| IVOD_ID |
164270 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164270 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T11:07:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T11:21:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6022c9f6d63255a3681cd5fda80371029ba2ba11b833fe0ad77ab6ef5aede8983af37138b611437b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:07:45 - 11:21:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲率所屬機關首長暨國營事業董事長、總經理(含各轉投資事業機構公股代表之董、監事)列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席我請財政部莊部長我們請莊部長委員好莊部長早安這個我先前好幾次質詢在跟您提到就是說你有一項很重要的工作就是這九大公營行庫的管理 |
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那麼九大公營航庫的董事長總經理都是由你下去派的那麼九大公營航庫的董事長總經理的派任你不但要對他們的人品能力非常了解而且應該適時的對他們的成績要做出一些管考這才是正確的那如果成績一吃 |
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沒起色 起不來那麼是不是要考慮換人那很清楚我們預算中心有將銀行這幾點最重要的就是關於資產報酬率還有權益報酬率ROA ROE那麼做了一個比較結果比較 |
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我們所有銀行37家銀行的ROA ROE之下竟然我們公營行庫在資產報酬率跟權益報酬率這部分竟然低於全國的平均數那麼 |
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全國在113年銀行平均的ROA是0.76ROE是10.55結果在ROA只有一家只有一家兆豐是 |
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在平均值之上ROE當然有多了幾家義營 華營 中小企營也在平均值之上但是其他的公營行庫卻低於平均的這個ROA ROE |
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而讓我不解的是公營行庫在資本額在總存款額在資產額都是遠高於民營行庫結果這麼龐大這麼優勢尤其公營行庫設立都在早年 |
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有的你像台銀、義銀、華銀、張銀那從日本時代開始他們早年在全國各地就有設銀行了所以他們的各分行在各縣市取得都是最好的地點最好的營業地點結果你表現出來的權益報酬率 |
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這個竟然還輸給民營銀行這我想不懂啦所以 你看法呢 |
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你覺得這個有什麼方式去刺激他們你認為 認不認為這是這些董事長總經理的事任的問題是 跟委員報告我們宮古武漢庫的董事長總經理其實我們都有定期的一些考核定期上都會做考核那績效也是其中的一個項目那也會請他們要針對於所謂的獲利的部分能夠更有 |
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更有一些作為譬如說最近所推動的高資產財富的管理還有那個金控的雙引擎跟銀行的雙翅膀這個策略都有一些成效但我們也不可諱言的在公股航空庫裡面他也擔負了有關相關的政策任務的一些配合部長 好 你說他們也擔任了有關的政府就是他們配合政府的政策就對了好 那我就舉例 |
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他們有一些莫名其妙的炸貸案、貿貸案金額都那麼大有的上百億貿貸案還有炸貸案還有那種有史以來最高的炸貸金額這個472億之多這個叫做配合政府政策嗎我講的這個潤銀啦潤銀這個就是炸貸案啊用假發票炸貸 |
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結果損失的工銀行戶華銀、土銀、義銀、和庫、兆豐、台灣企銀這六甲都是工銀行戶不打緊華銀、義銀還是模範銀行耶 天啊結果搞成這個樣子 |
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核庫的問題 那個先前核庫有一位董事長廖燦昌他還涉入我們國家重要的獵雷艦這個炸彈案獵雷艦本來是我們國家最需要的國防很重要用途的一艘艦 |
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那你知道嗎 碰到慶富造船那這個是炸彈結果帶頭的主辦銀行就是核庫好啦在廖燦昌搞了這個鬼以後下台被檢察官被法院司法調查調查沒多久欸財政部又把他派任了一個更大的銀行派第一金空給他當董事長所以啊 |
