| IVOD_ID |
164479 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164479 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-21T15:48:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-21T16:20:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad817af50721993f74caccb4aef5754fed3e39e9a6cc0a6183c966d97180d5d222361ff6ef9879315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖偉翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:48:58 - 16:20:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境六委員會報告審查行政院函請審議「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」案等案。（10月17日）二、10月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（10月21日）） |
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謝謝主席這個謝謝韓院長請卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢廖委員好院長好院長第一條我想要請教一下最近有一些散兵的事件發生了那不曉得院長有沒有掌握這個事情 |
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早上有委員有提到那律師有曝說刑責差異所以建議今天都去自首就是說有閃兵的狀況想要問一下我們院長的態度是什麼 |
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就對於這件事情的看法也就是說如果他自首了就可以有更低的刑責這個部分請院長回應一下原則上服兵役是國民的義務也是對國家忠誠的表現那國家現在也需要有這樣的訓練讓我們的國防體系能夠強化這個才是重點不在於他犯罪之後的處理是 所以他去自首的話刑責會不會比較低 |
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依照法律 自首都有降低刑責那你也要呼籲他們有這樣的狀況的人盡快去自首吧我要呼籲的是大家要去服兵役的義務而不是呼籲大家去自首本席就是想要問院長的態度而已再來下一題不知道院長有沒有掌握到羅浮宮在大白天遭搶這個事件不曉得院長有沒有掌握 |
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有一點像電影的情節那有掌握嗎 你曉得嗎我沒有很了解他為什麼這樣但這兩天的媒體都有很清楚的報導好 院長我很快速的講基本上他就是有19日發生重大切案4名竊賊 用7分鐘的時間就闖進去阿波羅長廊然後偷走多大量的八件這個完全沒有辦法估計的這種古文物喔所以這件事震驚全球那本席想問 看到這個事件院長你們有沒有什麼做法 |
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有沒有什麼看法我第一個覺得很不可思議這樣的情節過去好像在電視電影上看得到但是我們要反求諸己在我們重要的關鍵基礎設施以及我們重要的類似這樣的這個場合我們要如何加強很怕會有模仿效應出現 |
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所以院長你有沒有想到這件事那你有沒有趕快折成相關的單位包含我們的故宮或是國家級的所有相關的這個館長趕快重新檢視我們的保全夠不夠有沒有演習有沒有什麼有沒有任何的問題 |
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那個委員跟委員報告我們對在院長跟總統的指示之下我們對國家關鍵CI其實都有強加強的那個保護所以許多的警力都已經佈置在那邊而且我們平常就有演習本市長請問這個事件發生之後你們有沒有趕快去了解要怎麼預防 時間暫停故宮博物院院長要不要備詢麻煩請故宮博物院院長備詢 |
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跟委員報告一下這個事情我們得到訊息以後我們就責成我們由副院長召集會議然後模擬可能發生的狀況然後加強整個防護的設備基本上來講的話故宮它的三層設備的話我們一直都是非常正常的運作那包括故宮我們還有一個比較特殊的就是國內博物館沒有我們有警犬隊 |
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院長我想要跟你們報告院長院長次長 |
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這個羅浮宮在遭竊以前據說也有很多人跟他說可能會有問題他們也是相當有自信覺得說這個是全世界最好的博物館他們的保全最佳的最好所以本席要講的事情是看到這個事要迅速的反應之外院長是不是也應該要想辦法去了解羅浮宮到底出了什麼狀況先看別人發生了什麼這個漏洞然後也同時檢視我們有沒有漏洞跟要去演習 |
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這個部分可以嗎因為料敵從寬料敵從嚴這個意思是我們在整個任何事件這樣處理那委員今天的提醒會讓我們再去做全面性的檢討跟強化請院長還有我們故宮的院長 |
