| IVOD_ID |
164289 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164289 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T11:33:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T11:42:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6022c9f6d63255a3d6a1a5865732bdcbbc4230b8fec4a4bdd77ab6ef5aede898c5eb4435e8f3c8585ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:33:41 - 11:42:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝召委那我們是有請公平會我們陳代理主委我們請陳主委謝謝主委你身為公平會的主委當然就是要讓所有的制度尤其是一些就是要制度公平啦我跟前舉一個很不公平的事情 |
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超級不公平我剛剛從我們七樓衝來這裡我輸給我們張家俊委員因為張家俊苗條本身就速度會比我快啦可是我覺得還有最重要的原因我們這個立法院這個我們韓院長修理電梯修理好久好久 |
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然後你看他兩邊不公平這不公平的地方來了你看右邊這張照片是單數樓層單數樓層又多停B2跟B3左邊這邊是雙數樓層他只停B1沒有B2跟B3然後你看單數樓層12樓副院長的辦公室也停 |
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我宿樓當然有12樓所以你看單宿樓層就要承載更多的挺等待的時間來跟我們曾經的相親難道權益會比較低嗎 |
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這個真的不公平 拜託這個要跟我們韓院長這個真的反映一下 兩個老君也不公平 阿丹有夠久的立法院這樣的效率真的是不好好 言歸正傳 好可以了這個好好 主委我想跟你聊一下 |
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我們現在的電信業因為今年九月的時候遠傳跟台歌大宣布要取消4G吃到飽不限速的優惠他們宣布取消4G吃到飽這件事情 |
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基本上對民眾是很有感因為我們知道現在對於大部分的用戶來說4G都會覺得事實上是足夠我的生活的一個網路的一個服務所以覺得4G夠的情況之下我要生成5G那個費用就提升很多一倍有餘 |
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所以既然提升了這麼多的費用然後你現在說要取消4G吃到飽然後遠傳跟中華電信兩家就一起跳出來 |
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我覺得這部分一些決策的過程是不是公平會應該要也要表示一點意見呢我想這個取消的部分據我們的了解是如果消費者直接到門市的部分是可以被取消的應該是在經銷商那一塊才會取消那另外就是說剛剛委員關切的這個好像 |
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所有的這個公司都在同一個時間要同時取消當然當然這個如果有涉及到聯合聯合來調整或是變更甚至取消一些交易條件的話這不排除是有聯合行為但是因為因為我們就看數字嘛看數字我這個表裡面你看現在4G的用戶數 |
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不管是中華電信台灣大哥大和遠傳電信4G的用戶明顯都還大於5G的用戶那既然是明顯都還大於而且你看一家是690萬一家是580萬另外一家是470萬都這麼多用戶的情況之下然後你就冒難的說我要去變更你4G用戶的他的服務的一個條件這個條件事實上對於所有的使用者來說是影響很大的 |
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既然有這麼大的一個變更然後做出這樣一個決策我覺得這中間公平會應該還是要有角色我們當然就剛剛跟委員報告了如果有聯合去取消這些條件的話這個當然就違反聯合行為的疑慮但是如果個別的廠商基於他自己成本的考慮還有服務品質跟各方面的考慮他去做一些調整原則上公平會比較沒有介入的空間大概是這樣主委你要知道現在5G是這樣 |
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5G我覺得我們它的架設的進度是慢的尤其是在越偏鄉的地方它說是5G的服務事實上你看已經幾年了它已經運作了多久 5G運作多久了當時政府也是一個整個的一個他們去得標的金額也是有分配讓他們去建設5G你現在很多事實上它雖然叫做5G可是你一旦到了偏鄉到了山上還是到海邊還是跳回來4G |
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所以拖了這麼久的時間看起來5G的架設就是跟不上嘛跟不上大家的期待嘛那他們現在說要把4G逐漸把4G變嚴格那一定一個基本的想法就是覺得要希望大家提升大家都來5G未來可能還會有更新的更新的頻寬要出來立足點應該是這樣但是看起來現在4G沒有辦法跳到5G就一定有它的原因啊 |
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第一 費用太貴 第二 基本上5G服務的效率沒辦法超越到4G讓整個4G覺得說真的比人慢 比較不方便看起來就不是這樣啊 |
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我想這個當然是新技術轉換之間的一個對消費者可能產生一個震動期那這個的確是值得去關切的問題不過總統剛剛跟委員報告了從公平會的執法角度來看的話我們是比較關切有沒有聯合去做這樣的事情那至於說5G的進度 品質如何這比較不是公平會所能夠介入去處理的部分對 但是我比較在意他們現在要把4G的就是費用調整 然後服務也要調整 |
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這件事我是在意的啊看起來4G現在還是使用的大宗啊對啊但是他現在要去把4G的部分這個對消費者的權利就明顯的明顯的影響到了然後電信業者會同時間丟出這樣的訊息我覺得這件事公平會你要有角色啦我們會從我們本會的立場去了解這件事情後續的發展那我再另外一個議題啦就是我昨天事實上在這裡也有去跟農業部在反映現在 |
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你說齊了的價格不管是畜牧業或者是養殖尤其魚飼料的價格不管是哪一個品牌都飆升到底為什麼他們的成本是哪一端在提高因為我們知道現在國際玉米價格也下降了 |
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國際玉米價格下降照理說這個飼料因為他用了這個飼料的玉米啊怎樣應該要跟著價格也要下降結果沒有下降價格反而還提高事實上公平會在111年的時候也有針對國內啦這是針對魚飼料我當時候也有認為說他們同時漲價3塊涉及聯合行為111年 |
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那我現在我不知道 我沒辦法推斷有沒有聯合行為但是我看到的很多漁民 很多我們的養殖畜牧業者 都是跟我們說的起了 起了 會嫁小鐵哥起了會嫁小鐵哥 跟國際行情又奪不起來國際行情的價碼在下降 我們過來價格一直在提高這件事情我覺得我們公平會是不是也是了解一下 |
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剛剛委員談到的魚飼料這是我們處分的因為它主要是聯合的行為聯合去做一些就111年這一次嘛那委員我想關切的是說上游的原物料價格降低為什麼沒有轉嫁到下方這個問題那這個問題裡面有很多複雜的因素啦有些也不見得是公平會可以介入了因為中間的那個部分有涉及到不同的經銷成本還有相關的成本的考慮每個業者都不一樣啦 |
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不過我們還是會持續去觀察這個事實上他們的作業都一樣因為台灣在飼料這一塊就是雜糧嘛就是黃小玉嘛從過去以來就是一直都是仰賴進口啊所以他們唯一的波動就是國際行情上去啊現在國際行情是下降結果看起來他們的成本他們的對外的售價還是提高 |
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我是覺得這個了解一下我們在調查聯合行為過程當中也會去了解這些事情就是他們的成本的結構等等各方面的好 謝謝謝謝義瑜委員的資訊 |