| IVOD_ID |
164241 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164241 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T09:29:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T09:38:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6022c9f6d63255a34074a14cc8cec1dbbc4230b8fec4a4bd5dd201981b308a8757ff7adbaa11be625ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:29:37 - 09:38:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席我是不是請一下陳主委我們請陳主委謝謝 |
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主委好主委我想這個每次談到公平會就會有很多其實大部分我們都會談到這個直銷到底這個直銷多層次傳銷管理法有沒有法律漏洞有沒有問題對於公平會來講你們能夠掌握的程度又到哪裡我相信每一次只要你們到立法院來備詢都會面對到很多委員的這個提問 |
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主委你知道這家公司嗎我最近才聽到最近才知道聽說最近蠻紅的不過今天各大媒體都在報導因為這家公司的董事長涉嫌掏空公司所以這家公司已經幾乎是面臨倒閉 |
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那這個涉嫌掏空公司這個另外有法令去處理為什麼今天在這裡問你們因為他是一家直銷公司他的入會會員要繳八萬八千塊然後呢還有商品進貨價等等會員轉售可賺取價差公司另外獲利抽成8到12%的獎金這就是明顯的傳銷公司嘛直銷公司可是這家公司現在 |
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出現了一個大問題那公司涉嫌掏空六億董事長也坦誠犯刑我要跟你談的是那下面的這一些會員怎麼辦血本無歸在我們多層次傳銷管理法裡頭有沒有辦法來幫助他們這個等一下請回答另外我們常在講多層次傳銷的假投資真詐騙 |
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其實是層出不窮除了這一家公司以外還有另外一家叫做愛美全球這一家呢前一陣子也倒閉了倒閉了之後呢不到多久在同一個地址又出現了一家叫做世紀全球又出現了一家叫做世紀全球公司 |
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兩家公司的地址是一樣賣的產品是一樣只是公司負責人換掉了那自救會呢愛美全球的自救會去上門去討債去尋找這個債主但是所求無門啊主委你們知道這些事情嗎我知道 |
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你們知道 那你們有沒有主動介入調查你們現在調查的結果 調查的程度到哪裡可不可以來這裡簡略說明一下 |
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首先針對第一個案子那個部分掏空的部分我們有去了解當然後續我們還是持續觀察有沒有違反多層層傳銷管理辦法規定那我們了解基本上是掏空公司還有公司股東之間的一個股權的爭議那我們有問過他們目前公司了解一下我們目前公司的營運狀況目前還是正常但是我們事後還是會持續去觀察看有沒有涉及到傷害到這個傳銷商的權益的一些事項那第二個案子 |
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當然涉及違法吸金的部分這部分我們向來都是由法務部依照犯罪行為來處理那關於委員所關切的這些問題我想委員也知道在多層次傳消在公平會的報備制度底下我們要求他提供資訊在他設立的時候必須提供資訊我們要確認這個資訊的真實性 |
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那當然如果後續他是不是片面的去改變他的資訊的內容理論上來講他一定要跟我們報備如果你要變更產品你覺得他如果片面改變資訊內容他會跟你們報備嗎這個報備這個報備制其實我們在這邊討論很久到底多層次傳銷是要用使用報備制還是使用審查制這個兩派的說法論戰非常的激烈但是眼前看到的多層次傳銷 |
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的管理報備制的管理顯然出現了極大的漏洞跟極大的問題而且這樣子的多層次傳銷變成是假投資真詐騙的事情層出不窮喔對你們公平會來講你們叫做疲於奔命啊那你手上也沒有上方保健可以去處理他們就算你要處理你的量能基本上也是不足的就你公平會來講你每年只能積查100家左右100家已經很了不起了 |
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那全台灣報備的 或者是全台灣在做這些直銷的大概有幾百家 幾千家你們量能在哪裡你每次都是講我事後知道 看到報導了知道或者是立法委員在這裡質詢你的時候你知道然後呢 你給他裁罰 對不對你會給他裁罰 你會去調查那裁罰了以後呢 |
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我們事後的裁法當然像這個案子我目前已經有在立案調查調查這個事情那當然事後調查以後我們還是會持續的做這個業務的監理了解他有沒有按照我們當初裁法所要求來做那第二個案子的部分我想委員建議的這些相關的 |
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积极的一点的一种报备的一个制度这个其实还是回归到我们刚刚委员谈到的报备许可制的问题其实我觉得现在已经走到这个阶段我们应该认真的思考包括你们公平会应该认真的思考到底多层次传销是不是要再持续使用报备制如果把它改成审查制对于消费者或者是对于这些会员来讲 |
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是不是會比較有保障而且對於你們的監管是不是會比較與法有據這個是你們要認真考慮的一點我再來跟你講第三個案子你剛剛講到那些不管是報備 審查我現在跟你講到第三個叫做強迫推銷 |
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街頭強迫推銷過去你們曾經對一家叫愛妮雅的化妝品集團因為他這次在路邊發問卷免費贈送保養品 試用品你們把他裁罰叫做依公平會的這個第25條顯示公平行為重罰新台幣2500萬元 |
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過去愛妮雅的這種方式被你們裁罰過那我想請教最近媒體也多方的報導甚至在消保會消保官也累計到了15件類似行為的申訴他是在中山商圈有一家這個叫何瑞公司推銷什麼抹鹽硬強迫你然後把你拉進去就要買商品這你們有掌握嗎 |
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好 那個我跟委員報告 這個案子沒錯 就是在 在消保會所以還沒有送到公平會來 那他有沒有觸犯 |
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當然這個個案我們要進行調查才會知道但是跟委員報告一下這個所謂的強迫推銷有一些要件除了剛剛委員點到25條要一定的數量以外另外就是說他的行為必須要讓這個受害人已經達到脅迫的一個程度讓他無法抗拒那我有處理一些案子基本上消費者在一開始被接觸的時候他可以輕易的就拒絕那就可以規避掉了 |
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所以有時候那個階段基本上它就可以規避掉所以如果沒有達到那個強制的程度的話我們是比較沒辦法用25條去處理這種強迫推銷這個主委我覺得是這樣你這樣講大概很多消費者大概內心都不太能夠接受我希望你們能夠主動的去調查這個案子這新聞媒體也都有報導它有沒有強制 |
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他把他拉用街頭抹鹽推銷然後把他拉進去店裡面然後就開了一瓶保養品說叫他立刻試用打開了之後就告訴他你已經打開了所以你不能退貨 |
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那這有沒有強迫推銷所以好 那我就請你們去調查嘛如果像類似這樣的事情我覺得這個已經層出不窮至少要讓消費者覺得公平交易法是有保護到他們的多層次傳銷法你沒有辦法去嚇阻真正的詐騙集團假投資真詐騙那你這樣子的公平交易法至少你們可以做得到吧如果連這個都做不到的話那我真的不知道 |
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公平會到底可以做一些什麼東西你不能都說你們沒有主動的調查權等等的法令在那裡其實法令是可以修改的法令是可以往前更進一步的當你知道有這麼多的受害案件的時候其實我們不應該被動的去等待人家來提供資訊這個我們會主動去了解跟觀察那這個案子我們會後續會去進一步的了解OK 好 謝謝 |