| IVOD_ID |
164476 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164476 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-21T14:30:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-21T15:01:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad817af50721993fd4d0447aa515ad73ed3e39e9a6cc0a6183c966d97180d5d2f3ee4f7ce62287085ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:30:51 - 15:01:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境六委員會報告審查行政院函請審議「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」案等案。（10月17日）二、10月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（10月21日）） |
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老師好 院長好 我們有請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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我還是稱邱委員好院長好我想請教一下我們苗栗的自來水普及率只有87.6%比全國平均95.5%低了快8個百分點 |
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我們蔡英文政府在2017年也就是在自來水普及率93.1%的時候明確定下目標就是希望2024年能夠達到95%那KPI設得很清楚所以從106年到110年全國普及率升了1.2個百分點平均一年成長0.3 |
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那蔡政府的這個95%的目標4年就達成了那我想請問一下我們賴清德政府他有定下這個目標嗎我們未來有5年有計畫用200億5年的計畫200億希望把我們的這個那有沒有算過多少個百分點要提升多少 |
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好像不到10個百分點一般委員因為苗栗它山區是比較多偏遠地區比較多所以施桌上會稍微困難但是我們會加大力道本來新的第五期本來就會加強比較偏遠地區的就是額度 |
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我幫你這個粗算了一下苗栗會從80%未來5年如果我們投入的將近80%更高到87%有大概7個鄉鎮自來水普及率低於70%那有兩個鄉鎮其實就是我們部長講的就是我們斯坦跟泰安都兩個斯坦只有3.39% |
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那泰安只有2.27那當然是因為它是山區啦所以這個部分當然我不能這樣拿來比較我這樣大概算了一下6萬戶每戶大概2.4萬人大概14.4萬人全國人口數總共是2430萬從普及率95.81%算起 |
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就算是全部結商5年最多只能變成96.4%5年106億 提200億大概提升到0.6到0.8%左右省紀不知要說按照現在的速度要248年大家才有自來水可以用我們沒有一個具體的目標嗎保安委員 所以因為在比較偏但是我們這個200億裡面的確有它的分配比如說 |
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原住民地區它就會分配有一定的額度不會說金額會被其他的挪用走那是第一個第二個就是說因為你還是要如果要完全的接自來水管的話有時候會有它的困難那個時間也會拉長 |
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但是我們會趕快用至少這個檢疫自來水可以我知道卓院長上任之後他在去年我們這個整個有調過本來是每戶60萬提高到80萬那水庫周邊面100萬這個我謝謝院長 |
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但是我發現這樣速度還是很慢而且我看到數據非常奇怪提升自來水普及率照理來說應該要越來越高可是數據非常奇怪我們賴總統上任之後自來水普及率不增反減這是什麼原因從113年的6月95.81%起掉到114年的6月剩下95.55%為什麼會這樣這是你們給我的數據 |
