| IVOD_ID |
164255 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164255 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T10:16:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T10:26:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6022c9f6d63255a382fdee3828959772bc4230b8fec4a4bdde83ed45c59a17eb6631682cceb1dba85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:16:06 - 10:26:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝先請公平會陳代理主委我們請陳主委謝謝委員長主委早主委那個我看了第三會議跟第四會議你們的所謂的工作報告與業務報告我覺得好像有點刻意 |
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要在呈現方式要規避或者避免立法院的監督為什麼我這樣講因為很多都是過程的描述沒有實際數據很多只是很抽象的敘述 |
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然後並沒有這個到底你裁罰多少然後主動立案有多少然後有多少集合申報準駁的比例等等我們需要是一個量化的數據不過量化數據當然事後跟你一樣可以但是你要提供給大家去做一個檢視嘛除非你們沒有這些相關數據資料或者你們數據資料很蒼白 |
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你才不願意去呈現出來用一些文字的描述抽象的敘述去說你們做了哪些事情所以三四會期都是這樣的報告內容我覺得是不是下個會期你們的報告我認為我建議是應該做一些調整那個跟委員報告委員所提到的這些相關的數字量化其實我們都有啦都有一些統計只是說因為在這邊的業務報告基於時間等等的考慮時間 |
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時間不夠充裕嗎沒有 就是我們當然書面上的呈現是沒有問題所以委員會建議我們會納入考慮這本來就你應該要呈現不是說時間問題不是你可以決定時間問題主席就願意讓你做報告嘛而且我們是要需要你這個提供的數據才做一些才能對你們的工作績效做一些的監督是 我們下一次的報告就會比照辦理就是把這個相關的量化資料把它放進去而且你要有成效的報告 |
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那KPI要有一個詳細的KPI的這個制度每一個你的施政項目都有個KPI的標準結案數、主動立案數、拆罰件數跟金額然後移送哪些單位比如說不實廣告關於藥品類關於這個保健食品類你要移送給衛福部對不對移送幾件 |
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我就問這個例子每天都看到這個電視頻道都有這個大量這高密度高頻率長時間的所謂介於模糊這個地帶的保健食品具有這個誇張療效10秒鐘就入睡 |
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這個也是不實廣告啊 對不對是啊 我們有處理過我們有處分過一些案子是你處分嗎有些案子是我們處分就是說他做不但誇張的 |
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你搞不清楚狀況沒有 療效的部分是衛福部啦但是我很清楚但是你處分有這些不實廣告針對這個保健食品或者藥品的嗎沒有吧我是要你提供你移送多少件數給衛福部嘛是這些你都要呈現出來啊我才知道你到底針對不實廣告做了哪些事情是 這個我們在下一次我們會提供我看不用等一下下一次你這個會後就應該提供給我們 |
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我是不想用這個臨時提案來寫這本來就是應該你要呈現的你說你都針對不實廣告做了哪些事情相關部會 比方說這個內政部管理這個不特產品銷售 房屋銷售你們移送了幾件 裁罰了幾件然後這個衛福部主管的藥品或者保健食品你們移送了幾件嘛 |
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這些你都要呈現出來啊我才知道你的績效到底符不符合這個這個大家的期待嘛你用一些抽象的概念抽象的文字敘述我覺得這個我沒有辦法去判斷你到底做了哪些事情所以這部分我希望說 |
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主委你可以再檢討一下我們會改進我們會把這個東西納入我希望說下個會期這個呈現一定要以數據為主而不是你用列舉的方式把你的這些業務項目呈現出來很精確的把每一項數據說出來另外你們這個每年春節或者是中秋有執行農畜與重點民生物資的產銷試礦調查 |
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這個部分今年中秋過了嘛是那你們有召開房市人為操縱物價專案小組會議嗎有有有那會議的結論呢就是我們在中秋節去查過了嘛目前物價還算是並沒有出現有所謂聯合壟斷烘台物價的情況也是聯合是你們聯合還是聯合各縣市政府這是我們自己查的我們自己查了幾次 |
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我們查了一個月的時間啦 就是分批去查那有沒有查核報告我們有查核報告啊 有我們公布在網上什麼時候去查 你說查了一個月 查了哪些品項這些都有 有你要提供出來啊我們是不是會後可以給委員針對中秋啊 你們執行這個民生物資產消失亡調查的狀況 |
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你們要提供一個比較詳細的資料寫那麼多的工作的項目到底你有沒有做好有沒有做對另外啊第三個問題請教深層式AI是未來一個你們的一個競爭的一個模式這些你們要跟國際合作然後你們要有前瞻性的這個相關的政策準備你們現在準備的進度怎麼樣這個徵詢外界意見就是我們在收集 |
