| IVOD_ID |
164472 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164472 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-21T11:03:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-21T11:34:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad817af50721993f6f4484e16fea9f64ed3e39e9a6cc0a6183c966d97180d5d2c13a165974515a3f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:03:26 - 11:34:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境六委員會報告審查行政院函請審議「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」案等案。（10月17日）二、10月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（10月21日）） |
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張宏祿委員請準備好 謝謝主席 我們請院長再請總院長備詢 |
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主委好 院長辛苦了第一個問題因為時間有限我們藝人 藝人 表演家散兵平船今天又有多名藝人被逮捕約談甚至上手銬我比較訝異的是 |
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這些人有的扶過替代役不是我做替代役也讓認為是閃兵不是跳傘的閃兵 是閃的閃兵那是不是我們在替代役的資格審查上面有漏洞 一定有 |
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你也不知道喔今天這個案子我是不曉得但是無論是一般的服役或是替拜役都是國民應盡的義務我認為站在國民的立場上跟國家立場上國民盡這個義務的時候應該要勇敢的承擔那執行過程當中我認為這個警察機關自有他的衡量 |
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這是 我做海流案所以我看到就說我做兵 看到就說我抄現在有替代 什麼一堆大堆這是認定上 什麼不斷這個是一個妨礙兵役的那個今天是具體 那個不是逮捕那我想這個是屬於 |
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進行好幾波的一個妨礙兵役案件的一個偵辦像是那個王姓藝人那個已經都起訴了那我想這個是此往不可長這個服兵役是國民應盡的一個義務我想這是憲法也有規定那這個是屬於一個妨礙兵役這個是一個執行的一個方式 |
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如果是逃避兵役那是嚴重啦如果你是一般的單兵的體會有什麼問題就要替代體會國民的義務這個是一樣的這個都是服兵役嘛服的類種不一樣但是站在憲法上國民應經義務的這個憲法的精神規範是一樣的這個搞清楚之後我們來辦公室來討論一下好不好 副長 |
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這個我想這個是個案的這是個案我們尊重這個整個兵役的一個制度我想這個是屬於不是我們法務部主管法規我們就是按照妨礙兵役違反妨礙兵役跟偽造文書這部分我們來做一個偵辦那我想這是個案我們也尊重檢察官的一個偵辦的一個職權 |
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好 謝謝那再來就是運動部的問題運動部也成立不久 不忍苛責啦免卡 免卡 免卡剛才黃文凱問很多所以你們現在足協啊 |
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弊端一大堆 這個我們請運動部的人到辦公室我們研究人就討論一下請委員多多支持這個事件剛好給運動部成立之後一個全新的運動部面對一個老問題啊 如何來解決我想全社會全國都在看未來運動部要大力的整頓各單項協會這是一個很好的一個起點雖然案件對我們來講蠻痛心的 |
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但是利用這個案件能夠大力的整頓從此開始行政院全力支持運動部做這樣的改革好 就新的一個部會那再來我們再講天災我們請農業跟經濟部麻煩請農業部長 經濟部長備詢 |
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我剛才就向他請教過我們天蓋農損都用我們的農業成本的百分之二十動作是我們的補助 動作是我們的農損前面他就說了 我們陳副長也有說說這要研究 這要調整 我在那裡想不通 |
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你的農損用你的成本的20%當作農損所以你秀出來的data都是很低那這個農業損失只有5倍 |
