出現問題趕快去更正我們會持續清你說你清完了嘛一個禮拜給我一份報告為什麼民眾都看到有問題為什麼你一直講說清完好不好 |
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確定不要再污染不要再污染台灣的這個土地好不好好 謝謝那那個部長喔因為委員大家都關心我知道其實大家都希望社會不要有疑慮所以呢如果你的媒體認為你是你認為是有誤的你們要想辦法去理清楚好不好這才是我們尋答最重要的重點嘛謝謝 |