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我們是持續的在增加越到後端啦 它這個速度會越慢因為施工 它為什麼會減少呢那普及率為什麼會減少照理是人口成長才會減少嗎我們分母沒變大啊那為什麼這個數字是變小的呢這個數字我們再查證一下我猜到可能是統計不一樣啦 |
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就是你們統計的方式不一樣統計的基礎可能會有落差還是你們換了方式在做計算但是苗栗的這個是一定的基準就像您剛才提到的從80現在變成87我們會持續的往上我希望這樣有一些地方當然它山區說實在要完全把管線牽完城確實不容易而且成本非常大但是有一些人口密集的部分還請我們這邊 |
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行政院這邊多多幫忙所以剛剛委員也特別提到了我們把我們的那個比較偏遠地方的那個金額調高了最上限調高了那就至少可以把它 |
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地方上的事情我們會來協助可能中間要牽扯到加壓站什麼的然後後期的維護管理我會協調各鄉鎮市公所來協助另外再一樣還是同樣水的問題就明德水庫這一座水庫一直負責苗栗市跟頭屋鄉的自來水供應每天大概供應1.8萬噸民生用水 |
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大概有1.6萬戶居民使用但是近年來民人水庫的角色其實在改變了中生政策也非常明確要朝觀光休息使用來轉型 |
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那像海棠島的這個發展水上的休息區還有環湖步道這個自行車步道有的在施工那未來還要結合在地的這個旅遊還有農業的灌溉那這樣的轉型其實我們都樂見因為其實它的水質本來就不好但是我也要考慮一個問題那民生用水怎麼辦現在是苗栗市跟投屋鄉的鄉親在使用這個水 |
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那我知道我們鯉魚灘水庫在這個南水北宋工程在明年底會全數這個全線完成那有沒有可能有沒有可能這個時候如果它通水的時候給我們苗栗市跟投物鄉的這個鄉民來使用 |
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經濟部有一個更長遠的一個構想跟計畫部長來答問我想那個民生水庫可能民生用水這個部分我們還是希望可以保留啦因為民生用水還是比較重要第二個就是說我們也知道說縣政府已經針對那個天花湖的部分已經有在對 天花湖水庫我們如果天花湖蓋好以後我想那個民生水庫轉型我們再重新調配可是那沒那麼快啊 對不對 |
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這個如果其實這個如果接應該不難啦它管線就已經有了嘛大條管線都有啦南水北送其實難度應該不大 |
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對 但是我們還是希望明德水棍還是我為什麼要這樣講就是我們每天我算過就是我們那個工程送上去每年每天大概可以供應20萬噸的用水那目前其實我們使用率加苗栗頭顧地區只有1.8萬公噸那在未來其實它還有很大的空間可以使用在短期之內主要是平常都沒有問題但是我們很怕 |
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我們現階段只使用5.5萬噸再加上1.8其實還好極端氣候常常會有枯水或者是等等一些情況那這樣啦好不好當然啦就是說在平常在管線接嘛對不對那萬一真的有碰到這個時候我們還可以用明熱水庫的水仙來做這個應急嘛 |
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不然這個部分我們在有一個規劃以後再跟委員報告一下看看怎麼樣的情況但是我們還是希望就是說民生水庫在短期之內民生用水的它功能或調配的功能還是有它的存在性 |
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我知道我沒有叫你廢掉啦我沒有叫你廢掉只是說我為什麼要這樣講就是明德水庫現在是環境部列出全台高度優氧化的水而且這個水質早就被點名是最差等級了苗栗市民跟頭湖鄉的鄉親還在使用這個水苗栗水庫是水庫大縣會把它轉為比較是調度使用的這個在比較極端氣候的時候我想這個沒有理由讓我們繼續喝這個水吧 |
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因為我沒有叫你現在說一定因為是你有南水北送所以我才提這個意見今天如果沒有那當然這個工程太大可是今天有這個管線我們回去再來協助好不好好的好的另外我們今天天花湖水庫2013年就通過平建如果更長期天花湖水庫蓋好大概就沒有問題了就整個可以 |
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報告委員在明德水庫還在供應民生用水的時候我也要求經濟部跟台水確保這個明德水庫的水質是在我們一定可控安全的情況底下才能這樣做這個一定會達到我兩個都考慮一下啦好不好另外還有就是說我們天灣湖水庫213年就通過環評 |