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譬如說你屏東你跟我說一件一頁、兩頁那社長他的生意只剩分十頁啊那如果剛才教委員講的說他的收益一分之一一分之一一分之一的預貨包你給他補六千塊、八千塊 |
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事實上他如果好好地修繩可以修20萬至30萬所以差太多了我常常會想你這個修到這麼高是要標示什麼標示說我們損失很輕微這個不對啦你一定會說要調整一定 我有調整嗎 |
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我先跟委員報告就是我們現在的那個天然災害救助的辦法我們會在年底因為我們每半年就會檢討一次年底的時候我們會檢討會重新修正但是我要跟委員報告一個精神天然災害救助的精神 |
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它本身是希望它盡快的復耕而且天然災害的發生了以後它不是全員當然有少部分比較嚴重會全員損毀大部分的話像果樹的話它可能第一次花被打掉第二次還會再開花所以它有不同的樣態所以我們會根據不同的樣態去設計第二個部分要跟委員報告以這次從丹納斯颱風到楊柳颱風那個花家山還不談 |
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我們大概現金救助會發放大概65億65.5億然後實際的損失大概是4倍啦實際的整個農業損失大概4倍將近250億到300億之間這是他說的最先賺先賺20%的 |
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一定,那個水上他的生殖是五倍嘛如果再叫市民上來收養,那不算了,不廢了但是每次秀到這麼多,都...這不是正常啦有人覺得說,怎麼沒什麼啊,水上這麼嚴重那農民都要吃土啊 |
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不過報告委員這個面對極端氣候政府當然是想大力的來協助農民但考慮到國家的財政的結構跟能力我們做這樣的方式但未來他在復耕的過程當中我們還有很多的獎勵措施還可以再協助他能夠盡快的恢復正常 |
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所以杯水車薪三百萬農漁牧的農民連續受准的部分我們也會納在今年年底的修正裡面一併去調整 |
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我土韌性 什麼有些都一樣但是在你講韌性韌性所以我非常的期待我們院長我會去我店間說你還在做筆記的 不錯啊農業部年底會來做合理的一個檢討跟修正我們現在說的最實際的緊張起來 這叫做緊張起來 |
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一定你可能不知道 你們都沒有這麼緊張我小時候都很緊張的這緊張起來以前是用風胎走到北的北緊張以前是用頂的 都用頂三年來現在都用阿公 女子的那也有高的跟薄的薄的一支也是 薄的一支三百二十五塊那些都我們如果高的 都要賺多少呢部長啊 |
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你現在剝走 剝走什麼 你知道嗎剝走說要有有機的 要有履歷的 你才要剝走我告訴你 台獨所有農民都正常要兩分 三分沒有履歷 沒有有機 他們就燒燒的搞火花來消為主 這些人你不要剝走你算剝走 我們剝走那些大農戶那些做台湯 20公頃 30公頃的那些你剝走那些錢 你就好了 你說給你更好了要吃土 都在你吃土 |
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那不行啦我跟委員 你講的邏輯有點不正確我要跟委員報告就是說我們在補助的過程中也希望調整農民的一個更進步的耕作方式所以我們針對產交履歷產交履歷我們會專案輔導產交履歷是一個讓整個的產品可以追溯讓它品質更好的方式不然我們補助下去過往曾經補顧過一次結果第二年這些牙管都被拿去賣了 |
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這個是很實際的問題所以我們希望說用產交履歷去做一些現在的農民 經濟 財產 都需要育苗的所在一棟是5棵30棵你再來 我也不太清楚啦我不是沒有在做所以我要跟你說的就是這些農民帶多少你要補助 你就要給他們補助不是說 交苗我們有補助啊 |
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沒有啊 你就這麼多農民反彈高秋一四個大家都走到要死了再查一下 好不好 否定這要收農 這要都是我們要照顧的那個大農夫不需要照顧啦 他活得很好生啦再來 我們這間洋流颱風啦什麼農田損失的啦 農業損失的忙啊都漸漸有在復原啊 對不對 部長 有在復原嗎 |
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因為網市什麼的這個網市的部分我們現在特別是針對現在還找不到工有沒有的這些網市我們都另外提供獎勵金讓他先把他的網子透過回收場回收所以這個部分我想我們已經積極在做而且是提供八成的一個補助八成的補助 |
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農田水利署在這次丹納斯颱風整個提供了76.82億那76.82億是由地方政府提報上來的然後這個部分我們也已經地方政府已經提報計畫了然後我們會在近短的時間內核定以後就可以開始施工因為我們柏町是很認真的 |