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要責成相關單位包含你說警力或者軍方或是相關的可能要牽扯到的相關單位然後重新檢視自己的所謂這個安全層級夠不夠甚至內部的保全人員保全人員量能夠不夠還有哪裡科技有死角以及科技有沒有需要精進的地方 |
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跟委員報告就是我們跟那個館區的轄區然後包括檢調單位我們都是保持密切的聯繫只要任何有風吹草動街道情緒的話我們馬上會啟動緊急應變的一個措施還是要儘速檢討羅浮宮的事情才剛發生要全面儘速檢討因為任何一件館藏任何一件文物遺失我想都不是任何人想看到而且大家也都承擔不起 |
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而且我們在針對五大威脅的國安實際上措施當中對於關鍵基礎設施早就已經在做這樣的工作了我們除了法制措施方案 計畫都會把它完成好 院長 針對羅浮宮事件就先這樣請盡速的這個責成相關單位那是不是一個月內的時間可以給本席辦公室一個相關的檢討報告沒有問題 沒有問題好 謝謝 更快都沒有問題應該更快 謝謝 謝謝院長好 那下一題請李洋理部長 |
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案情運動部長被選好 院長部長 原來部長還在走路因為時間有限的關係這個 |
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部長好部長身為第一任的運動部長又是金牌的運動員出身這個本席是相當的敬佩也是你的粉絲但是我相信你一定關心各類的新興運動的發展那我今天就是很快的一個訴求想要替一個結合科技教育跟運動的新興項目爭取是不是納入我們運動部的管轄 |
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因為現在運動部針對無動力飛行納入管理項目代表政府早已經承認飛行運動的安全性跟競技價值可是有相關的競技內容相似的競技活動像是競技無人機還有無人足球等等這種動力飛行其實它在國際上面就已經是正式的體育項目可是在台灣目前是沒有主管沒有制度沒有方向所以想要問一下部長這部分是不是可以競速納入這是第一個問題 |
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跟委員報告那過往其實在電競、圍棋其實它也都不是我們所泛之的運動那其實在亞運現在也都有了那其實我們運動部的成立也當然會廣納運動的多元性那當然我們會跟進國際的趨勢 |
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對 因為想要跟部長報告的是可能要儘速演繹喔因為我相信這其實是一個結合AI 結合航太科技結合工程教育 結合運動競技的一項競技活動所以三個具體的訴求喔是希望說第一個運動部可不可以這個儘速修訂運動項目分類增列動力飛行項目因為這個國際航空聯盟FAI已經有相關的潛力喔可以有可循的地方喔 |
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第二個是不是請部長支持設立科技運動的相關的類別讓AI的這種體感運動VR運動機器人格鬥都有制度可以隸屬那第三個也要請運動部跟教育部是不是可以合作去研議啟動全國中小學的競技無人機示範賽他也可以跟這個STEM的教育 |
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結合計畫可以讓學生從學習到比賽從實作到創新我想這是我主要的三個訴求因為這個台灣也是少數擁有完整的無人機產業鏈的國家包含晶片馬達碳纖維機的這些自製 |
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那如果可以把這個東西帶進去的話它可能也可以是一個新的國家品牌所以這部分邀請我們李部長是不是回去可以研議這個方向報告 跟委員報告我們待會去研議的好 謝謝部長那拜託再也把這個研議的結果看一個月內是不是給本席辦公室可能因為這比較新興那是不是可以多一點時間可以 那部長你覺得多久的時間看是不是可以三個月好 沒問題謝謝部長謝謝委員 |
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好再來院長這個是我第三個part這個訴求也很重要這也是現在想要先問問院長一下你有沒有點過外送當然有有當然有對不對那你有在下雨天點過嗎 |
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太大的雨會不會有點但太熱的時候也會在小雨的時候點小雨的時候也會有對不對好 院長其實這個外送產業其實已經深入我們的生活其實在所謂粉色系的廠商它在2012登台以來其實在台灣這個產業已經超過12年了2012年到現在已經超過12年了疫情後更是爆發性的成長所以從業人員從5萬變成15萬 |
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報徵的三倍而且這群人裡面可能還有將近一句研究報告有四成到六成可能是完全全職依賴外送這個產業但這群人的權益其實是在法律的灰色地帶那我另外想問一下院長或者部長你們知道單筆的外送費是多少錢嗎單筆的外送費知不知道 |
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你說的是保底的價格對單筆的第一筆是45最新的是45但是其實他大家都不知道因為他有他的演算法會改變所以曾經也發生過他單筆第二筆連續的訂單第二筆降的非常的低這是在今年7月發生的事情對所以我要告訴你們就是說這個問題就是平常講我剛問你你說45塊但我要說的是其實大家都不知道為什麼因為演算法沒有那麼透明 |