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主要還是地方政府如果說他的意見真的已經溝通好的話你們預算編了嗎 今年會編嗎 有編嗎 |
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工程款還沒有變你還要徵收耶現在土地取得還有很多的評估我們再跟苗栗縣政府確定一下如果真的是沒有問題我記得開了三場的地方說明會啦已經開了三場啦所以地方上的聲音好像大家都不會像上次這樣 |
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如果地方都贊成的話合力來開發如果合力來開發的話我們盡快蓋好之後是對我們整個科技產業的非常重要的一個環節然後我再請教就是我們副總統蕭美琴在接受加拿大媒體專訪說我們承諾在美國投資不只是台積電還有整個生態系都要過去就是從供應商到設計商甚至其他晶片製造公司 |
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那我想請問這具整個生態系是不是意味著台灣未來不只台積電赴美連中油林組件還有我們上油材料IC設計甚至封窗測試業者都要過去事實上包委員台灣的這個在台灣的半導體的生態體系基本上我們的設備跟材料也是國外提供的 |
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這是我們未來執政的方向嗎沒有 比如說來講美國硬材它本來就是在美國所以它在美國供應給台灣的台積電美國的台積電在當地的你們不擔心我們台灣的整個整個這個東西都掏空跑到美國去那我們台灣怎麼辦呢美國硬材它不用從台灣的公司搬東西去美國因為它美國本來它就是在我們的人才過不過去 |
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人才來講的話 我們是第一批去如果他settle down以後 這些人才是要回來的我希望這樣子啦 還是要以台灣為主你們不要以為不要多把台灣整個最寶貴的東西拉到美國去那台灣到時候什麼都沒有我們怎麼跟下一代交代不會 不會 立足台灣好不好 那再問 就是說桃竹苗大矽谷推動計畫到底有沒有要做 |
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理論上是在推動 怎麼推動你們在國內說要打造然後發展AI要留住產業 培養人才可是在國際場合又說要整個這個生態系要赴美陶鑄苗大細股是我們在六大產業生活區當中 |
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速度跑最快的經濟部也在推動裡面的太空相關的產業衛福部也在推動關於生意的產業另外速發部跟經濟部也在推動深層式AI的應用產業這個都已經初步在規劃了現在就是還有包括竹南還有投奮跟厚隆三個科學園區 |
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目前還要把他的這個土地用地等等還要做跟地方政府還要做一些溝通還要做一些努力包括他的都市計劃變更所以現在是以國發會來統籌是嗎報告委員其實那個桃豬苗大細股是要中央跟地方共同合作所以我們國發會成立一個桃豬苗大細股的 |
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協調的這個平台那我們會根據地方的這些提案然後我們找到權責單位我們扮演溝通協調的角色這個方案基本上是在六大區域產業生活圈裡面當然我們中央跟地方一定會全力推動好 我當然看到你有這樣回答我是很高興因為我看不到你的施政重點裡面哪一頁 哪一條 哪一個項目有出現桃園 桃竹苗大溪谷計畫的這個六個字都沒有看到 |
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六大區域產業生活圈裡面都有提到桃竹苗大細股那將來他還有很多包括剛剛你說的鯉魚潭這個是用水的配套還有交通的配套也有羊頭段的交通配套羊奶也會做另外銅鑼的一個設置再生能源的一個中心國科會也是在規劃當中這個都是很多的配套當中比較屬於重要的一部分所以有沒有針對這個計畫編對然後有沒有編對這個預算有沒有編列預算 |
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我們在整個六大產業生活區當中我們編列了將近兩千九百億那些本來是外圍嘛對不對有沒有針對這個計畫來做沒有沒有看到啊我們可以另外提醒因為在審查預算的過程裡面如果有詳細的詢問未來在真的審查的時候這個中間有開過會嗎有開過幾次 |
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幾次喔 很多次大大小小各種六大產業生活區我們都一直持續的開會那現在整個都已經核定了這個桃樹苗大溪谷是其中跑最快的速度最快的因為我知道這個其實鯉魚潭水庫包含鯉魚潭水庫沿管工程他是從民國九十幾年就規劃了 |