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各種補助的反應措施變化的這個彈性相當大又快速災難一直來這種災難是一直來誰執政都一樣啦全球氣候變遷所以我們現在一天一天在說國土任性任性 任性這真的就要用 用膽分啦這不是這樣親切公共的來 再來今天節目很多防災任性這間的我們 |
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休旅遊、自來水,我非常感謝議長和經濟部。小溜球現在一年的企業有200萬人,在地長租人口差不多1萬人,社體人口1萬多。 |
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原來的一個池水池是自來水的 是五千噸現在電鍋要再六成一個五千多噸這樣就要滿多噸這大家很會任性大家安心 不會欠電 又欠水所以很感謝議長 那天你就不去所以我要再說的就是這末端水口的水 |
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經過車廂 經過房商在開放後來到那邊再到分櫃的收入區往北 東港 臨海那裡去來到一百公里以前水工都掛在舊的旁邊舊燈就在燈現在我們主要的水工是自己用水管橋做得不錯所以看到有在保養一百公里 所以 |
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我們修理區有儲水設施我是要建議 還是要請求我們的議長你幫我代言一下 檳榔這裡天氣八八風災天天天四天 天水天八天那已經是人壽的最高極限了 |
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我跟院長包括那個社會媒體醫院都開放讓外面的人來洗澡我那邊有地下水 還有我們八軍團的來一四個又去高手那裡買水我那裡買水就買一百多萬一三天再水下來 頂頂 這都是這過去 但是我是要建議說剛才台北我那裡找地 我們去一個儲水槽我那裡有經濟部 出一下我們 習慣東 習慣東 我老婆 |
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我們來評估看看如果適合的地方我們來評估這有需要啦 不會鞠躬勒勒躬來高壓 要躺下去就沒了水也沒人吃 所以這很重要啦所以硬硬沒問題吧我請部長來評估 因應當地的需要看這邊要克服一些其他的困難如果更多又更好 |
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我們現在一整晚大家都在擦光電板上 有什麼什麼的然後我們的環境部長跟我說他跟我說水口 製紡池 水池 水庫裡面有在做環評的 寫給沒有人做 結果沒有 |
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我們常常查 新加坡有在做 韓國有在做印尼也有在做 印尼喔所以 要返品啦你都沒在返品啊 路上也沒在返品河山場裡面也沒在返品 都沒在返品這樣有什麼什麼的 很好 |
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委員我介紹一下 你說新加坡跟印尼跟韓國是自己做 但是政府並沒有規範是多少但是我們政府要規定幾分及格 他們是沒有規定幾分及格所以我們早就有關注到這件事情了目前全世界的標準是還沒有 但是他是自己做 |
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現在我們的光電在自動式燈頭、在對面燈頭會汙染,剛才我們農業部長在裡面說沒有汙染,明明就是路上的光電板,因為有焦、曬、有什麼火,所以用清潔劑來沖、來洗,這也舒適。你說在水庫、在自動式燈頭,你都用清水來沖,自動式燈頭就沒有焦,去放曬了。 |
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他有用高壓水或低壓水來沖洗啊 這個是允許的有嘛 所以 |
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他如果要比較嚴格就是說這個清潔劑是要用分解有機的 要燒的環境部你還要好好研究他媽就說都沒有 都沒有水源區都不可以啦都不可以啦 清潔力都不可以 清水而已任何清潔劑都不行都要用清水煮而已 煮牛裡面水煮他用高壓的 高壓水噴啦 |
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這樣路上會想 路上沒水所以路上要有清潔劑 一定是不是這樣說應該是這個邏輯啦 要有水體 要高壓把它裝下去就像這邊在花蓮在清高壓水槍一樣 就能夠清得出來事實上用清潔劑也不是很好如果不好的清潔劑還會傷害你的那個面板 |
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我們就清潔劑沒辦法了包委員 那個鳥也不能說有面板沒有面板它都會掉下去東西那個其實也都會掉到水庫所以其實我們那個水庫都會經過淨水場我們有那個量測都是核污安全標準而且水質非常好 可以放心再來 我們的泵水現在要設風場在那天 |
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市長 今天你有談到 市長你也有說這個地方要設風場 空間很大你今天要明確跟我說 你的態度是什麼因為他們要來抗爭 今天你們說了 他們特別要來不來所以我也在跟他們說 但是你今天跟他們說一下說這到底 如果沒有什麼條件 他想你要反對這也要做了啦 |