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他又去搞了一個清復搞完搞亂贏所以用人如此不當然後這個我又查了一下吼廖三昌在他和庫任內除了這個那個炸彈那個裂雷箭之外吼他當時啊還計畫 |
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貸款給泰設智善園這個案子這個案子啊 現在也爆發了總貸款金額87億多現在呆帳56億 呆帳56億好啦 專搞這些飛機他走了 他何苦走被調查那何苦底下的人就不敢放了不敢放了 同樣這一批人 |
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連同他們的副總謝娟娟就到了土地銀行去就原原本本把泰設治善園這個案子搬到土地銀行去結果土地銀行變主辦銀行然後又去放了那些錢所以部長這些當然還要繼續法辦中我希望不只我追蹤司法單位去查我希望你也追蹤那以這一些來講 |
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你看這些你如果把他們的董事長總經理這些背景交互交互去了解的話一下子都是在銀行街上班都在重慶南路都從這個總行總經理調到那個總行當董事長從那個總行董事長調到某個銀行又去當董事長他們成天上班就在那個地方那不是不好但是 |
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宮古行庫掌握了我們國內這麼重大的我們可以說我們人民絕大多數辛苦賺來的辛苦錢大概都是在中古行庫裡面那麼龐大啊台銀就六點多兆其他各銀行各行庫都三四兆以上啦這麼龐大的金額在他們手上結果他們這麼輕忽 |
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甚至私下有勾結所以對於公營行庫董事長總經理他們的品德操守還有能力品德操守要在能力之上為什麼你好的制度的話銀行裡面監督的機制很好的時候那麼品德一定要第一能力大家共同一起努力的能力效果會呈現嘛 |
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所以我希望你略行性的能夠去查一查好不好對委員的指教很適對那這一次這九大公文安護他們應該都有來了是都有在現場你最近你就把他們再考核一遍那把最後成果怎麼樣成績怎麼樣跟我講一下好不好其實您等一下我請那個時間暫停我請那個時間先暫停那個郭參署曾署長曾署長 |
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你好曾署長你上來之後你是個老實人你做的你對於我們國產署所轄管國家的這些土地不動產你確實有做的清點也確實做的不錯不過有新的問題產生就是我們這些國有土地因為可能管理 |
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太鬆散了分布在全國各地那我們沒有辦法就是每一塊都去管理的那麼良善結果就被一些惡劣的 |
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恶劣的这些建商这些废弃物请到商那他们就去从我们国产土地去下手我去查了一下我们在树林的社宅跟在细子的社宅竟然要开工以后发现说这两个下面都是很多医疗废弃物化学废弃物建筑废弃物结果导致这两个工程竟然现在是放弃 |
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那我另外又查了一下我們全國現在待清理的土地就是被亂倒廢棄物的土地有248筆面積有60.25公頃我認為這個部分第一個我們中央一定要訂出 |
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國產署一定要訂出怎麼樣管理不要再讓這些土地被外來這些不當的去清盜他們把好的土先挖掉去賣那還其次喔結果再來盜他可以盜得更多這個是很惡劣的事情那第二個是不是結合地方政府 |
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因為這四扇在全國22縣市那中央既然只能圍籬只能架設簡單的監控系統那是不是也結合地方政府他們在各重要的產業道路各重要的道路節點他們本來就有一套監視在那至少可以追出這些源頭要去傾倒這麼多 |
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要去挖掘這麼多的土地那這一定要大型機具所以也一定是大型車輛這樣的情況下地方政府他們的監視系統其實有辦法幫我們做很多監控的工作好不好 |
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簡單跟委員回覆一下第一個這些利用現有的科技包括中央入口熱點甚至衛星影像無人機的部分現在都是陸陸續續引進過來剛剛提到過有那麼多列管的位置有一些早期都是 |
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所謂的地方政府的掩埋場剛剛所提到兩個社宅基地的部分都是其他機關移交因為有一些在做土地要移管之前像包括重劃就把那些土石方或甚至營建費器物就地掩埋 |
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所以我們現在在點交土地的時候我們都要先去做試挖如果土地乾淨了我們才會收減少它的被廢棄物污染或是堆置的這些數量好 訂出阻止這個事情惡化的方法持續再辦理好不好是 謝謝委員謝謝王委員接下來我們請楊瓊英委員 |