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那國道也是啦國道也是111年才合訂的所以我認為這個大溪谷計畫這些周邊當然它都是有相關聯沒錯但是我要講的是說這個部分本來在還沒有大溪谷計畫之前就已經在計畫在做了我有希望更明確的就是說把這個大溪谷計畫放在我們的整個計畫裡面讓我們可以去做追蹤然後當然我們也希望能夠盡快看到一個成果 |
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當然地方要配合我們會全力配合六大產業生活區他是一個產業生活的結合但為了要支撐這個我們有152項以上的地方建設其中都涵蓋剛剛委員講的這個都包含在內這個才能夠讓他的各種生活機能跟交通建設跟產業需求能夠符合他的要求才能夠趁著這個六大區域能夠同時發展 |
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好 謝謝院長那我再挑過一個下一個問題就是我們苗栗縣有一個這個義捷公車停駛那前幾天發生了一件事情就是新竹客運在9月15日停駛苗栗縣公館路線公館還有大湖路線那然後 |
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義捷科技公司接棒帶駛了12條客運線但是前幾天因為現在實在大環境很困難突然無預警的停駛當然我也謝謝我們交通部新竹區建立所有出面來做協調但這個問題還是存在我是希望說這個部分我們是不是有必要要檢討檢討我們中央補貼公車路線的 |
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經費有沒有希望能夠往上調一點好 報告委員我們對於這個路線的補貼目前匡列了3580萬那目前的運作其實都還正常只不過這間公司確實它在財務的調度上面確實是有問題那我們現在有幾個預防的方式第一個就是說我們會介入跟了解它發薪水的整個金流的狀況如果有狀況我們會隨時預警這第一點 |
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第二點我們也會跟司機也就是駕駛員的這個群組大家來組一個群組如果駕駛有反映到這樣的問題我們會馬上出面來接手那第三個就是說如果真的有這種預警性的有可能會停駛的時候 |
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我們有協調了金牌客運還有苗栗客運在它停止的時候有人可以接手那是目前我們處理的方式但根本溯源來講的話最重要是這個公司要能夠正常運作正常營運所以我們也會看它的營運的狀況23號有約 有召開協調會那幾部裡面再派人過來 |
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另外其實我會講這個事情是五天前他停死那前兩天晚上我們突然看到他又公告又公告 自行公告又要停死當然我們馬上介入才沒有發生所以我想這個問題還是要因為我們牽扯到很多老人家年長者跟一些要上班族他們確實就只能靠公車來上下班所以這個還請部長這邊來多多協助這個我們會來注意 隨時注意謝謝 |
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另外我再請教院長關於能源的部分我想確認一件事情我們賴行哲總統說2030年要投入9000億推動淨零轉型請問這跟蔡政府2022年推動的2050年淨零轉型行動方案是一樣的嗎當中有很多的關鍵的一些技術的建設以及六大部門的整個延續性的工作當然是階段性在進行的 |
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對 我當然 政策當然要延續啦當然 偷換概念就不行啦你們這個政府的最大問題就是我又有時候聽不太清楚你們講什麼那既然錢都花了 計畫也不是新的那理論上賴總統對外應該要告訴大家做了什麼 成果在哪裡啊而不像現在這樣子 然後一開口動不動就要幾千億我們真的不知道這些錢要用在哪裡然後 面對氣候變遷 沒有人是舉外人啦我希望 |
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不要把這個事情然後搞到變成每一個人都是受害的報告委員不會啦因為我們是講說這個投入投入的這個額度那比如說像離岸豐電來講的話事實上一個豐廠就要一千億的台幣所以就是說只要這個綠能產業我們持續的推動的話那會創造出還有電動車的推動就會產生出這樣的一個效果出來 |
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我跟你講大概2023年全國排碳量是27800萬噸2024年排碳升到32100萬噸多了5000萬噸所以我們的政府花了那麼多錢在淨零碳排氣越來越高這個是不是有搞錯方向 |
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報告委員那個碳排是明顯的下降2023年跟2005年相比減了4.64所以我們持續在往下走你往下 我要往後比啊你2024年為什麼高勒2024目前來看我們預期是往下降而且持續在往下走當中今年確定會比去年低 |
