| IVOD_ID |
164373 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164373 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-20T10:21:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-20T10:34:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/03f010abd9bb8d1be197ab8d1473cfe5720e647d743851f483c966d97180d5d2b6269e3722f5e7cf5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:21:37 - 10:34:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請環境部、經濟部、農業部、內政部就「太陽能光電板案場環評機制與保護區廢棄物管理之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查
(一)委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(三)委員張智倫等17人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(四)委員王育敏等24人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(五)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(六)委員黃健豪等19人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(七)委員牛煦庭等25人擬具「噪音管制法第二條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
(八)委員羅明才等20人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
(九)委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
【專題報告及法律案採綜合詢答；法律案僅詢答】） |
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好 謝謝主席 有請部長請部長欸 劉元豪部長好部長你現在是目前未還主管三部會中重慶520還健在的部長你會不會擔心因為會太陽能光電板會摔得一大跤 |
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我這樣提醒你不是沒有原因啦齁因為你前面幾位的部長我大致上都有提醒過他們關電板的這個回收的問題嚴重啊大家好像好像都蠻樂觀 包含現在的環境部也一樣是樂觀的在面對這個事情那現在已經爆發了 |
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我覺得如果持續這樣的心態會很危險我是從2016年的10月質詢當時的林群院長以及林議員署長有關於太陽能光電板的回收去化的議題那2016年就已經知道2031年會出現第一波太陽能板的太萬潮 |
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但是我們2025年就今年丹麥斯颱風就已經造成了13.5萬片約2800公噸的太陽光電板毀損去化立即發生的問題嘛然後2025到現在再到2031還有6年6年的大限也差不多快到了會不會打破 |
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環境部原有的預估還有當時的這樣的一個規劃所以是不是要有很大很大的一個修正跟調整的一個空間我這麼講啦齁我這麼講你看嘛齁這也是部長你講的我是應部長的講法當時颱風發生之後造成損毀這麼多我們每個月可以去化2900噸理論上是應該可以消化這個這個碳能關電的潰板齁 |
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那主要的原因來自單一業者的態度消極延宕清運甚至於因為計較處理成本而此為互管才導致進度落後這是部長講的話那照理講明明都有回收基金嘛而且偏偏都有登錄喔都有登記然後又是暗藏業者然後再來環境部應該也找跟業者有做衝的溝通甚至在委員會也多次包含我們 |
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這一個屋頂型的我們都好像回答的都有相關的這樣的一個積極因應的有制度的機制不過那一次坦白講我問了兩次之後那個機制是到最後才比較肯定答覆我那現在面對這麼龐大的這樣的一個建制的量那基本上我們現在一個單次颱風好像就真的破功了雖然我們花了他900萬 |
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但是那個3萬光電板還留在原地沒有沒有沒有 早就清除到這個你早就清除是多早之前9月5號9月5號 對對好 那現在還有多少尚未清除全部清除了全部清除了那現在有1.2萬片它是放在準備站置區它準備去清除那那個是合法放置一般廢棄物的地方好我現在齁 我現在要再跟部長提醒一點就是說如果這次的颱風 |
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他是更加倍那我們可以在915號就完全處理清楚嗎 |
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這個可能你現在沒辦法答覆我啦因為要看那個狀況嘛如果它是2900多的兩倍有辦法在9月5號之前處理掉嗎因為當時颱風是7月份來嘛如果一個月的量是2800那應該也是要9月份就可以解決嘛邏輯上是這樣但是我們現在看到一個狀況目前台灣只有六家具有處理太陽光電的這個許可證的廠家嘛 對不對就是這廠家只有四家是甲級 兩家是乙級的 |
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我不曉得環境部能不能還有這樣的胸口撐住的把握來跟全台的人民百姓說未來還是有能力來積極應用這種太陽光電板壽命到最後期的大量的台灣草 |
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還有這個資訊嗎以現在這個家數來看包委員 其實因為這次因為這幾家大多數都是在北部那我們期待是有中南部也有一些業者那現在來看的話的確有兩三家的確有跟我們提出申請有這個意願來做這個事情所以我們會審慎的來規劃這個事情因為部長你從就任到現在其實你是也是 |
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環位的三個部位被肯定最多的啦謝謝因為你都很積極的在因應而且反應速度也很快但是但是這些太陽光電板我真的會擔心是是處理不好不妥當會導致你的你的你的這樣的一個聲譽會真的會很大的受損那你聲譽受損相對的 |
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也代表我們太陽能觀電的這些晦氣的量能處理得非常的讓人民無法接受嘛對不對我再補充一個資料我不曉得部長是不是有沒有掌握這樣的訊息一個足球場面積大約是7,140米然後2012年當時全國太陽能觀電板的建置大約是1,125個足球場 |
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你說截至到目前為止他們光電板已經在台灣建置幾個足球場的面積我們現在15GW啦,1MW大概是一公頃所以是一萬五千公頃左右所以我要去算一下足球場的面積是多少 |