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演算法沒有那麼透明勞動部有來報告過這個演算法我們也在檢討說如何讓保障這個外送員的權益所以他們面臨的困境就是包含著這個外送費過低啦然後演算法不透明沒有相關的職業保險的完整性不夠也沒有合理的申訴管道更重要的是外送員跟平台的關係到底是什麼究竟是僱傭呢還是承攬呢 |
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還是說因為新興的這個經濟模式他有新的關係這個其實都還沒有定那再來就是我們是不是應該參考歐美的模式比如說歐洲的模式走出新的一條道路所以這個我們要盡速的來討論修法的方向 |
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不然現在的結果就是怎麼樣每一天有32個交通事故他們可能面臨每一天32個以上的交通事故沒有完整的保障那他的這個惡劣的環境呢其實他們也非常的辛苦喔在這個情況之下還可能演算法不透明也因此被演算法霸凌都有可能所以我們希望有相關的立法方向第一個 明定最低的外送費的保障 |
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第二個是要有一個公開透明的演算法的這個演算法的機制以及制度化的申訴機制因為他們如果突然被停工他也就是突然就不能工作了那第四個是加強相關的職業保險第五個我們當然也希望讓這個產業可以長長久久所以我們希望平衡平台外送員商家跟消費者之間的權利義務所以院長這幾個方向請問您是不是支持謝謝委員提出幾個重點我也知道 |
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現在大院裡面也正在討論這個事情那其實行政院從過去一段時間就一直在注意整個外送員的基本的權利所以我們也請交通部跟勞動部就 |
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因為我這個難得可以直接質詢到你我相信很多細節未來我們可以在各個委員會跟兩位部長討論可是本席只是要一個態度啦要院長一個態度啦因為其實已經拖很久大家都是中央以前在修法的過程中中央就是各個單位不想當主責機關可是我要跟院長報告今天早上本席開了記者會 |
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那今天早上民進黨團也開了記者會也表明支持所以難得立法院這個藍綠白大家都支持雖然現在還沒有民進黨團的版本可是已經有多位國民黨的委員版本以及民眾黨的版本那現在民進黨有版本的還沒送進來所以代表三方都同意了雖然說過去完全執政應該可以匆匆容容就可以立法 |
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但是現在匆匆忙忙的補上來沒關係大家一起努力所以希望本席這裡希望說院長也可以好好支持然後很多細節我們未來可以討論但是想要先看院長的態度是否支持這樣的修法我們現在有一個指引就是整個行為有一個勞動部有一個指引那這個指引的內容我們如果要證明它法制化的話 |
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他必須要充充分分的而且要方方面面都要達到當然 我們當然也希望 勞動部正在做這樣的努力工作我們希望好好討論因為之前的指引其實有很多市政府有地方的自治法規可是他遇到問題就是因為沒有上位的法沒有母法甚至到憲法的制度之後他可能在法院打官司講不清楚所以這就是為什麼現在我們要趕緊立法所以希望說我們大家可以一起來努力來增進產業好不好 謝謝 |
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跟委員報告其實對於外送員跟相關權益的法制化其實這幾個月我們一直在研議那剛剛委員在講的幾個問題我們也都覺得是可以有把它法制化的空間所以我們也對於立法法制化這件事情持更開放的態度我們也很願意接下來在立法院跟朝野的委員一起來做討論好好討論跟審議因為這是可以朝野一起合作 |
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謝謝部長也謝謝院長這個很正面的態度所以我們一起來努力我們希望盡速推動這個修法然後完善平台以及完善這個尤其是外送從業人員的權益那還有各方面的利益的平衡這個是我們大家共同的努力好謝謝 謝謝兩位部長請回好 謝謝兩位部長請回再來院長想要請問一下落實居住正義是政府最重要的政策之一這句話是誰說的 |
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歷屆的總統都說過這樣的話很好所以這是完全的自據這是2023年的時候選總統的賴清德總統講的那院長我也想請教一下您對於賴總統對於居住正義承諾有哪些您懂不懂我們有百萬租屋計畫是 |
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好 除了百萬租屋計畫之外其實還有包括你沒有講嘛推動囤房稅2.0嘛 對不對然後2023年要累積新辦25萬戶的社會住宅對不對這直接新辦喔還有25萬戶包租貸款50萬戶租金補貼嘛好所以所以顯而易見喔 |
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實踐這個居住正義除了是總統院長的責任也是民意對於這個東西的嚮往對於居住正義的嚮往所以現在才有很多年輕人為了買房很痛苦那我也相信院長大家都願意大刀闊斧的來推動來誠實面對國人對不對那所以包含過去的這個居住正義三支箭 |