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2023年的碳排2022年底你們說減碳有成那為什麼會比較高你說這個數據是你後面再拿給我好嗎我們其實在氣候變遷對策委員會裡面都有特別提到都有公布這個數字我就是抓那上面的資料所以看到他是提高的沒有明顯的從過去這幾年顯著的一個下降目前最新的一筆是2023年 |
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審計部報告說的很清楚台電虧損的主要原因就是外購綠電支出暴增三年內從588億增加到1193億那今年台電購電價格風電每度是6.7光電5.3那這樣買電的話 院長這樣是不是會越來越虧那台電怎麼負擔得了初期的成本當然是要計算比較高一點那會它隨著它的賺收會越來越下降 |
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對 現在的綠電他們已經大部分很多都不透過台電賣了因為他們的價錢比較好是自己供應給需求方他直接供應 線路用誰的線路還是用管電線還是用台電啊台電還是要負責維運還是要維護啊台電只是收那個過路費而已真正的價格 他有收過路費嗎對 有收 |
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就是他看他的那個距離就是說應用的距離比如說來講某一家公司他買的是假設講台積電他去購買了一個風場然後他算他的距離過路費是多少他收這個但是實際的價格就變成是台積電跟這個風場他們自己去談 |
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價錢他們自己去談所以我們都沒介入啊我們不會去干涉因為是民間的我看到我們光電的這個你們現在要推這個光儲這個結合的政策嘛對不對光儲結合那現在光電的收購制度有兩種第一種沒有儲能系統的這個台電這個購價大概是5.43元那第二種有儲能系統的是由能源署開標得標在 |
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1343.185 |
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要求台電用保證收購價去跟業者購買這樣是嗎除能的就是說我們事實上是鼓勵這個發電業者他有除能設施啦那這樣的話可以讓這個那除能你跟除能店買多少錢呢如果是除能電廠除能電廠我們沒有跟他用我看到得標是最美度電是9.59元不是 |
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委員可能講的是那個需求的時候那個時候是淨價的時候對 他們最高價是9.59元那個是需量淨價非常短的時間裡面緊急調度用那至於就是說我們現在是111年就飆了欸111年就飆了 |
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這一家是哪一家公司你知道嗎就是我們雲豹能源北門光處合一廠 暗廠那是全台最早一批光處結合示範廠你們要推很快他們早就做好了就很巧他的子公司富仁資本在111年那一場競標標到了目前最高價是9.5多 |
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我以這個比例來算如果以這個保證收費下去買電比一般光電是5.43元高出一倍台電自己發電成本高出三倍台電繼續虧損狀況之下我們還要再漲幾次電到時候把資料給我好不好 |
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那個可能在序量競價在短時間內要緊急調度使用那絕不是長期的合約也把那個你們這個合約未來會簽約嗎假如說這種部分會簽約嗎 |
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會跟廠商簽約嗎那一簽有沒有限定說一次一定多少年沒有我跟委員報告這個短縮價格基本上他是逐年下降所以不會出現說9塊多的這些狀況我是說你的合約呢合約會不會用綁約一綁10年20年合約 |
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等於台電就是要虧20年跟委員報告 現在說老實話需要綠電的人越來越高了所以非常有可能會超過五塊六塊然後他們就會跟台電分手你會後再給我資料 |
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謝謝另外院長我再請教關稅的問題就是我們現在掌握大家的訊息都停留在20%加N那個階段請問你的具體內容稅率範圍談判進度每次問都答不出來 |
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川普宣布關稅之後我們看到你們對美方的加碼採購投資承諾一項接一項所以我想問的更直接一點這些加碼採購的投資是不是拿來跟川普政府交換條件 |
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加碼採購跟投資採購是基於我國的各項需求我們去對外國政府做一些採購外國的民間做採購這個一方面國家的需求一方面我們財政的能力至於投資在主要的部分是產業自主性的投資比較多政府沒有辦法指揮產業你要去哪裡投資多少錢投資什麼產業但是產業如果有這種全球性的佈局 |
