| IVOD_ID |
164271 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164271 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T11:15:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T11:23:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6022c9f6d63255a38e5189ad668d98c9bc4230b8fec4a4bdd77ab6ef5aede89839c7ac6a666915c55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:15:05 - 11:23:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請代理主委陳主委我們請陳主委 謝謝 |
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主委 近年來多層次傳銷的在我們國內已經迅速的擴張了這個版圖那根據我們工評會在2024年多層次傳銷的這個事業經營的這個狀況的報告我們看到這個多層次傳銷它一年的銷售額高達了 |
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零五十五億所以是相當經濟的規模那多層次傳銷的管理法它現在都是用報備制在報備制的執行當中我們看到很多違法的情形變成是假傳銷徵吸金 |
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那我們舉例來說的話最近有發生這個爭議的就是愛美全球失業公司喔他在113年3月的時候跟我們公平會來做報備在今年114年7月的話就報停了所以我們很多民眾都質疑這個就是真詐騙那你們有沒有去關心到底受害者有哪些受害者損失的金額有多少有去做一個調查嗎 |
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還是你事不關己沒有 關於犯罪的部分我們已經有請法務部去進行調查那至於艾美公司這個行為有沒有違反多層次傳銷辦法我目前已經有立案的調查立案調查所以你對於受害的人有多少或者是金額有多少不知道 受害人是有一些數目的225人225人 金額呢總共是7900萬7900萬因為我們看到 |
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公平會針對於這個我們整個多層次傳銷裡面你要看到的是不時廣告然後跟消費者有糾紛的所以在這種情況之下你們要去執行這個管理辦法的話要怎麼樣去深入執行才能夠保護到 |
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這個傳銷商又能保護到消費者這是讓你們公平會要去執法的部分可是我們沒有看到公平會有確實去執法那尤其是我們看到這個114年8月報備的廠商傳銷商有384家這5年來總共發生違法的就有111件等於3家就有1家違法所以為什麼不能把報備制改為許可制我們嚴格管理一勞永逸 |
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我想因為當初法律我們這個多層次傳媒剛剛有採取報備制主要是在尊重市場機制跟一定程度的監管之間取得一個平衡啦因為畢竟這個是一個行銷的一個方式我們原則上還是要尊重業者之間的願望主委你們還是老是說法啦就尊重市場機制競爭公平的方式但是你是執法單位你要怎麼樣去嚴格積極的去執法 |
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你要說出來在現行的法規之下報備不報備變更報備不來報備這個我們都有處分就是你如果被如果有這樣違反多層次傳銷管理辦法規定我們都是會依法來處理所以諸位多層次傳銷的管理辦法第38條裡面的設立就是多層次傳銷 |
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保護這個基金會你們設立這個保護基金會對不對就是傳銷事業跟傳銷商當中有任何糾紛的時候你們可以來訴訟幫忙訴訟跟待場的待位求償的部分嘛這些你都會來做對不對但是我們看到我們384家裡面我們的傳保會裡面完成的只有189家有做輔導佔的比例還沒有過半 |
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所以有繳納這個保護基金的傳銷商也只有2634人佔比不到1%所以 諸位你怎麼去嚴格執法呢跟委員報告一下這個輔導的部分因為大的傳銷公司他們機制本身內部都有相當完整的一個輔導的機制所以未必會來運用到傳保會這方面的機制那但是我們會積極的跟傳保會來合作看如何去輔導這個業者 |
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主委我特別去研究這個保護基金會這保護是要保護誰傳銷商那為什麼他們都不來交保費保護基金的會費你們設定叫保護基金講起來就好像保護費那他們發生事情了你們實施了什麼功能去保護他們 |
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就了解就是他們沒有繳這個費用基本上還是可以實施所以大家不用繳你還會保護他嗎如果一年的產值的話有20億要繳400萬的保護基金欸不低欸 不少欸但是你沒有保護到他們啊 |
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沒有保護到他們啊所以他們沒有來幫你繳這個保護基金也沒有來跟你繳保護費也沒有來繳會費都沒有所以質疑了公平會的能力效力是不是 |
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我想就剛跟委員報告了那個輔導的部分除了這個船保會在做的以外其實大規模有制度的所以這整個市場的機制有問題了可不可以改為許可制每一年每一次委員都會問你可不可以改許可制為什麼不能改許可制重點審查一撈永逸不然你看你報備了這麼多家384家就111家都違法 |
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你能如何處理你們的功能就等到見報發生了再來做亡羊補牢也沒有辦法處理所以許可制是一勞永逸 敢不敢沒有 其實平時我們都來做業務的調查業務的一個督導啦這個我們隨時會注意到有沒有所以要回歸到源頭啦只有許可制才可以從源頭來管理管控還可以控制整個機制不然的話真的是假傳銷真詐財你沒有辦法防範欸 |
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那你要討論 我就請教你一個問題好了消費者今天如果遇到廣告不實所導致的消費糾紛請問他要跟哪一個單位來投訴請問消費者發生這件事情要跟哪一個單位來投訴 |
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如果它是不實廣告的話 當然我們是要受理是公平會 那是消費糾紛呢消費糾紛就是所以消保會嘛所以消保會跟公平會功能是不是重疊了我想還是不太一樣 不實廣告讓消費者損失它發生消費糾紛耶 這是一件事情兩個單位 你們永遠在互踢皮球嘛 |
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所以大家合併好了啊消保費的部分比較傾向於個案跟個別消費者受害而且消保費的立場會比較傾向於保護消費者就是有不死廣告才會有消費糾紛嘛我拿到東西 我的權益受損了嘛 |
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但是本會處理不實廣告是從市場不公平競爭的角度去切入啦那跟消保會還是不太一樣主委我認為還可以是原意啦是不是要合併啦反正你們人員7個人現在有5個人啦那消保會的話也是啊所以你們的功能是一樣重疊不如研議看看可不可以合併讓你們的功能可以發揮讓你們的效率可以達到保護我們的傳銷商我們的消費者好不好謝謝委員指導我們會再注意這個問題 |
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谢谢 谢谢李玉玲委员的咨询 谢谢 |