| IVOD_ID |
164374 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164374 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-20T10:17:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-20T10:30:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03f010abd9bb8d1b5bbb723125561b6288348e19566c842c83c966d97180d5d20b16ca848615eb905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:17:46 - 10:30:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 楊瓊瑜發言 邀請主委主委 |
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主委好我们首先来讨论我们的晶片产业下面请副总统日前他接受了CBC的一个访问那他也提出我们已承诺在美投资不只是台积电还包括整个生态系您知道这回事吗在他要回答这些事情的时候您知道这回事吗 |
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你知道這個答案嗎最不知道沒關係你告訴我就好因為我才上任一個月而已不管你上任不上任你現在是國防會的主委剛才我在主席台也建議你就你的專業那本席再強調在鄉府總統回答CBC之前您知不知道這件事情 |
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有一些媒體都有在說你是看媒體的嘛所以你不知道政府的方向是不是所以就是不知道那所以本席要請教他說台灣已經承諾在美國投資晶片產業不只是台積電還包括了整個生態跟其他的部分從供應鏈到設計商乃至其他晶片製造公司那台灣 |
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也與英特爾的這個美國來合作那要提升整個的生產力所以本席要請教 您現在是主委請教晶片以及製造供應鏈生態系是台灣我們產業競爭的重中之重 對不對 |
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是不是 是那現在不只是台積電來投資國家主導的整個整個生態系都要過去那副總統呢這個他沒有在國內說明那卻在外媒訪問的時候來透露來透露所以請問到目前為止行政院有沒有討論過有沒有討論過 |
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因為你已經上任一個多月了有沒有討論過你說台積電這個父母有因為那個副院長好像是生態系的產業包括整個生態系的產業已經承諾在美投資請教我們行政院有沒有討論過有沒有 |
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對 我們這個部分都有跟跨部會去做協商那剛剛委員提到不是協商 有沒有討論過就是跨部會的討論然後就整個那個生態系其實就是好像所以其實政府是本來就知道這個生態系要在美投資的一系列是不是沒有整個的話所有的那一個細節部分的話沒有像 |
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委員說得出的那種所有都知道 沒有 這只是一個概念性的沒有這樣 可是一個副總統接受到外媒已經宣布了他說我們已經承諾在美投資所以主委沒關係 你不用緊張你還不了解這一個事項 是不是 |
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裡面的有一些detail然後另外一個就是說我們對美談判我們國發會目前來講的話只是一個幕僚單位就是沒有直接參與談判本席不再同意你經常說我只是一個收建單位窗口我只是一個幕僚本席再一次強調您是國家非常非常重要 |
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的頭腦跟心臟你這個角色很重要所有國家的重大投資都必須在你整合所有的部會做成最後的決議跟行政院對不對 |
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是啊 所以你要看重你自己啊我們現在台灣產業碰到這樣子的一個重挫以及民企業界的一個壓力啊我們不希望政府只有聽到我只是一個收件窗口我只是一個幕僚啊 |
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我再次告訴你 依你的專業 是不是要請教您在討論我們整個國家產業的經濟的時候的項目你有沒有包括在剛剛我們討論的蕭副總統承諾在美投資的這些供應鏈有沒有納入在你這次剛剛報告的範圍之內 |
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有沒有供應鏈嗎我剛剛報告會比較像是著重在國內的發展就是國內的建設這一塊當然是國內的發展跟國內的建設啊因為他的生產鏈都會影響啊有沒有包括請你針對本席的提問 |
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我們這個部分有一些你有沒有包括你剛才說的你們有討論一個概括有沒有包括已經承諾在美投資的整個生態系的影響度有沒有包括有還是沒有影響度的評估嗎我們這個評估還沒有好那接下來本席要告訴你生態系的產值 |
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他的規模到底是怎麼樣對國內的影響到底是怎麼樣你們必須要去做完整的評估是不是會會我們會我們會接多久時間這個評估可以告訴國人多久時間這個評估可以告訴國人 |