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政府協助他來做一些行政以及金融保證的這個方面我們是可以做的所以我們在關稅上我們有跟美國這邊談的我們條件會比別人好嗎我們現在提出的就是台灣模式會長委員也聽過 |
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產業自主去投資政府用金融支持來保證那雙方政府政府之間來談合作合作什麼產業聚落那這個產業聚落形成需要美方在很多資源土地跟行政作業上給我們協助那這個產業的聚落未來就形成一個園區來幫助雙方的業者共同的發展因為各位看到了我們也希望這個二等關稅的部分現在是暫時性的是20我們希望可以往下降 |
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對 我不希望我希望你們是去談判的啦我希望我們的代表團是去談判的不是去美國接任務好嗎 可以嗎我們是美國去完成國家給他的任務不是去美國接任務是去美國接美國的任務啦不是不是 完成國家賦予他的任務我很擔心這樣子 把台灣都賣了我們會談得很好的第二回合好 那我再問喔產業對投資4000億美元正確嗎產業 |
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對不起要對美投資4000億美元這件事現在雙方談到的技術性協商當中當然有很多的方案提出的想法但目前還沒有做哪一部分具體說當雙方 院長剛剛講說是我們業者自主那我看到郭智恆前部長說要再加碼2000億美元這是真的還假的 |
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那看業者有沒有這種投資的計畫所以他是幫業者講話囉主要是業者他有這樣的意願有這樣的全球佈局的需求那我們來協助他所以我們當然也做過一些盤點來支持這樣的產業有這樣的佈局 |
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另外還有我們農業部陳部長不是簽了要買100億美元的農產品嗎那不是農業部那是業者自己去的那我就很好奇就是說我們這四年要買超過100億美元的黃豆 玉米 小麥 牛肉比過去平均值真的25%那我們賴總統他在接見美國農業部 |
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貿易及對外事業部次長林德伯格宣布了台灣業規劃未來四年採購100億的美國農產品是同一件事嗎 |
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我跟委員報告這個114年100億美元的一個採購是由業者因為他們的平均的一個需求而去購買的這第一個第二個部分就是提高25%它的計算基準是113年比113年提高了25%但是以過去5年的平均的話大致上還是落在過去5年的一個購買的一個平均水準 |
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因為我看到賴總統還強調說這是提升糧食安全的戰略合作 |
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他有基於我們進口所需要的也有消費的習慣還有我們這個畜牧業所需要一些肥料之後那部長為什麼又說我又覺得很奇怪啊如果這是本來就有的部長為什麼又說這樣的承諾有助於台美關稅的談判如果只是業者生意為什麼要升高到戰略層級我一直很納悶這個事情我跟委員報告就是我們所採購的是我們國內自給率非常低的平均的自給率都在5%以下像大豆的話甚至於自給率只有0.02 |
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那相對的台灣沒有生產但是需要特別是飼料用所以我們進口的中醫都是飼料用反而可以增加降低我們的農民的一個生產成本因為我看到就是平均一年進口量大概19億美金美元每一年那4年的話4年的話也不過到76億對吧那 |
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你現在拉高到100億就差了25億美元這個差價會不會衝擊到我們的台灣本土的農業我想我剛才第一個強調的就是這些產品都是國內自給率非常低的 |
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所以不會影響到國內產業這些產品進來以後因為當飼料可以降低飼料成本反而是對農民的生產是有利的第三個就是我剛才講的提高25%是用113年當作基準去計算的如果你是以過去的5年去平均的話他大致上還是在維持在4年大概100億左右 |
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那我們有做這個融資貸款補貼或者保證收購嗎完全沒有都沒有是不是是那我希望這樣啦剩下10幾秒那我希望這個不要搞到我們台灣農民輸然後美國農民贏這樣好嗎不會啦我們自己產業還是要顧好國家利益產業利益為優先農民的安全農民的注意我們會列為優先的考量謝謝謝謝院長好 謝謝邱政經委 |