| IVOD_ID |
164496 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164496 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T09:27:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T09:40:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/615807a88c5be4dab8e83cdf0dc72985ad42acad3a0f8ea683c966d97180d5d23c4597e45d0cb6bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
萬美玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:27:19 - 09:40:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月22日及23日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝召委 我們有請吳主委請主委萬委員好 |
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好 主委好主委我本期记得在国客会在去年113年的时候12月27号曾经发布过新网稿指出财化法修正会影响200亿的科技预算有没有这件事有那后来今年有影响吗有今年有影响 |
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今年有影響我那時候講的就是下一年度就是明年啦你去年講的我當然是問你今年有沒有影響嘛所以今年沒有嘛對不對今年有啊因為我們的這個我在講今年的預算執行不是預算編列好不好 |
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执行没有影响了是吗编列的时候你知道我在问什么我们就不要用这样的方式来今天做这个答询好不好那我们又看到今年的7月16你又再一次说了因为财化法会让明年的科技预算少200亿你有这样说吗对不对有好 |
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那个去年113年的时候其实你当时说会有影响你有提到什么基础科研金创AI太空科技 静林科技都会少但是你看你刚刚回答本席没有影响所以去年列这些出来你去年这12月25号这是113年那列了这些其实事实上在今年没有减少那我们再来看那个今年的时候114年7月16刚刚当然你听我讲完再来报告好不好 |
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你都不聽你怎麼知道本席要問什麼啊你今天到底答詢怎麼回事啊你的態度比委員還差欸你如果不聽你怎麼知道今天大家要問你什麼對不起所以不是不可以這樣啊主席其實你就是應該要制止官員這樣子因為有時候你們都要用反面的方法來什麼叫做用反面的方法委員質詢還要你教嗎主席我的時間要先暫停對不起對不起委員這時間真的要暫停這樣要怎麼質詢暫停一下 |
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我們要這樣溝通一下啦就是說我們委員會的委員在質詢還要他來教我們用什麼方式嗎對不起那你等一下可以修正不要再用這樣的態度嗎好好 謝謝主席那我們看到今年這主委你又說到說我們就是這個編列預算因為財化法又要少200億那我請教一下你這個少200億是少什麼我們今年編的預算後來謝謝我們萬昭委的協助 |
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我們並沒有 並沒有少掉很多啦今年啦但是我現在擔心的是明年 其實是明年你擔心嗎 所以是你擔心但你有對外說 少200億嘛 對不對而且 說真的啦 本席不願多做很多什麼政治的聯想啊7月16 大罷免錢你再繼續講說這個財化法又要少了200億我是不知道啦 是不是要跟上行政院的腳步但是我從來不認為你是這樣的人啦所以呢 我們明年的預算有少嗎 |
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明年預算我們本來編列是1800億但是因為行政院 |
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整個總預算的額度就不足啦所以我們當然被迫要下降到一千六百多元所以你下修來我們看一下看一下我們現在近五年來這是本席整理你的這個科技預算從一百一十一年一二一三一四一五年年增加每一年都在增加你先看這沒有錯嘛對不對沒有錯就到了一百一十五年我們還是增加呀 |
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我们一定要快速增加当然增加我们也支持你的预算不是吗委员会也很支持你的预算我们再来看下一张我们增加你的预算我们支持你的预算但你看到你自己看这个决算你根本钱也用不完你111年还剩余了1亿5千多万那112年还剩5亿8千多万你113年还是剩1亿多万你根本用不完你执行率其实也不够好报告委员 |
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報告委員有時候會有剩餘的原因是不可抗力的因素我同意啊像譬如說我們在做太空主委我本席跟你講我今天不是要跟你討論說你預算為什麼要少兵200億我也不是要跟你討論說你決算用不完的是哪些東西但我現在要告訴你說在預算上面你去年說少200今年說少200事實上沒有嘛事實上不但是一直在增加而且你的這個決算也沒有用完 |
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我想今天要跟你提的就是这个第一个预算增加第二个过去三年我觉得这个你的执行也没有到百分之百那当然您刚刚有提到财化法之后行政院呢这个就是整个去做了一些调节以后所以呢你今天不敢编到1800你编1600嘛那就奇怪了为什么我们行政院呢对我们的这个国防部就这么好 |
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國防部他就增加啊 不斷的增加啊我昨天也問了 我今天也問了教育部部長啊大家都來買一張椅子五萬塊嘛 對不對莫名其妙國防部增加這樣難道是國防部的部長比較會捍衛他的預算嗎 |
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是不是所以我想这一点你也不用回答你去想一想你去想想这样对还是不对但是说真的主委你在本席的心中都不是那种意识形态的人你是一个来认真做事的人但我希望就不要跟这些事情沾上边再来我想也是要接着刚刚我们林沛翔委员问的我们深入一点来问我们看到郑立军副院长他在完成了台美第五轮的实职磋商之后 |
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那他有提就針對擴大對美的投資他提出了要協助美方建立台灣模式的產業聚落我剛看到這一句話的時候其實我有點擔心我也很shock為什麼我們一個台積電過去不夠他還要變成是整個產業聚落 |