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報告委員 我們環評委員是非常嚴格對這個非常敏感的所以請鄉親們放心不用大老遠擺到台北來抗議我們會嚴格幫大家把關外港的環境部那樣看 環境部外面那來撥可能不太好那來騙人也不太好不需要做勞使動眾的事情所以你的看法就是 |
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發動反風車大聯盟已經成立 我也要支持但是台東管政府就明確說 不能做 |
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這樣就比較安心了風車要低頻 噪音放下來不是辦法好 再來 我們農業科學園區裡面現在那三個製風池 現在已經要放光電了那機器頭都斷斷落下了 我跟你說你都沒在放頻 放火怎麼補 這樣不行啦 |
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我們現在正在研究當中 到底多大的面積這個案子我會再去了解一下在這個敏感的地區 山坡地包括濕地等等它達到一定的面積的時候 一定的規模我認為還是要經過比較科學跟專業的依據我們才能夠說服地方這個政策的推動才會順暢 |
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現在的規定就是包括特農的部分還有環境保護區還有重要濕地野生保護區跟國家公園這個本身就要做環評的 |
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本來就現在的規定就是要河山場或是山坡地面積比較大河山場那裡500公頃那裡幾乎建國的時代就歸類了所以要一塊特區算什麼室內能蓋 蓋光電板現在蓋55公頃現在你那邊坡這裡 也是我們越來越多不斷我看我們還要再造一座因為你如果看到你那裡太空洞了 |
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整個泥石流這樣流這個不是河山廠的出來口河山廠蓋的光電板是在廠區裡面絕對沒有蓋到廠外我拜託的時候 我有叫我的同事去檢查有三個原因 我說河山廠那個當然有一些開發有一些裸露的 但是它量沒有太大最主要是銀河灣 |
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那裡有一個銀河灣 因為那是外來種第二個附近有一個水利的工程希望說能夠趕快完成可以把污水化的處理那目前的這個排水不是從這個河山廠造成的這個是我們目前初步的探查那陸國安委 一定有那陸國安委 國家的山府都過了死了了啦 所以這個是很可惜啦現在葉子也大家要挖 再來 |
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我們的勞碧都停了 勞碧都停了例如說三寶你把他搬走了嘛 環境部是 是 我們退回了退回了喔 對 對 對這也還不完啦 這還要下去 因為他會結業而已啊現在你種平地茶 七百多公頃你現在要自己滷滷的 要再下去蓋光電 蓋五十億這樣還比較誇張的 一定我告訴你 來 下一張 |
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這就是一天來播在平坑大旁邊在三明飛中央議員傳證說要在金門上面看太陽能板 光電板那是要做什麼 要把我們的祖先遮蔭那要遮蔭啊 要再遮蔭 怕死人沒辦法 金門你來看光電板 |
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在那邊燒 要去燒壩 又走到旁邊走到這裡我沒有去如果有去 差不多就說我在亂的所以這個誇張 全台灣沒有公務會蓋光電盤不是 他不會放在那個木上面他是在走道的地方有啦 有有的要蓋 這些人祖先幾百年了都住在這裡這樣不行啦 不行啦 好不好 |
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這種不宜的地方我們當初設想或開放的時候就應該把他這個不宜的地方要把它去除掉這樣才不會造成大家的不信任公務的旁邊做停車場我沒看過啦如果他只是一個建築物的上面或是一個另外空地那是可以考慮絕對不要在這個墓地上面來做任何的搭架公務旁的停車場 |
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時間一萬 謝謝我們現在來講醫療任性請新出爐的部長石部長很認真我們財政部長來財政部 麻煩請財政部備詢財政部 財政部麻煩請財政部備詢 |
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院長 這是88這個莫拉克風災的時候那個時候這個是我本人那個時候是用平行車在載反駕再來下一張這是用貨櫃車因為以前都遭毀遭毀車都停在二高的 |
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路肩 然後我們用貨櫃車去把醫生拉回來都喝水喔 可能貨櫃車我就曬這醫生這樣一條一條跳下來 我一條一條跟他照那個時辰 水久 醫生這樣 熱忱就拚了很感動耶 那個廢棍車上面還有鑽耶鑽也怕喝水耶 麻痺的穿過可能腳也會軟掉喔來 下一張 但是現在嚴重耶 |
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現在我們的重症醫師都走了大家都知道要開業 大家都知道要遵守因為這個事情 你聽我告訴你你也要做筆記 那個越來越嚴重不然 事務長要做什麼 |
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跟委員報告這個急重症部分當然我們一方面這個今年的健保的挹注也比較比往年多很多啦所以各醫院的點子都上來了甚至在南部啊高屏區都達到點子一塊錢那另一方面我們就調整這個支付標準把急重症的這個跟人力有關係的支付標準也都是優先調升所以今年急重症就調了四十幾億 |