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主委你今天是國防會的主委請你把時間告訴我因為台積電在1650億元的這個投資美國還一直要喊加碼甚至到3000億所以在這樣的情況之下到底到底我們會不會變成是推動晶片產業到美國的角色還是只是為了因應美方高額投資晶片產業的期待 |
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這個很重要對我國內的生產電視影響至極你在所有的評估如果沒有包括跟你剛才所說的沒有包括在這個上面那讓我們會很傻眼你怎麼辦法有辦法評估副總統這麼說你國防會不知情沒有納入這個元素那你的數據怎麼會正常呢多久時間評估告訴本席 |
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因為這個院裡面有一個專案小組是請問多久時間你國防會整合可以告訴本席這個部分我是不是委員讓我讓我跟那個副院長討論討論一下因為有一些討論一下沒關係你有一個方向你多久時間可以告訴本席三個月方便嗎不方便 |
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我們的傳統產業集的跟熱鍋上的螞蟻一樣耶副總統都已經說了為什麼還要拖到三個月你告訴我們方向就好了因為目前台美的談判還沒有一個很明確的所以整個做那個評估影響就是因為如此所以你國發會更應該要以本國的產業最大的立即點為站在這個立場嘛你站不站成本席所說的這一點 |
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贊成吧所以你多久時間可以告訴本席你們的評估納入這個部分會影響還是會更加的因為最主要就是說談判談判還沒有一個結果你剛剛所說的三個月可不可以提前 |
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你不用緊張你就三個月內你如果提早就趕快將素面資料給本席好嗎這個是對於我們的產業大家非常的緊張不應當到這裡來你沒有辦法回答大家的問題 |
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加油所以接下來本席要請教我們目前因為本席跟這個金管會在上個禮拜我們都提過也就是國防會呢我們受險的部分是36.9兆元那其中七成約2.這個 |
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兆元在投資在海外約七成他是25兆投資在海外那你國外會10月11號你的媒體也說你有兆元的投資國家發展那本席認為授權的部分應該可以將資金投入到我們的公共建設比如說成如我們的社宅我們的建設我們的長照我們的內燃等國內重大的這個投資的建設的契機所以本席要請教 |
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因為大家都承認我們長期缺乏國內投資的誘因以及它制度的一個調整所以本席告訴你上個禮拜監管會已經答應本席在年底前他們會提出這個方案 |
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所以本席要請教因為行政院一直喊說亞洲資產管理中心但是我們把資產資金都一直往外移一直往外移所以在這樣情況之下本席請問國發會想引回受險的基金那目前我們卻只有百億的規模百億的規模這個跟 |
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他的36.9兆元是落差非常的大這個不僅凸顯到我們整個政策的斷層也將措施的把這些資金的能夠導入在我們剛剛本席所說的不管是建設設宅長照以及綠能這些國內的重大投資所以國防會你是不是跟這個金管會去研擬 |
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具體的眼裡怎麼樣將資金可以留在台灣建設台灣請教國發會主委這個部分跟委員報告剛剛委員提到那個110那個只是基礎建設這個部分那陸續有一些業者在洽詢所以假如說我們搭配其他的推動方案就是說不光是基礎建設還有其他的一些工建所以換句話說不管工建長照設宅等等 |
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本席告訴你的是說 我跟你說他有30多兆 七成在海外你要有錢 你才有辦法去引回來你一直點頭表示你的看法跟金管會是一致的金管會已經在上個禮拜告訴本席是在年底的時候他會提出方案 那您呢 您呢你的方向 請做說明 |
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719.254 |
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就是在民间参与公共建设这个部分的话我们预期会达到2000亿然后在法规松绑调试这个部分的话我们希望会至少完成24件这样子法规松绑是什么法规松绑比如说像这一次的修法就是说我们把公共基础建设这一项特别拉进来对 |
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720.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
727.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
所以金管會是年底本期具體要求大家有這個共識你必須要去把你們的項目 |
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729.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
748.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
要怎麼樣的有條件式的誘因要趕快跟經管會達成這樣的共識協助國內的產業將這些資金可以回到台灣來而不是只有七成全部到國外去是不是這個方向你如果有方向把書面資料給本席謝謝 |