| IVOD_ID |
164398 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164398 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-20T10:30:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-20T10:37:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03f010abd9bb8d1b30fdc5766d86087510dc7ddeacd8f6da83c966d97180d5d205479c7cef35606c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:30:27 - 10:37:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部、警政署署長、國家安全局、法務部針對「當前全國治安狀況與如何強化總統、副總統、中央政府機關首長及特定人士安全警衛作業，避免境外勢力或協力者影響國家安全」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們麻煩請國安局還有警政署國安局警政署委員好 |
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好 梁院長那我主要是看到你們所提出來的一些報告我主要是針對一個資料庫的部分想要進行了解就是國家安全國安的部分其實我們絕對是贊成而且非常的支持一定要維護我們國家安全以及我國元首的安全這我絕對支持但是執行要符合比例原則要符合法律的規定不要把國安這個東西變成是無限上綱上方保健 愛砍誰就砍誰 |
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那我想請問一下那這次國安局的報告裡面有提到說對於政治極端主義有暴露傾向的行為要建置資料庫那我想請問一下這個資料庫這個法律的授權是哪裡來可不可以請你說明一下報告委員我們是針對這些有治安顧慮的人口不是不是不要跟我講這個我國做什麼事情要法律授權請問一下法律授權哪裡哪一條法律授權你們做這個資料庫 |
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好 那沒關係你講不出來就算了我還是跟你講111年現判13號健保資料庫他曾經大法官有做出一個資料庫要建制一定要有法律上的標準那他當時要知道收集對象是誰目的是什麼要件是什麼保存期限等等甚至 |
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收集得的資料的監督機制這個都非常重要我們不能讓你這個建制的這個資料庫變成是黑名單用我們以前為了廢除刑法100條我們希望海外的流亡份子可以回到 |
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他們認為的黑名單可以回到台灣我們做了多少努力當年我還是學生的時候就今天我們要越走越回去嗎還要由國家來建置一個資料庫來去把哪一些人他覺得有問題把他列出黑名單你要這麼做我沒有意見但是必須要法律授權請你們記得這件事情不能用國家安全這件或元首為安就什麼想做什麼都做什麼如果啊你像你第一個你搞不清楚法律授權是什麼再來 |
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他的資料庫收集之後怎麼用目的是什麼對象是誰如果你們搞不清楚你們去問一下那個政委好不好林明星政委他對這一塊比較熟啦你去問一下不能隨隨便便給我一份報告就說要建置一個資料庫這已經完全不像台灣已經不像法治國家變警察國家這是不應該的那可不可以請你們把有關這個部分能夠一份報告來給我們說清楚 |
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你們收集資料庫的目的對象要件保存的方式以及監督的單位是哪一些要跟我說清楚好不好這個很重要如果沒有你根本就違法那再來今天這個我本來想問你們幾個問題但是因為你可能連那個法律授權都不清楚所以問這個可能也可能你也答不出來啦但是我想你那整個制定的要點還有SOP都要給我一份你們怎麼做由誰做 |
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哪一個單位做都要給我一份好那我再問你們一下就是我直接跟你們講啦這個資料庫我認為有幾個風險點我在這邊替全國人民來告訴兩個機關第一個就是資料庫會不會變成黑名單這個很重要你不能 組黨不要跟我說不會啦 |
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現在國家在幹什麼我們不是不懂我們只希望國家能夠更有制度化因為人治的地方一定會產生風險我知道民進黨當年也是為了推翻人治的一些概念所以他才壯大也是為了民主嘛那我們不能讓國家走回回頭路我也不認為應該用政治黑名單來鉗制人民的思想所以 |
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第一個只要你們的邊界不清楚SOP不清楚人民都會被擔心列入黑名單再來就是你網路跟資料你怎麼收集因為我們台灣之所以讓中國大會的人很羨慕是因為我們有非常自由的一些言論我們在網路上面也很自由那你今天你要返回去走你是不是就應該要自我控制好 |
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我講啦你會不會到最後變成只要賴清德三個字你就跳回名單出來我是擔心這個點還有一個我在談之前有人寫了一個陳菊走了嗎那後來就被查辦嘛請問一下員警查辦是不是有法律依據 |
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那這個部分就是是不是善惑犯罪的這個狀況不是 陳菊走了嘛 跟善惑犯罪有什麼關係就是說她的這個散佈的這個訊息是不是正確那我跟你講啦就是說她是不是一個假的跟惡的跟害的這個狀況 |
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不是啊到最後法院根本不支持你們所以你現在的說法完全不合理所以那個案件是去做了解嘛調查了解到底有沒有這種背後是什麼樣的我跟你講喔有沒有假惡害的這個狀況人民不一定能接受這樣好不好就像反滲透法大量的人被用反滲透法查辦但是目前起訴的件數很少判有罪的更低到現在只有事件判有罪都還沒有確定但是大量的不起訴牽結 |
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這個對人民就是老民這對人民很多人會覺得這就是政治的無端受政治牽連政治攻擊所以這個不是在保護執政黨這反而害了執政黨讓執政黨背黑鍋所以你是偵查機關你們不能做這種事情因為國安是要保護人民不是防備人民那不要讓保護變成是監控人民那人民以為保護我人安全就後來我每天都活在恐懼之中這部分麻煩你們要注意千萬不要 |
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拿國安相關的法令來VVIP的對付人民不要把人民當作是犯罪者來對付我們保障國家安全我絕對支持強化國防我也絕對支持但是不能拿這個當理由不然最後我說啦不要讓關鍵字的搜尋變成無辜人民的手銬不要讓資料庫變黑名單啦 |
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兩個機關貴機關你們是圓釘圓釘在修剪花草的時候只是把花園裡面的害草那個有不好的草不漂亮的草我們把它剪掉你不能把自己變成除草機整個推過去好的壞的一起砍掉國家安全很重要但是請注意我們人民的權利很重要要有法律授權那請你們一個月內把這個資料給我那我在這邊有一個三大要求在PPT上面一個月內 |
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能夠把這個資料回覆給我好不好好謝謝主席 |