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各界的意见什么时候会有一个初步的一个方案出来领选征询的阶段已经结束了我们现在会诊意见那会诊意见以后我们会提到委员会去讨论那时间表要有啊 |
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因為要經過委員會討論所以就比較難有一個區別委員會是你召開的啊是沒錯但是委員的意見會不一樣那總要有個時間表你不能這個無限期之後之後我還在蒐集意見 蒐集意見這甚至AI是瞬息外面每天都有新的進展我們蒐集意見已經結束了我們現在是在延續這些意見然後在跟公平法的關係然後我們會送到委員會去討論 |
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那最後是什麼樣的成果最後我們要看延續出來的結果怎麼樣就是看是不是要制定一個比較明確的原則或是執法政策方向等等這類似像這樣一個文件這個不要拖這是你們的業務我知道深層視野也很重要是所以趕快把我們會盡快的規定準則把它訂定出來是 我們會盡快另外你這個國際交流的部分呢國際交流有沒有實際成果 |
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因為我剛剛在報告有談到我上個禮拜從巴拉圭回來就是我率團到巴拉圭進行這個雙邊的會談為什麼選擇加拿大跟巴拉圭因為我們主要是跟他們簽訂有這個所謂雙方的MOU啦像巴拉圭是去年簽的啦簽的MOU我們跟巴拉圭之間雖然是邦交國但是過去有一些這個所謂國際合作的這個相關的案件調查嗎 |
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454.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
473.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
目前巴拉圭是還沒有但是像加拿大美國我們其實都有一些交流我比較重視跟我們貿易比較相關的這些主要貿易國日本東協國家巴拉圭也是重要因為邦交國非邦交國的部分你要去怎麼樣利用你們的交流 |
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474.44 |
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495.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
交流不是只有去交流之后回来就写个paper写个报告就结案你交流之后你要建立合作的机制才有意义啊交流之后一定要有具体的成果比方说你将去加拿大你去美国你要去谈的目标是什么未来我们要有一个什么合作的机制有人员的护防个案的资讯的共享这个都是在MOU里面会提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
496.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
521.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
所以如果將來有些案子是涉及到跨國之間的我們可以透過這個機制來討論像日本我們前陣子有跟他開視訊會議就是在討論這種案件或是處理原則彼此之間經驗的分享這個都有 新加坡等等經驗分享是交流啦我的意思是說要有一個合作的機制出來裡面有一個想法就是說我交流完之後下一步是什麼我常常想說交流之後要有更多的意義啊 |
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521.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
548.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
否則你交流後面有更多的作為否則你交流一點意義都沒有要把那交流成果彼此互相認識有互信然後這個交換意見之後我們要有一個很完整的一個未來合作的一個方案每一個國家都要這樣去看待我想這個在MOU裡面我們都有要求或者說我們之間彼此都有要求你跟幾個國家簽了MOU什麼你跟幾個國家簽了MOU十個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
551.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
561.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
哪十個你知道嗎像這個處長你來報告你們認為很重要如果我是主委的話我十個我都會記得起來 |
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562.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
585.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
跟委員報告我們今天目前有跟日本印尼還有這個斯瓦帝尼還有加拿大還有日本還有這個巴拉圭澳洲紐西蘭這些東西我們都彼此之間簽有一些合作主要跟我們在經貿合作比較密切的被邦交我這個才比較重要因為才才有可能產生合作嘛是你這個合作才有意義啊 |
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586.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
614.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
所以我要去給你們一些建議往一些工作的方向做一些調整而不是做一些文字的描述沒有具體的成果沒有具體的成果我就沒有辦法去檢驗你的績效還有未來工作的方向你們要知道說交流不是交流完之後就沒有了就沒有任何後續交流之後你要下一步就是合作那合作你要一個合作的方案是什麼這你們要去思考的而不是我幫你們思考謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
616.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
617.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
謝謝邱志偉委員的質詢 |