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社宅 實價登錄就是租屋補貼實價登錄以及新清安貸款的居住正義三件是不是都是過去的重要的政策那我們今天要來討論這件事就是希望務實的來看待這個成果所以我想要請教院長的第一件事情是賴清德承諾達到社會住宅25萬戶在2032年請問賴總統上任後至今規劃且核定的社會住宅數量是多少戶 |
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數量請報告委員我們目前在今年度我們已經合訂了1170戶你說從賴總統那裡合訂的1100多戶很好但是我跟你說遠遠不夠你們目前為止這個是完全的落後 |
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跟委員報告我們因為是要採新辦所以我們包括說多元的方式包括都跟分會等等我知道可以有很多理由很多藉口可是我們直接看KPI就是差蠻遠的你到2032年你要蓋你要多蓋這麼多萬戶25萬戶總共要累積到25萬戶其實是差蠻多的 |
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所以我想要跟你們說兩點跟委員報告過去的12萬戶他數量已經增加到一定程度所以可用的土地大概用的比較多了目前我們採多元的方式用不同的管道跟民間合作或是隆基的取回院長我剛剛前面就講過我們要針對不同包含社宅各個方方面面我們一起來檢視一下成績那我認為說其實目前的這個進度就是不夠好平坦講院長我不相信你這樣是很滿意的成果 |
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以涉宅興建的部分所以我們為了加快我們有多元的方式還是你要告訴我你很滿意沒有 我們要跟委員報告就是說院長所指涉的多元的方式其實就包括說我們在直接興辦的部分我們包括會與民間合作我們包括會與地方政府合作採用相關的分回的方式來處理就是說相關的興辦不會只有直接興建這件事情還有其他的興辦的方式不好意思 我們一個一個來檢視成果 |
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所以剛剛有講到現在的這個總數量其實已完工了以中央來講其實是7400多戶啦7400多戶當然還有一些準備要做的可是我想要講的事情是原定那我再繼續問一下吧原定今年將發包1.5萬戶的社宅目前是發包多少你剛剛說絕標1000多戶對不對 |
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但是以前上次 之前的內政部長說每一年都計畫發包1.5萬戶啊你這樣完成率大概只有10% 11%欸所以你剛剛講的這麼多我們只是想要務實理性的面對就是目前這塊來不及跟上 也做不好 |
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我們包括都跟分回的部分其實也有7000多戶然後再來就是說相關的發包的作業我們其實正在進行因為土地的取得的確比較困難所以我們要再跟地方政府合作目前我們透過區段徵收等等有一些分回的土地地方政府也很願意跟我們配合所以相關的都跟分回的土地或者是區段徵收分回的土地問題是你們現在決定到什麼時候幾戶現在可不可以講得出來我們到年底之前我們會盡量完成相關的發包 |
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盡量完成相關發包 你預計幾戶我們就是在一萬五千戶的這樣子的一個目標下我們繼續努力所以你現在一千多戶 然後你到年底要可以發包一萬五千戶啊你現在到年底差我們已經有分為七千多戶的都更戶都更分回 |
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我想要告訴你是社宅這一塊喔其實真的是不如人民的預期結果也不夠所以你才會想說我要用多元的方式去做可是事實上你們過去承諾是直接興建社宅數據就是不夠好那再來我請教一下院長喔新清安貸款的全名是什麼新清安貸款的全名是什麼你曉得嗎全名全部的名稱就是 |
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1190.675 |
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協助青年沒關係我院長跟你說叫做青年安心成家購屋優惠貸款精進方案好那我想要請問一下院長你心目中的青年是幾歲到幾歲我知道青青是沒有年齡限制對那你心目中的青年幾歲到幾歲 |
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我覺得現在大概40歲以下都是青山會的會員很好 你說40歲以下嘛那你知道40歲以上還申請新青安的戶數有幾戶嗎因為青青安本身它沒有這個所謂年齡的基本限制好 它整整34765戶 40歲以上那50歲以上有幾戶你們不知道嘛 對不對6765戶 60歲以上有幾戶 |
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1227.288 |
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867戶所以剛剛我院長你說60這樣子聽起來你會不會覺得新清安這名字很奇怪應該把青年拿掉吧如果你沒有限定的話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