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我正在觉得纳闷的时候我们萧美琴副总统她接受外媒的访问就直接讲说台湾已经承诺美国要投资晶片产业不仅台积电还包括整个生态系就产业链全部要过去这就是他们说的产业聚落如果是这样的说法跟这样的文字其实让国人非常的担心我想主委应该有非常关心这件事情你有参与相关的会议吗这样的结果你是赞成还是反对 |
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這個只是講法的問題 我跟委員解釋一下所以你的意思是說這是副院長跟副總統講法不好不是 不是講法不好啦你說講法的問題啊我跟委員解釋一下啦行政院其實在政府院長領軍在跟美國做談判的過程當中行政院其實有好幾度邀請台灣的產業界來討論討論相關的到美國投資的議題 |
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因為有關稅的問題存在所以產業界就會考慮到說是不是應該到美國投資我知道啦 主委本席就是請教您嘛這個相關的會議您曾經參加過嗎有參加過 行政院的會議我參加過那這樣說吧 你是認同嗎 |
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我認同 我跟委員報告原因是什麼是因為產業界認為如果政府不協助我們的產業界把台灣非常有效率的聚落群聚我們開發工業區 科技工業區科學園區等等這種經驗能夠組成國家隊到美國去一起去投資的話他們個別去效率是不高的主委啊 我都不懂了什麼個別去 群體去 到底為什麼要去啊 |
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這本來是我們的護國神山我跟委員報告我今天沒有跟你討論個別去 群體去大家一起去比較互相有安全你這個講法很奇怪但我請教一下你覺得我們整個這樣主委我先問你你覺得我們不管是你剛剛說的個別去 群體去什麼產業聚合區會不會削弱 |
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會不會削弱我國自己半導體的競爭力就是不會嘛所以你能夠保證台積電等這些高科技的產業他們的技術絕對不會外流不會 |
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你可以保證我保證你拿什麼保證廠商為什麼要把他技術外流呢這有時候不是廠商要外流啊這有很多的因素在啊是不是主委你不能太一廂情願真的你不能太一廂情願我覺得你有這個看法我尊重但是實際會不會產生我們所擔憂的事情不是不無可能的所以我們要做風險管控我們要組國家隊去就是為了要保護他們 |
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他們不去不就沒事了嗎他們今天不去不就沒事了嗎他如果不去他在台灣他覺得他可能會虧本因為有關稅的議題當時剛去的時候還沒有在講關稅喔 |
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有啦 已经在讲了啦没有 主委啊 所以你的意思是说现在你的意思是说如果台积电这些高科技的这些产业留在台湾就没有发展了 你的意思是这样吗我们讲的是台积电生态系是指的它的供应链供应链厂商要不要去我认为啦 就是今天你有这么执着的这样子的看法当然啦 我是不知道您真的是这样的看法还是不好 |
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不好去打臉高層不過今天我想有很多的委員都會在這上面跟你做提醒畢竟你是我們這個主管我們所有科技這是最高的一個單位所以這些我們所有提醒這些風險的這個評估我希望你回去的時候還是要細細去咀嚼我們今天所有講的議題那同時剛才談到人才外流這件事當然你也信誓旦旦說人才絕對不會外流但我必須要講 |
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我们过去也花了很多的时间跟精力我们教委会也支持很多的预算我们做人才的培养可是你说人才都不会外流吗人才是只有跟他交流吗我想本席没有那么乐观你看我们花这么多钱来培养可是今天不带台积电去整个产业链要去你想我们培养出来的人才留在台湾无用武之地所以我想这一点当然你刚刚回答配项委员我也有听 |
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那我希望你把今天我们给你的想法看法不同的角度回去其实还是要稍微去了解一下 |
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你願意嗎謝謝委員指教接下來還有一點時間我想針對這一次這個艷澀湖的事件我們李鴻元部長有在講他說這此類高風險的地質災害政府應該要統合各部門的研究跟應變能力他也指出說我們現在我們都知道是農業部內政部還有經濟部這些單位在進行相關的研究可是資源重疊效率不好所以他建議要由國科會出面整合這一點你怎麼看 |
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這個講法是好的是對的但是我們已經在做了我們國科會下面的國家災防中心就是在整合這些資訊我們所有部會的監測資料會匯整到我們國家災防中心來我們長期在做資料的分析 |
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提供包含资讯跟决策的情报我知道你们已经有在做但我认为就是说参考刚刚李洪源部长你也说对那我觉得我们高度要再拉起来然后那个宽度也要再拉宽那你刚刚讲那个资讯我想最后一点 |
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國科會所屬的災防科技中心喔在這一次的災害當中9月4號就已經建置了馬太安溪的堰塞湖監測系統沒有錯嘛對不對那9月21號的時候呢在這個應變中心的中央災害應變中心第二次跟第三次會議當中你有提到第二次的時候下午兩點你說要匡列兩鄉四村里275人的數據對嗎 |
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是的 好 但是呢 隔沒有四個小時 下午六點你把它匡列變成三鄉十二村里一千八百戶對不對 我請我們陳主任來回答 所以主委不曉得嗎我曉得 但是他細節他非常清楚 好 |
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委員你好我想在9月21號的上午我只想要問這兩個數字對還是不對這個第三次的這一個部分是對的現在目前出來的這兩個數字是對的嘛那本期就要問了短短四個小時為什麼數字落差這麼大說真的數字落差這麼大我相信其實不管你要叫地方去做疏散這是非常高非常困難的一件事情那我們提供這個數據的時間跟正確性就很重要了可以簡單說明嗎 |
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我們在三點鐘的時候有召開所有部會的會議然後還有跟縣政府還有跟地方光復慣容還有那個鄉鎮包括鳳林一起開會開視訊然後我們已經決定因為那個李教授你簡單打好不好我們周圍都站起來很簡單打那台大團隊已經把這些東西都已經告訴我們所以我們就跟地方聯絡所以我們畫出了目前這個部分 |
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三個鄉鎮 十二個村 總共一千八百好啦 我想這個有答跟沒答一樣我只有一個期許我覺得像這麼重大一個事件其實未來我們怎麼強化自己更精準的監測那更詳細的數字那效率跟速度我就再把它提升這個是我對國科會的期許 好嗎所以我們會繼續努力 謝謝委員 |