| IVOD_ID |
164393 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164393 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-20T09:51:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-20T10:01:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03f010abd9bb8d1b26572e541871ba6710dc7ddeacd8f6da83c966d97180d5d207257f5fd76a241a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
麥玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:51:36 - 10:01:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部、警政署署長、國家安全局、法務部針對「當前全國治安狀況與如何強化總統、副總統、中央政府機關首長及特定人士安全警衛作業，避免境外勢力或協力者影響國家安全」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席有請署長加署長委員好 |
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署長好再請教你一下在台灣失聯移工目前已經超過8萬人警政署統計包含失聯移工在內從2013年有1174件到2022年已達到4160件10年來增加超過3倍 |
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涉案移工累積總共就是超過兩萬人雖然法律刑責已經加重台灣本國籍犯罪者為了避免這個風險 |
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已逐漸不再親自涉案而是改為招募外籍人士來替他們執行高風險的任務這種狀況實質上已形成一種台籍犯罪的代理者承擔風險警政署是不是已經掌握這種 |
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代理型的犯罪的歧視還有沒有具體的防堵的策略防止就是犯罪集團利用外籍人士成為 |
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替罪工具對於幕後的本土主謀有沒有專案偵辦與數據的掌握這不只是治安的問題更是司法與人權保障的漏洞署長可以有這個數據委員講得很有道理就是對於是不是在國內有沒有這一些操縱者或者甚至跟國外的這一些的操縱者去對接對於外籍移工 |
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到臺灣的從事各類型的犯罪那這個部分是我們這個對於外籍人士在臺灣犯罪我們是作為偵辦的一個重點那我們尤其這個犯罪案例裡面特別我們現在可以明顯的就是外籍的在臺灣從事詐欺的這個狀況那甚至去做這一些的盜領盜伐林牧我們發現現在這兩個趨勢是最比較明顯的 |
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那我們現在也是朝台灣在籍的這些是不是有操縱者的這個集團來做一個偵查那我們也有這個偵查到的這些相關的案例如果委員我們事後再提供給委員來做一個參考好 |
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這個是我們其實就是要抓頭啦 這個委員的論調是對的就是頭誰在操縱這些外籍移工 沒錯 沒錯不管是台灣的這個操縱者或是國外的操縱者 是這個都是一個源頭 那也是我們偵查的最主要的一個重點那我們這個偵查的這個狀況的這個目前的這個結果我們是不是會有給委員來做一個參考 好 |
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麻烦你但是我最近也收到很多就是说关于这一块所以你们也有真的是来去做但是你们只要怀疑余力这个账户就很多新住民的账户他们就被冻结冻了半年一年但是完全也没有警察来找他们去做笔录没有他们全部冻结 |
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所以我現在最近有收到是這樣子所以我希望的是說你們要去抓但是抓頭但是不能說餘力因為我們現在就覺得移工啊這些他們就會有犯罪的嫌疑你們就凍結他們的賬戶但是這個是不是數據你們真真的要去找出來這個部分我們要要求的 |
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好第二個就是說在請教你因為現在很多新住民移工他們的語言不通所以資訊也不足所以根本沒有了解台灣的法律還有刑者所以結果犯罪集團就利用又當他們就是資訊的中介或者是傳遞一些資訊不足網路用跨境的網路你剛才有講 |
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所以我们目前有没有针对这种就是利用的风险刚才我也问你但是你说有数据但是说我们希望的是说建立防堵的机制还有具体的预防这样子的话才真正的达到这个目标 |
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好跟委員報告就是對於這個外籍工因為有各國的外籍工因為語言的問題我們也大概就是會把這些這個法律的這些相關的這個規定也有透過這些相關的移工的還有這些的團體或者是仲介公司的這些團體來做一個來做一個宣導跟施教那我想這個部分就是說有具體還是說請大家就是做一個宣傳還是說只是說啊就是呃發一個傳單 |
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風險的教育還有說警示的宣傳不能只是一個傳單中文的傳單這個部分大概不是只有透過檢證包括移民署的這些的相關的主管機關或勞動部的這一些的相關機關對於這個外籍到台灣來工作的這些相關法律上的一個教育訓練跟宣導這個都會做 |
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好所以我們希望就是不要再讓弱勢族群變成就是犯罪體系的替罪羊所以我們要請我們的署長跨部會的整個治安的方案不管是剛才你說的移民署勞動部警政署還是法務部我們要共同來去推共同來去看說法律的部分讓大家了解 |
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因為現在犯罪集團用各種方式之前我有質詢你的時候我也說拜託你你看看這些數據都是你們說的都是這些人要怎麼樣去有這樣的的數據但是問題在我們看到就是警政署報告的時候在2024年12月我們中央警政署大學發表的一個研究新住民在台 |
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收刑事及行政處罰的樣態 違反政策的研究內容指出新住民涉及刑事案件時 往往被社會貼標籤 就是容易犯罪的標籤這種現象不僅是造成污名化 也造成就是社會長期對新住民的 |
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刻板印象所以目前社會輿論與媒體報導常就是說因為外籍移工犯罪的機率印象比較高所以放大這樣子的一個負面所以導致就是擴散所以我們希望說在這樣子的公布犯罪的數據時我們的署長一定要去謹慎還有發言的時候避免大眾就是產生這樣子的誤會 |
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好 没有问题所以因为我们看到的就是他很详细就是从2007年我们的警察大学他看的超过200案件 |
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好 再給我一分鐘所以我希望說就是說在在涉這樣子的新住民的問題不會造成治安的問題但是呢在報導那中就說新住民犯罪多治安惡化的說法這個是無實際的基礎所以希望我們的署長有沒有要主動澄清因為我們看報告還有 |
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澄清說我們要跟媒體公布我們就先到說這個我們要納入教育體系但是你們也不能說別人的報告說你們的報告就是移工新住民因為不懂所以造成治安的問題 |
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但是台灣這邊有那麼多的數據對不對台灣本國人涉及公共危險罪高達五萬九千八百二十六件毒品犯罪案者有四萬七千五百二十件這些都不會成為本國的治安惡化嗎所以我希望我們的署長再回我你會不會對媒體就是要去 |
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要去主動澄清說他們新住民不是因為新住民犯罪惡化成為我們的國家治安的問題委員我特別強調我們對於這些的犯罪你們不會標籤化我們絕對不會標籤化好最後就是做一個結論好我最後一個結論我已經兩分鐘了大家恭喜 |
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是同仁OK OK我們希望我們今天不是說誰講話大聲或者是說我們要執行我們是找出問題解決問題因為我們每個人執行的時間我們執行的時間真的是有限但是我們希望解決問題 |
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我們希望我們署長要來一個明確還有是有規劃的一份資料給我可以嗎因為我們希望解決問題犯罪集團利用新住民移工但是我們署長我一直強調你要有一個新住民防詐的 |
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團隊來去解決問題真正採取的問題不是只是問題是解決問題 |