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當時的清安貸款其實基本上包括進進方案就是針對就是說有需要居住的人他的居住需求那他可以來申請所以我們基本上是以年輕人為主但是他有居住需求的他也可以來申請另外院長我想要請教一下那你只要年收入超過200萬以上申請新清安的戶數是多少嗎 |
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兩百萬以上的現在看到的數據是一萬八千六百多戶三百萬以上是六千七百多戶四百萬以上是三千零七十一戶所以我想要表達的事情是他都有一個共同的要件他必須首購而且自用你首購是一個啦但是當然因為憑良心講你這個貸款的量有限嘛你的這個預算和你幫忙的量也有限嘛所以我想要問的事情是那這樣子真的有用到刀口上嗎 |
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還是造成的效果是什麼如果是首購的話表示他原來不是自己有一個房屋他可能是租屋可能是一斤等等那如果首購他至少能夠自己用自己的力量來買到一個房子我只是要跟你探討說這樣子的是不是真的有用到倒口上 |
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1301.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1324.114 |
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所以我想要問一下說行政院也推出新清安帶得到的方案那你們宣布自今年9月1號起將新清安排除在銀行法72條之2那不動產的比例在限制之外想要請問一下那到這個到底是管制到什麼時候是到結束日期是到什麼時候有設定嗎還是說就等到新清安整個結束我們是希望在這整個貸款的額度比較 |
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1342.263 |
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接近滿水位的過程底下它警洩線套達的時候做一點管制將來如果我們能夠取回更多的現在的其他的代管能夠取回更多的話那這個空間能夠下降的話那可以再請金管會來共同研商院長我想要說的事情是其實資源都有限嘛 |
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1366.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
我們今天之所以討論然後講了這麼多數據就是要提醒資源有沒有用在刀口上這樣的資格或是相關的事情是不是要好好想一下說到底應該怎麼使用所以這是我想要講的這個點那新清安就到這裡因為時間有限我其實後面想要表達蠻多的我補充一個數字我們百分之新清安貸款有99%左右是用在就是說它是第一次首購組 |
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所以基本上他還是合理的使用在這些青年或者是需要購房子的首購處裡面所以他並沒有大部分拿去投資炒作後面這句話我沒有這樣指控你喔我沒有這樣指控你喔為什麼那些年輕人的所得當然是他要買的房子跟他的所得之間是有關係的啊他的所得如果不夠他也沒有辦法去帶到合理的環境啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
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你也可以去市場上問一問這個我相信多次的質詢都已經點出這個問題這個是不用辯駁的新青安下去之後是讓房價是越來越高的這是絕對的這個現實的狀況就是這樣那你有真的達到你當初想要推動所謂的居住正義完整的方案然後讓年輕人真的可以有享有到居住正義嗎這是今天我提出這個相關數據的一個問題那下一個要檢討的地方就是所謂的租金補貼施加登錄 |
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租金補貼實價登錄之前就講過你們透過租金補貼其實短期很好我們當然是紓解這些青年需要這個弱勢租金的壓力但是中企是希望可以誘導房東登錄可以登錄可以報稅再來就是希望建立完整的租金實價登錄的資料庫 |
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那我們才可以形成所謂這個市場的秩序跟價格透明這就是租屋市場我們希望達到的一個政策目標可是上次我其實在一年多前我總諮詢的時候就有說你們補貼的戶數是將近60萬戶可是真正有登錄的只有10萬戶所以等於相對來講就是有這個黑數50萬戶那到了今年我有去看了成長了很不錯成長了變成16萬戶可是還有多少萬戶還是有30幾萬戶是黑數 |
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還是有39萬護士回溯是不是這樣子要跟委員報告實價登錄的部分租金實價登錄的部分首先包租代管的業者他是必須一定要登錄這是由包租代管來處理至於其他的部分因為個人房東的部分佔了89%那麼許多的租金的補貼為什麼我們沒辦法做我們其實行政院 |
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我們在那個每一年都會公佈兩次的租金區域的分佈狀況但是事實就是事實沒有達到政策目標或是不夠好我們就誠實面對然後我們來想辦法一起來改進我們會進行相關的租金的公佈但是租金的公佈要涉及到一個東西是他的租金的實價登錄會涉及到每一個屋型每一個房型每一個房東投入的狀況不同區段的不同 |
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所以你做租金實價登錄其實反而會影響的租金市場跟租屋市場的影響同一棟樓的兩間房子他不一定是同樣的狀況同樣的現在還有很多的相關的問題我們現在沒有要一一細節猜下去猜下去講不完反而會造成租金的上漲 |
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所以我們希望說透過市長那我就想問啦如果你今天做了這件事情你覺得自愛難行有很多的問題的時候你一直補一堆錢進去那他是不是早知越來越糟糕的惡性循環呢所以我們會透過租金的區域的公佈租金的實價的區域的公佈我們其實都有在公佈我們每一年的那個開學前的那兩次院長不好意思 市長我們其實剛剛講了我們是針對每一件事情我拆開來告訴你們你們現在的成果 |
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就是不打標那我們大家前面我也開頭講我相信院長願意誠實面對現在的數字我們來一起想辦法一起來努力看怎麼解決當然要檢討該檢討的做不好就是要去檢討但是今天之所以講了這幾個方面也就是想要跟你們說目前看起來你們做的這些事情 |
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做下去之後成效還是很糟糕所謂很糟糕就是居住正義還是越來越高像南比爾公布的數據房價所得比19.6那代表是年輕人要不吃不喝20年才買得起房子當然他這可能是針對都會區但是當然內政部公布全台灣也是10點多等於是不吃不喝10年才買得起市區一點的都16 17 18 19這個是一個很嚴重的狀況所以簡單來講現在 |
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房屋買不起租屋租不好設宅等不到嘛對不對所以我要講的事情是設宅基本上現在看起來剛剛的數據就是供給緩慢杯水車薪再來租金補貼就是落入這個黑洞的善意嘛有很多錢進去了也有聽過那個屋主說好3000塊一人一半 |
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租金跟房客之間的權益關係要把它明確化 |
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導致我們遇到的危機就還是持續的上升那今天本席想要說的事情是如果居住正義三支線的效能受到質疑了我們有沒有第四條路徑可以來做呢會不會來做呢所以我想要本席想要在這裡就是想要大膽的建議一下我覺得 |
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我想要問一下院長我們可不可以想像給年輕人給年輕人在捷運站附近買得到一坪將近成本價也就是一坪可能20到25萬的房子 |
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我們的捷運站附近有租金的一些特別的補助方式那剛剛委員所說的我們剛剛幾個政策資金下來就是一直在把它優化所以院長我今天要特別的打開第四條道路剛剛講的是說先面對現在的狀況可是看起來它的惡性循環就在發生我們要有新的結構可能要有新的東西來加入所以本席想要大膽的建議一個政策建議您可以回去研究一下可負擔宅 |
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半永久性的可負擔宅也就是說我們希望參考其實有一些國際案例包含新加坡的主屋包含新加坡的主屋所以我們希望說在一個限定的市場裡面也就是說封閉的市場裡面嚴格限制買賣資格讓政府來打造一個封閉市場 |
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這個預防投機客炒作然後我們可以透過結合TOD的方式也就是捷運線附近的可以給政府的增額容積獎勵的部分政府可以拿出來做這種所謂的封閉市場的半永久性的可負擔宅我舉個例子可能是99年 |
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可能是99年然後你要限制他買賣的金額比如說你就只能夠用一定的公式你就只能夠用一定的公式所以基本上成功比較成功的案例我們可以參考的像是新加坡主屋他有嚴格的申請資格的審查 |
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譬如說你一定是居民不用講那你可能要結婚結婚有多少點數小孩有多少點數然後再來你第一手買進來之後第二手嚴格限制他的轉售的條件也就是說你五年後才可以轉可是你轉的人也是必須讓政府來審核你一定要符合相對的條件你才可以來申請這個轉售然後第三個封閉市場也可以防止他暴力的政府和那個生產 |
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所以我們想要說的事情是一個使用權的可負擔宅的模式搭配上TOD讓政府把他們的土地像現在蓋設宅一樣有部分的容積拿出來打造這樣子的一個市場一個多元性的選擇一個中間型的住宅我相信這個是一個可以做到的事情 |
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所以這有幾個好處土地 國有 房屋常用然後它的價格會跟成本掛鉤它不會跟市場掛鉤然後封閉的市場它可以拒絕炒作再來它有一個永續的公共資產它也可以隨著TOD的城市發展去做開發然後讓這些人可以享有這樣子的房子而且它長期居住不會感覺到 |
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我時間到了 社宅六年到了 八年到了我又要回去租屋市場我們的地上選宅 使用選宅都有這樣的類似概念我知道委員長發言我們的青年婚育宅本來就是12年我們就是希望讓這12年還不夠我剛剛講了新加坡的這個參考本席想要 |
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好 謝謝 |