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組長面積就是7140配妹啊 對不對那你再去乘以0.3 0.24嘛 對不對這個抓出來 差不多 差不多 委員長差不多1萬7千多截至目前經濟部公園院的統計已經高達1萬7723個足球場 |
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的面積這麼大,也整整在短短的九年間台灣的光電板覆蓋面積已經增加到15倍年增率35%比台積電還強總面積約1.26億平方米相當於台北市的總面積的一半 |
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真的不要再去說這個光電板20年的壽命問題或是這個天災人禍還有新階段幾乎已經是無法負荷的狀態全台只有4家甲級你環境部敢說這些有辦法幫你處理 |
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我覺得委員會也不敢幫你背書啊況且這些處理業者是全部都清空專門在等待處理他們的光電板嘛也不可能嘛 對不對那剛剛部長你打呼我 我是抱歉給你吐槽嘛你說9月5號已經處理完畢嘛你暫制的還多少 |
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暫制的還可以算是處理完畢嗎一萬兩千片 對嘛就是沒有處理完畢嘛只要是暫制的就不能叫做處理完畢啦應該是這麼說嘛所以我還是希望 我具體在這邊要求部長啦 |
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不要因為這個事情摔了一大跤可能依照你的處理的事情的態度要更積極啦更快速來做這個因應啦是不是兩個週內可以盤點出來就像你講的那些處理業者基本上都在北部嘛那你北中南是不是要快速的來做一些相關的盤點甚至有規劃性的來做一些鼓勵 |
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不要再到時候又有業者不積極配合還在嫌那個什麼成本不夠等等諸如此類的事情發生兩個星期內可以來來跟委員會再度的說明清楚你的規劃跟未來的這樣的一個部件嗎可以嗎好 謝謝你可能自己要立下軍令狀可能這個速度才可以趕得起來那第二件事情是這樣再過五天就10月25號部長知道是什麼日子嗎台灣關戶節沒有啦 跟你環境部有關 |
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臺灣國務卿我不會問你吧部長的懷念讓我有點汗顏12月25號叫做清潔隊員日對 好 OK國務卿謝謝部長答覆 |
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這是一個對你來講對全國的清潔隊員是一個非常重要的日子沒有這些辛勞的清潔隊員台灣的環境沒有辦法維持到這麼乾淨整潔啦但所以我們對這些清潔隊員我們都非常清楚他當然所屬是地方政府所轄管啦不管是一般的縣市市還是鄉鎮區公所來做這樣的一個管理但是部長知道嗎新北市政府現在對新北市的清潔隊員 |
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健檢補助增加5000首創惠部的篩檢也就是惠部低劑量的電腦斷層LDCT嘛好那我不會去要求部長說全國22個縣市就一致全部的經費就拉到一樣嘛因為但是我們也不能讓這個縣市有錢就有做那個縣市沒有錢就不用做這對清潔隊員來講好像好像一國多次 |
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那站在環境部身為一個主管機關我們要怎麼樣來因應這個事情報告委員因為我上禮拜也去頒獎我們傑出的優秀清潔隊員那我也非常感謝他們那其實我也關注到像包含了台北新北他們的福利跟其他的縣市是落差蠻大的 |
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594.725 |
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622.727 |
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我們這邊當然是希望說全國有一個歧義的標準但是這個清潔隊員他還是屬於地方政府的地方自治的項目我們現在第一個是在法規上面我們是希望可以盡量的歧義有一個平台也會希望各縣市的縣市首長能夠重視這一塊第二個如果我們中央可以做得到的話我們會努力的希望能夠再爭取一些經費當然這個跟地方的還是有一點差距所以我們會努力來做這個事情 |
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622.987 |
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645.969 |
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我要提醒部長做這件事情真的是非常有意義而且你站在環境部的最高的主管來看待這個事情照顧全國的清潔隊員課不容緩然後也不是說新北市有錢就來做那其他一般縣市我想這個惠部這個低劑量的斷層掃描基本上也符合賴總統在講的嘛他目前國建署衛福部的國建署就有針對高風險 |
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647.911 |
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676.833 |
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有家族死的 有肺癌家族死的還是這個吸菸有這樣的狀態的兩年一次就免會來做LDCT的這樣一個檢查那清潔隊長期暴露在這個粉塵高風險的族群裡面那我們台灣的肺癌又是國病的第一名全球的15名那國健署又要配合賴總統所推的健康台灣希望這個肺癌支持率可以下降到三分之一 |
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678.432 |
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706.418 |
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這一個特定的高風險的族群環境部的主管就應該來發聲要不要把他納入也是在免費的項目其中之一的對象這部長來喊這個話應該賴總統可以接受應該可以聽得進去嘛照顧全國所有的清潔隊員畢竟他們為我們台灣的環境每一個角落 每一個縣市 每一個鄉鎮公所他們扮演非常重要的角色他也是我們國家 |
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730.765 |
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我們政府的同仁也是我們的夥伴所以由你來發聲我覺得是最適當不過的是不是部長也可以來做一個承諾好 謝謝委員因為我也常常說台灣很需要台積電但是台灣不能一天沒有清潔隊員所以這個我也公開跟他們說所以我也在上禮拜我也跟他們的優秀的清潔隊員承諾我會來努力來爭取所以委員提出的建議我之前沒有特別想過謝謝委員 那我會來極力的來爭取 |
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733.246 |
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753.131 |
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好我希望部長能在你的任內啦對於清潔隊員的照顧有相關的這樣的一個進步與提升啦好不好這個還是要給我一點時間來做處理嗎我給你時間啦你要給我時間答覆啦你多久時間要可以來努力到一個月一個月好不好一個月內喔好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝劉建國委員發言人 |