iVOD / 164265

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IVOD_ID 164265
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164265
日期 2025-10-16
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-4-19-4
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 4
會議資料.會次 4
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 經濟委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2025-10-16T10:50:19+08:00
結束時間 2025-10-16T10:58:21+08:00
影片長度 00:08:02
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 陳超明
委員發言時間 10:50:19 - 10:58:21
會議時間 2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議(事由:邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 主席好 首先我們請公平會陳代理主委我們請陳主委 謝謝陳主委你早陳主委好 今天聽來聽去第一個我要請教你一個問題關於多層次的行銷 好像這個問題一直存在
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 那多層次的行銷以前就是老鼠會一層轉過一層來賺這個差價的錢來累積這個利潤那像老鼠會一樣的話就是以前啊由美國的安利公司引進進來所以造成一段時間的一個轟動他只要再賺這個資訊差
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 其實這個演變裡面啊你仔細看到台灣的詐騙集團所有的子資有很多都是根據多層次行銷在做事一層一層的缺乏那今天這個問題資訊時代那麼發達
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 那我們的網路行銷或是電商已經這麼普及了所以你這個多層次的行銷我覺得人都能接受網路的行銷各方面這個不要多層次
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 不一定要學一個美國人美國公司安利公司所帶來的因為以前我們是他們講什麼我們做什麼我認為多層次的行銷稍微改一改名次改一改定都兩層三層不然這種惡劣的風氣不時的現在一直存在考慮一下基本的原因在這個地方你看我怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 現在資訊是很快的我知道 跟委員報告一下這業者要用幾成來行銷這是我想業者營業資源我真的講 該改的時候改這有時候引起了很多投資的詐騙其實這個根源都在從這邊發生了大家了解這個結果好好考慮 好好構思 好好改變
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 我們基本上都有在監管你都有 我相信你不然你現在會留著當代理執委什麼時候要升如果提名的人選像你這樣的話我們就會直指通過了好不好再來你們只要公平教育法裡面遏止
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 限制的競爭不公平的競爭其實高通事件我一直在講這個世界越大的公司台灣都不敢得罪什麼就好像高通現在在中國大陸被調查歐洲也跟他罰款日本也跟他罰款韓國也跟他罰款只有台灣最特別
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 划了7億美金210億你曉得高通在台灣的對手聯化科四星沒有得到補治7億美金他說用來補償那這個案子啊已經大概在112年結束了那我們政府也沒有擔當
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 國科會 經濟部 國科會政府說很好他帶來很大的利益美國人是很現實的是講利益的所有200多億要是給台灣幾家公司來做來研發還留在台灣你們寫出來的報告裡面到底實際的成效是怎樣國科會講好
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 經濟部講好 我相信他們不敢講不好但是你公平委員會竟然沒有表示一件到底好不好我覺得莫名其妙所以這個地方大家不敢得罪 為什麼你們裡面有兩個
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 那個公民教育落選的話 都是跟這個案子有關係除了李美職委 另外那個落選的跟前年 跟這個都有關係所以這歐羅博借不得這樣做 專門求台灣人你以外的人 不以這麼好好研究我一直對這個案件 我覺得非常地不滿
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 这个世界变成大则恒大以台湾的立场什么都不敢讲美国来讲日本来讲欧洲来讲我们就乖乖的投降找他们来我希望你有肩膀一点有担当一点
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 以後看到這樣的情形不要說有人在那個 你們不表示意見這個公平 你們的委員就當不成了你看我怎麼樣我想高通的案子我們會持續觀察如果他還要濫用市場體會的行為我跟你講 那個公司是很你去問電子業是很二把賣多少都要要求他的條件你問他獨佔的市場
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 再来今天很多人问到关于生存式AI还有AI政策问题容然跟高通一样大则宏大他把基本的地毯盘好了但是这一些就是要靠台湾来生产的伺服器晶片才有办法造就他们的王国
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 这里面已经发生了一个问题像马斯克对苹果跟OpenAI提告为什么他认为苹果iPhone不公平的偏袒OpenAI的那个聊天的机器人ChapGPT的时候这个已经在形成了那台湾占有重要地位我们政府在推展
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 我們生成AI還有邊緣AI的運算我們自己也要一套把台灣的地位建立起來這幾年可能會投資幾千億在這個邊緣AI的邊緣運算跟生成的AI運算你太早來研究這個這個你制定下來不一定他們會照我們的因為這個已經很其實很明顯就是
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 歐洲、中國大陸、美國已經開始在打拚這個市場看誰在領先債但是我覺得你關於法律的規定你們要去抓的時候多考慮台灣一點台灣現在正在要蓬勃發展
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 而且要把生存式AI跟邊緣AI當為台灣另外一個軟體的主力在我只是說建議你好好考慮一下你丟出問題表示你很關注但是你一定要收集好不要以外國的標準來用台灣的標準
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 我們要稍微照顧台灣怎樣標準台灣好事列在我們的法規裡面如果我們先列在前面我們就有抵擋 抵抗的效率在我想這就是為什麼我們要做公開徵詢然後收集意見以後當然在整個過程當中我們會特別關注這裡面也有我們排除你記得法令不一定在歐美我們有一個毛病因為歐美那個是最先的法令都沒有想到台灣因為未來我們自己發展的一個環境在
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 好不好先綁在前面照顧AI一點有力的我們先列在前面不要前半被他吃掉好不好這個是立法一個非常重要的一個精神在好不好你努力加油謝謝謝謝陳聰明委員的諮詢謝謝主委