| IVOD_ID |
164444 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164444 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-4-36,22-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-20T12:35:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-20T12:42:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03f010abd9bb8d1b2fb599bae9a180876d84cc432149c84b83c966d97180d5d2b79a220842b8dbde5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:35:12 - 12:42:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查
（一）委員賴士葆等20人擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（二）國民黨黨團擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員賴士葆等29人擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第三十七條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員柯志恩等18人擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員許宇甄等21人擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第三十七條及第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員黃健豪等20人擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（七）委員張智倫等19人擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例部分條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員葉元之等20人擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第三十七條條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
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謝謝主席 有請教育部的長官 權序部的長官兩位次長 還有人事行政總署的張副總人事長好不好 三位長官兩位次長 還有副人事長因為我時間很短 所以我只有一個問題就是教育部的長官要不要跟我們講一下現在已經砍了七年了吧 |
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這個stop here而且現在來講的話我們一直講國民所的瓦占都瓦占你照顧等於說這個政府現在很奇怪照顧全部除了要公教人員就公教人員手不軟這個我們可以想一想喔你可以想一想喔原來我們普發現金一萬的時候行政院都印了不發執政黨團不發到後來通通要了 |
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以現在來講的話你清楚看得到我剛才在提案說明我就講了我就講了到現在為止如果加上明年度的話加上明年度我們給勞保的撥補有5000億左右請問交易部的市場我們年金 |
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這個公立大學的公立學校的教職員到今年底這樣子可以要砍多少下來砍多少下來不是 金額 全部金額金額 對 對 節省多少你都不知道啊 你都不知道在這裡要講啊省多少嘛 省多少錢嘛省多少 |
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省多少不只133千例左右了多少從開始107年到現在107到現在已經回補一柱1321不是有3000例嗎 |
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教育人員的部分是一三二一一三二一教育人員一三二一就砍了一三二一嘛 對不對那難道你不站在教育人員的一個角度上這個未來可不可以不要砍了就這麼簡單一個訴求我們多少委員提案就這樣子STEP HERE 七年呢他原來是十年嘛 對不對我們就少三年 物價上升其他的所得其他的都一直漲 |
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這是一個訴求這個教育部照理講應該替教育人員講話對不對結果我們看到其他的部會都是替他們部會相關人員講話獨獨教育部也不敢講也不知道為什麼你要不要講一下 |
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跟委員會報告 因為維持現行規定應該是相對限職跟退休人員是一個比較永續的做法什麼叫永續 你們說如果這樣子的話會提早破產三到四年 請問那是民國幾年的事情 |
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民國幾年會破產 129129現在多少 11415年以後的事情我們很多人不知道15年以後還在不在咧你要考慮15年以後的事情這個東西我覺得這個東西太抽象太空泛而且非常不實際的現在來講你看那個潛艦幾百億 |
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這個潛艦快變成這個爛尾艦一樣 這樣子清 這樣子炸 這樣子花七年來如果你是一億三多一年就兩百億左右一年差不多兩百億左右 對不對兩百億可以不可以就不要再砍了就是這樣而已啊那你用其他的什麼理由說啊 這個是永續啦是什麼之類的 |
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我覺得 沒有說服力啦沒有說服力 你們的報告裡面也寫啦你現在寫啦 說現在平均他的所得是5.8高於主計總書公佈的這個經常性薪資4.6那是去年喔 今年不止 今年5萬多囉今年已經5萬多囉已經5萬多 你要不要調整今年已經5萬多了 |
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今年已經五萬多了不是四萬多當然他中位數沒有這麼高啦但是平均數已經是五萬多了接近你這個了所以我們的訴求其實就是苦民所苦啦你對陳建仁那時候是負責的年金整個改革總負責人總舵手他講的 |
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軍公教 勞 一起改結果勞到現在為止完全沒有改勞就是一直補 一直補補到明年的預算加起來五千億教咧你要繼續砍這不通啊整個不通啊這個賴清德總統都說台灣現在經濟成長 瓦占度瓦占GDP成長多少多少要全民共享為什麼退休人員你就 |
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沒辦法就給他照顧一下好 第二個問題就是那我們現在講的說以前是四年調整一次可以不可以改成兩年調整一次你們的看法怎麼樣 |
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跟委員報告因為目前的規定是只要正負5%CPI但是如果要調整的話事實上可能還要也要兼顧到限值的跟限值的一個差異跟橫貧的部分啦以及目前的像陸委員講的目前平均上來講已經是5.8%85%是在五萬塊 |
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這個問題是這個平均薪資已經五萬多了已經五萬多了換句話說現在的 |
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這個叫啊叫的人員啊他已經是很辛苦了啦已經到樓地板了啦不要再砍了啦就這樣子一個很簡單的訴求嘛然後這個未來要隨著隨著軍工就要調整他可以調整吧你們同意再調整吧我們現在是依照CPI增幅5%跟每4年調事實上從年改到現在已經調過兩次6%了幾年調6% |
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對嘛 就七年調六趴一年一趴嘛所以我才講說那乾脆我們就兩年 然後三趴就這個意思啦好 時間到了 時間很短了所以我就不多講了就是告訴各位就告訴大家 |
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我們政府對勞保是這樣對軍工特別是公教是另外一個嘴臉完全正式考量這可怕的地方在這裡我覺得你現在今天在這裡回答你也不敢回答你這個都是造本宣科反正這個樣子反正我們立法院來改嘛因為民眾黨跟我們合起來民眾黨的 |
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他只是一個堅持我聽到的是說不是回到原來的我們是說stop here不要繼續看我覺得你們應該好好去認真思考這個問題好 謝謝好 謝謝大委員知道好 謝謝大委員 |