| IVOD_ID |
164473 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164473 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-21T11:34:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-21T11:50:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad817af50721993f03bec565e1b0b5e2ed3e39e9a6cc0a6183c966d97180d5d2c13a165974515a3f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:34:31 - 11:50:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境六委員會報告審查行政院函請審議「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」案等案。（10月17日）二、10月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（10月21日）） |
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這個新北市這個太阪輕軌的這個他們的規劃路線已經報佈了嗎報告委員他們有報佈目前是在可行性研究當中那鐵道局也正在審查當中其實這條路線部長應該也知道啦這個我已經 |
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很久很久就在關注這一條你也跟我討論過好幾次本來是從社後捷運變社後輕軌然後現在又延伸到這個太阪輕軌當初其實我也跟吳部長跟林佳龍部長其實也爭取了我們交通部給他們好幾百萬的可行性評估計畫的經費可行性評估的預算 |
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而且我也多次的質詢比如說在2023年9月17號我們前交通部王國才部長他就有說要將社後支線納入太阪輕軌規劃案的條件之一 |
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這王國才部長有講的然後在2023年10月17號我對在總質詢的時候呢王國才部長也在這邊也是說公開說我們會支持這個社會輕軌而且呢陳建仁那時候院長他也說確實有必要那時候的院長 |
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跟交通部部長都說要支持而且經費也都準備好了那時候都有這樣說 |
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我在2024年的3月8號我也就再次的質詢那時候王部長又公開說了他們提出來中央該給多少補助就給多少補助這是沒有問題的錢都準備好了現在他們報上來這裡我不知道部長他們有沒有把社後輕軌納入 |
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報告委員目前我們在太阪的輕軌的部分可行線研究裡面確實是有留這個岔道也就是說未來我們的這個延伸射後線的這個延伸的部分是有留這個可能性這個可能性是有留著但目前新北市政府給我們的回報是說目前還沒有找到適合的路還沒有找到適合的路不過委員剛剛在講的沒有錯就是過去您在委員會質詢也好或者是說 |
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您也有找我討論過這個事情交通部目前的立場也沒有改變對於這件事情我們依然是支持希望可以做得到我要在這邊跟部長您說一下來 你看一下這個 |
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就是原來王國才部長等等的那時候我們費了很大的心力這個是規劃路線什麼都有了所以新北市政府是不是公然欺騙所有的市民他們說沒有規劃路線 |
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這都在這裡喔他們公然欺騙喔 對不對這個他們現在新北市政府說預留廊道跟預留轉接點 |
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有預留就是現在不做而已啊要等以後做嘛 對不對是不是這個意思我們要預留未來的可能性就是希望未來可以做社後支線的這個部分對嘛 這是新北市政府態度不是交通部的態度新北市政府是說未來再做吧他的意思是這樣嘛沒錯嘛好 所以我一直覺得這個要一併處理 |
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我希望我們交通部要堅持立場一併處理我為什麼要這樣子講因為新北市政府一直欺騙新北市市民說規劃路線是在中正路中正路太小了他隱瞞了這條路線不讓新北市的市民知道早就有這條路線為什麼很簡單這是我的政見在選舉的時候 |
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另外一個國民黨的人他是反對社會有捷運的啊對不對我們不能為了選舉然後模式的我們板橋我們社會十幾萬居民的權利對不對吧部長所有的交通建設尤其是像板橋這麼人口擁擠跟密集的地方我相信很多的市民跟鄉親都很期待有更好的交通建設這個我們要一起來努力 |
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對 我跟你講建設是不分黨派的我覺得我們尤其是中央政府我們一定要照顧所有的人我不反對太本輕軌的建設但交通部從以前到現在就已經一句話而已你新北市你報上來我錢就給你了 |
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對不對但是新北市政府刻意不把這個路線劃進去他是對不起我們新北市市民尤其是我們板橋的市民他可能也覺得他任期快到了他剩下的做也沒多久了 |
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那如果這樣的話不能對不起我們新北市民尤其是板橋市民啊交通部的錢都準備好了我們應該要求他把這條路線規劃進來啊我不知道部長你的看法我們目前正在審查當中針對這個太阪輕軌的部分那當時我們交通部確實也有希望說把涉後的延伸線的部分也一併進來 |
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那目前當然我們還在審查的過程當中我們去了解說審查的必要條件是哪些如果這一條是重要我們當然會一併希望他能夠一併討論 |
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我希望是這一點交通部要堅持要堅持這一條一定要放下來你這麼多錢都放下去了你新北市政府他現在預留一個廊道預留一個轉接口那未來如果要再二次施工這個工程會比現在一次性的施工 |
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更好還是更不好當然是一次性施工大家可以更早完成這件事當然是比較好的而且工程的技術門檻也比較低吧一起規劃吧 對不對所以部長我必須要在這邊要跟你說這個要堅持住 |
