| IVOD_ID |
164410 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164410 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-20T11:12:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-20T11:21:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03f010abd9bb8d1b7811a943ef045d389336e3c0e2d3d52383c966d97180d5d2f711b04a562537095ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:12:53 - 11:21:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「潛艦國造原型艦海測執行現況及因應作為」，併請台灣國際造船股份有限公司董事長列席，並備質詢。） |
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好 谢谢主席 请我们杨次长以及海军参谋长请杨次长 海军参谋长王委员好好 次长好 参谋长好我们今天主要是海昆号的一个专案报告我想请问 再次确定一下11月交件会不会延后 会不会跳票 |
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報告這個跟委員報告目前海昆號遇到的這個問題是在技術上我們沒有問題但是我們在檢測上我又有時間關係11月能夠如期交界嗎我們朝這個方向去努力能不能因為現在時間已經差一個多月而已因為你們好幾次都是說11月是目標那11月會不會跳票 |
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委員好 已經參謀長報告那的確我們當初在測試的整個規劃上面上是有點樂觀那現在是面臨比較大的挑戰好 現在看起來就是沒有辦法如期交件好 所以次長啊 還有那個參謀長 |
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我們其實等待海昆號已經等待非常久了那相關的海側的時間跳票現在交件的時間也跳票但是與此同時我們也看到日本最近下海的蒼金號 |
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好 下海然後它的相關的造價呢也有媒體這樣披露所以讓我們很多民眾非常崩潰也就是我們造價超過500億的我們的海昆號左等右等錢也是你們在花的 |
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話也是你們在講的說什麼時候一定會如期的進行海策如期的交建但是現在呢看起來都是自欺欺人我不曉得要延後到什麼時候所以我想請問一下就是讓民眾非常崩潰的事情就是為什麼同樣的日本一條一條的潛艦在下水而它的造價比我們低那麼多 |
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如果按照這樣的說 看我們的造價相差這麼多的一個狀況之下請問一下 未來我們的國建國造可不可以把轉為我們跟日本來買 讓日本賣給我們我這樣算一下 我們未來有7條的前件你們編了2800多億 |
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那如果我們跟日本買的話立刻可以減少六成以上至少我們納稅人的錢可以少很多所以想請問一下我們現在計畫要繼續花這麼多的錢嗎他們已經是造到大驚奇的第六騷然後他的價格已經可以降低到不到145億那為什麼我們還是要維持這麼高的一個價格可不可以跟日本去買 |
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我們可以跟美國買相關的這些軍品那我們花的錢這麼多嘛然後什麼時候能夠正式成行我們也不知道遙遙無期啊錢也要花但是呢又沒有辦法看到成果 |
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可不可以回答是委員好跟委員報告海昆圈的建造其實是按節點那目前我們的測試的確是有點有了一個落後的delay的這個情形那我們原本應該是在四月份就要海測但是我們延到六月所以這中間的確有兩個月的差遲 |
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那這兩個月差池就會反映在我們現在的測試的這個節點上那這個也必須要坦誠的 懷切的來面對這一個財務長我請問一下黃曙光他原來是我們國建國造的召集人他就請辭了反正丟下這樣的爛攤子請辭了那請問一下他現在召集人的工作是您在做嗎 |
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這個抱怨 那個黃刺蝟請辭之後 那目前我想這個我們也我們還有召集人嗎 不用召集了我們海軍司令部會做專案管理 然後由國防部層層的督管 我們共同來執行所以由海軍司令部由您來負起這個相關的工作嗎我有講的就是為什麼我們這個國艦國造海昆號這扯啊 |
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我們說第一個好剛才講海澈delay現在呢交件也delay然後看到人家日本的那個人家的錢錢這麼便宜然後我們在這個過程裡面好我們的召集人說以所謂的家庭藝術 |
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落跑了然後我們台船之前的董事長最重要的台船董事長鄭文龍也離開了我知道他那個時候是非自願離開啊所以就說所有前進國造的這些key man關鍵人物一個一個離開而現在留下這些爛攤子當然我覺得你們現在責任也很重大變成你們在這邊接受我們的質詢 |
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在這邊接受我們的質疑怎麼會這樣子呢到了這種地步變成所有該負責的人全部走掉了 |
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該負責的人我們沒有辦法究責那到現在我們也沒有辦法看到海昆號到底什麼時候交件也都不知道然後一大堆這個什麼這個系統那個系統說沒有辦法整合過去我們也有嘛當時台船那個大午見也是一樣啊應是去交件交件之後被監察院這個審計部然後提出糾正說你們相關的IPMS系統根本沒有辦法整合 |
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就是一大堆留下來這些問題可是這些錢不都是名指名高嗎所以我希望在整個的海昆號到底什麼時候能夠交件我覺得你們要有必要要跟國人做如實的報告 |
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但是我也知道你們現在責任完全就責於你們也有一點那個什麼也有點就是我說該就責的人通通跑掉了這些人都不要就責當時講的天花亂墜當時做的一副瘋瘋火火現在東西交不出來人通通跑掉了錢也就花下去了還要編那麼多錢 |
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所以我具體建議啊 具體建議如果人家日本人可以做那麼好除非你不相信日本人嘛 |
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乾脆去跟日本去買算了我們可以節省超將近兩千億耶兩千億是錢啊我們做不出來乾脆跟人家去買好了我說這話可能大家覺得說我是喪自己威風啊好像很喪氣可是問題是我們大家期待這麼多然後花了這麼多錢卻一直沒有辦法呈現在國人的眼前然後繼續給我們編織一個很很美好的夢在那裡 |
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所以在這邊拜託你們所有相關事情我知道我們國防外交委員會也有舉行過秘密會議然後我們現在大家還是很關心還是要有些公開的要給國人交代有什麼樣的狀況應該如實的去跟國人報告好不好 |
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我很簡單跟委員做報告那當然日本的整個潛艦的起源很早那他有他自己的自製產能跟他國內的這個供應鏈所以他的很多的條件是的確是價錢是非常低但是受限於我們的一個環境上這個狀況下面而且日本對我們輸出的這個許可也有可能有些問題 |
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那潛艦雖然換了目前我們按照這個現在的步調在走那我們有信心可以完成潛艦的建造那整個專案不會因為一個人離開了位置的產生影響我們會繼續努力謝謝委員知道好 拜託加油了好 謝謝委員 |