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那另外護理的部分我們也在調護理費我們也投入了25億這幾年真的時事部長很認真 邱部長也很認真你也很認真 很多藝術 很多費用過來撿補這是事實 但是這幾年要補補這錢都是家裡的家裡護理師 家裡醫師 放射前驗者 都一直提供但是醫生的薪資 十五年沒調整 |
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我也要替醫生講談保安會醫生為什麼大家要再走他沒有說到重點重點是在哪裡 市部長當然有一部分是因為在診所開業跟在醫院的醫師他的稅負也有落差因為在醫院裡面是屬於受僱那麼在診所裡面是執行業務所的 |
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兩者的說服之間也出現有一些不相稱的地方所以這個也跟委員報告我們也在研究那麼在醫院裡面的所有的這個工作人員除了這個主治醫師外他都是適用勞基法那麼只有主治醫師那麼因為業務的關係病人的生命 |
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臨時性 緊急性 持續性不同所以沒有納入勞基法美國總統川普說加班費 值班費 免稅像這個福福叫小費 也免稅現在醫生 重症的醫生在病院一班一班要死 你還要卡稅 |
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再加上現在的醫生的稅差不多要2個位置2個包圍的全薪去納稅他一般在那裡在那裡再加稅大家也照啊 去申訴稅務可不可以淡嗎你們之前說兩個部隊要研究研究研究研究到現在到底是什麼我們的重症醫療的方法院長 總院長你現在是理想到嗎 |
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你是Powerful,你一定會做到一定的事,如果沒有照料,我們在座的各位,包括你,包括我,包括我們的家人,他們要怎麼幫忙,沒有人依靠他們, |
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那個也說不會喔所以醫生你一個月而已如果不這樣繼續在流失越來越嚴重我們還是要尊敬跟感謝每個醫師當他投入這個行業的時候他對自己的工作的使命都是非常崇高的但不能因為這樣變成一個不被尊重 |
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那我也承認過去一段時間我們對護理人員跟相關人員的這個需求的提高做的比較多那實際上這兩天我也跟部長提到未來我們怎麼對醫師來做更多的一些在權益上面的維護那您說到了這個加班不記錄 |
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免稅的這個部分財政部應該有一個想法我們來聽財政部的說法跟委員報告目前的稅法規定如果是為了僱主的目的如果他要執行業務那麼支領的這個加班費目前如果說這個加班費沒有超過規定的標準的話他是不計入他的薪資收入來課稅的那現在問題就是組織醫師這一部分他不適用導機法那他也沒有具有公務員的身份 |
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這一部分因為他的加班的時數跟他加班的這個資期的標準他目前都還沒訂出來所以這一部分可能要麻煩請這個衛福部這邊先訂出來以後我們就會根據稅法的規定那麼提供一個非常公平合理的一個 |
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加班免稅的一個規定跟財政部開過三次會議也有在這個賴會員委員也主持了兩次的協商當然剛剛陳儒財政部規範裡面提到的要有一個加班的 |
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這個規定 那個包含這個上限標準那這個我們大概也有一些共識那麼以這個80到100個小時也不能夠太高 過勞也不好但是以80到100小時間的這個加班時數來做一個上限 |
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再來就是這個加班費如何採任的問題還在跟財政部這邊 |
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過勞 所以一定要在合理的範圍當中那這個部分財政部應該會來支持這樣講來來來 陳國標這樣講 國務局也好 跟我講一下不好 尿尿看喔 不是辦法啦這真的在那裡 每個月都在跑往紅醫師 那個陳醫師 每天早上在那裡唱歌而已說他要跑 他說廢物太重 他沒辦法啊所以去診所 比較輕啊 |
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所以這要怎麼讓他們做下去公家便宜 你們看公家便宜 大家蠢蠢利動那一家伴侶幾百塊啊 你是要叫我們怎麼做下去啦你有 當時全十八個月 今年你給我回答一各位 兩各位給我今年來研究好不好我們今年來研究這個方案出來 今年明年就適用了明年我們研究出來以後會有個時程再跟委員報告 謝謝 |
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好感謝好謝謝謝謝蘇清泉委員質詢謝謝主委員長各相關部會所長備詢謝謝報告委員會在議場二樓旁聽的 |