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這個要堅持住不能讓新北市亂搞也不能讓我們板橋在這邊十幾萬而且現在是十幾萬喔在未來人口會更多那邊是重劃區而且現在板南縣每天大家都 |
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車子都搭不上捷運吧 這部長你知道吧都非常的擁擠不只擁擠喔 是坐不上去喔我也開過好多次 開過協調會你們的人應該有跟你講過啦所以 部長我們可不可以堅持好 這個部分我們來堅持好 謝謝你喔那我不好意思 我請一下卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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謝謝張委員好不好意思這個院長剛剛我跟陳部長講的院長都有聽到我真的是希望說這個交通部我們陳部長剛剛也有說了那我也要在這邊再拜託這院長我們的施政我們的建設我們的補助 |
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真的要以人民需求來考量啦我們不能為了新北市政府他自己的選舉去幫他背書啦我真的要拜託院長也支持陳部長這個我們的對這個色後輕軌的這一個態度我不知道院長能不能支持我替我們板橋民眾說一下話 |
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不只交通部 我想我們整個市政都是以人民的需求為出發點不會考慮到黨派或選舉的各項的利益跟因素不不不 現在是新北市在考慮黨派跟選舉我們不會考慮啦 我們不會考慮所以我希望院長能夠堅持啦替我們板橋的市民 某一點公平啦如果部裡面可以主動詢問 主動關心或主動做一些動作的話也可以這麼去主動跟新北市政府來說要求溝通 |
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好 謝謝院長院長你先請坐沒有關係你先坐一下再來 部長我上次有質詢高鐵進勞卡可不可以搭高鐵這件事我不知道高鐵這邊他們研議的如何部長導考 |
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報告委員我目前在設備上面應該是沒有問題就是說如果是要那個卡包含悠遊卡也好或者是銀行的聯名卡如果把敬老的這個點數放在裡面要用這個卡是沒有問題但是敬老的點數到底可不可以使用在這裡面可能我們需要跨單位大家來溝通這個部長 |
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之前台鐵可以用敬老卡搭台鐵也是我努力了5、6年才可以搭的我跟你講一個很簡單台鐵為什麼現在台鐵當初也是這樣講這個敬老卡到底怎麼樣怎麼樣他們沒有辦法控制不過還是上次我諮詢說你只要把它建制完成 |
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我跟你講地方政府人家就會做台鐵非常明顯的例子就在這裡了而且我上次有 |
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總諮詢的時候這個左院長也說要支持因為我們花的錢不多7000多萬而已對不對在整個政府裡面的總預算7000多萬其實我認為是還合理然後讓我們所有的長者進勞卡他可以去搭高鐵我跟你講地方政府就會配合台鐵一開始也說沒有結果人家現在有的縣市 |
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一個月可以有300點搭台鐵了那如果你把它建置好人家有的縣市人家有的有1000多有的有多少人家他要500點可以搭高鐵他就可以搭一趟了我真的覺得說要讓 |
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長者有方便性我不知道布政你的看法包委員我覺得這個方便性可以提供的話我們當然要盡量來做目前其實不管是用悠遊卡或者是一卡通只要是跟銀行有聯名的儲值的功能在高鐵上面坐自由座是可以用的所以縣市政府如果他的敬老卡是綁悠遊卡或者是綁一卡通基本上現在要搭自由座是可以的 |
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我知道那個是有的縣市並不是所有的縣市我們只要花了這7000多萬我們把跟台鐵一樣你把這個建制好了我的所有的敬老卡我都可以去搭高鐵 |
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我覺得把它建制好台灣是一個進步的國家我們花了這些錢把這個把它建制好地方政府就會配合了啊我的意思是這樣部長你懂嗎我在態度上是支持啦我在態度上支持我來跟高鐵公司來這邊演繹看看 |
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因為畢竟他們是上市櫃公司我們來跟他們研議看看看可不可以做這方面的服務報告委員這個在推動電子票證的過程我們必須努力如果電子票證的推動過程加上系統的前後台都能夠完整的話那目前台鐵的進導塔也只有12個縣市是開放的 |
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那我們去了解一下台鐵這樣的經驗推動到現在的經驗或許朝這個方向已經是有一個可以依循的方式我請交通部你們就去排除現在的困難我想下次在面對委員質詢之前我們應該把這個事情做一個定案 |
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其實問題不困難解決啦交通部你只要補助高鐵這筆錢就問題解決了啦就是很簡單的一句話嘛你補助他做 他就做了嘛 對不對那我覺得這個補助雖然他是一個民營上市貴的公司 |
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他是全台灣人都在通用的我覺得這一點可能要拜託了好不好好 謝謝請回 院長你也請回我再請一下文化部長麻煩請文化部長備選部長我想請問一下我們板橋兒童未來館現在的進度如何 |
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好 謝謝委員關心這個一切都按照原來進度最近我們跟新北市政府也開了很多會對於很多細部的動線都討論完今年9月1號國家人口未來管理新建工程基地的一個勘察由行政院公共委員會來勘察過 |
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建造的取得會不會有問題 |
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到目前為止一切按照進度中間有一些細節我已經跟新北市討論了很多原來有一些小小的困難那空橋的問題解決了嗎也是在 對因為原來這幾個問題都滿困難但新北市政府也全力協調我們協助我們所以到目前為止一切都按照原定計畫沒有問題所以建造拿到的日期不會拖延喔 |
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不會 到目前我們就按照進度我只問建造拿到的日期會不會拖延會不會拖延啦 我們盡快按照我們原來的進度嘛這個會不會拖延是要審查那個部長我知道你也不是建築專家好 謝謝張宏祿委員質詢謝謝卓院長各相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |