| IVOD_ID |
164229 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164229 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-22-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T10:44:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T11:01:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db60560182b47826b396c95259d4de0cc173471e8ca08e6d68e81c04d3e6e31e3a45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:44:30 - 11:01:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部部長鄭英耀列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝 稍微有請部長請鄭部長部長好部長剛剛我們在下面看到這個板東之虎葉源之的質詢為我們教育發聲那好久不見了部長 |
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首先先恭喜部長在今年8月下旬的內閣小改組留任下來那還記得我上一次也給你許多的一些鼓勵那我想教育是百年大業相信應該還有很多的政策及法案要推動那不曉得這個會期部長對於政務的推動有沒有什麼想法有沒有什麼政策一定要完成法案要完成可不可以簡單說明 |
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我想第一個最簡單的就是我希望提供給學校中小學老師有一個更安穩更值得尊敬的一個工作的環境也就是說校士會議一定要優先來改善對 校士會議是我們非常關注的 |
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這個年底之前可以提出具體的一些方案嗎是 我目前是設定這樣一個期限給自己的一個自我要求好 因為剛剛我有聽到就是您對於這個原本是要處理一些不適任教師但大大小小事務都進入到校師會議那我想也衍生出許多的問題 |
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那不管是社會的輿論甚至是您來自教育界我想這個您都很清楚那您覺得目前各地的訪談足夠嗎要再增加嗎還是已經收容了這些相關的意見我們事實上在我進來之前事實上去年520我事實上對這個校式會議已經有一個初步的輪廓也就是說 |
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當我決定要進來教育部的時候我事實上也跟地方的一些第一線上的校長家長跟老師有一定的一些決定我知道有一定的訪談啦只是說我擔心訪談的內容會不會不夠那要不要再增加你再考慮但我想今天你有講到重點第一不管是教師的環境甚至我們之前在講的 |
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教师特教的家籍要增加因为他们多如牛毛的工作甚至是为终点老师甚至是代理教师这些为他们发声到刚刚所提到的身心调试架这个东西我们都希望在未来中能够更有具体的有一些做法来捍卫他们的工作权益 |
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这个部分我希望不管是校师会议您给自己的期限是在年底刚刚所提到的身心调试假还有我们所谓的特教啊或者是老师的家籍啊终点老师这个部分的一些权益是不是您也可以给我们一些期限呢应该这么讲说身心调试假老师的期待我们充分了解我们也希望在未来能够朝那一个方向来努力半年 |
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還是年底這個當然因為我必須要坦白從寬從整個國家的一個大的一個運作它當然這個不同的一些遷移法動全身我都知道整個體制上但我們希望就是說所有老師不希望看到官員只是回答演繹但是完全沒有動作所以我希望說在這個過程當中有具體的包含老師的許多事實上都是我們念之再之我們一直在努力好的 |
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那我想就先就兩個才化法修法後的問題請教啦首先三張EQ現在的政策才化法修正以後中央將不再補助學校午餐的三張EQ的一個獎勵金改由地方政府自行來增加統籌分配款稅款以後的編列預算負擔 |
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財化法修正後讓地方政府自行投入可能會導致差距擴大但是部分的地方財力較弱的縣市是否會影響學校營養午餐的品質這個你有掌握嗎 |
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是不是请署长来说署长你说谢谢委员这个38亿或是还有偏乡厨房跟肉食学生21亿这74亿如果到县市的话我们都会要求这个要回编原来的数额 |
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好 這個一定要全面的去了解控管我想財化法在修法的一個初期當中我們都能夠了解我們是希望地方政府能夠擁有更多的資源那在這個整體財化法修法以後呢配套措施現在不只是釋出相對應的預算 |
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中央也释放相对应的应该负担的责任我想配套已经做好但是我们看到了不管是统筹分配款或者是地方我们现在的计划性补助款中央也有自己中央的一个做法 |
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那有可能會導致到地方在整個財化法利益良善希望去增加資源的前提之下反對應的是被剝削了中央所過度的去做一個配套我想這個部分我們不應該在這邊全盤討論但是就現在說的三張EQ如果有的地方政府 |
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有的縣已經遇到這樣的狀況我們應該要給予一個關心針對財政狀況的一個困難我們現在還有第二個 |
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學校電費的部分明年度回歸由地方政府依法編列預算來負擔按教育部現在的說法不是取消補助而是回歸既有的財政機制因為新版的財化法已大幅增加地方的統籌分配稅款理論上地方應該有財力可以去支應電費請問部長 |
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现在地方政府负担学校的电费落财政困难教育部会如何因应保障学生的受教权教育部针对财政困难的县市还会有提供什么样的协助请问跟我们报告确实我们当时因应这个财务法我们跟地方22个县市政府我们当然知道地方县市政府明显的一个首长他有许多城市发展的施政理念跟重点那我们也希望说因应这个财务法以后来自于 |
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中央補助給地方的這個屬於教育經會的這個部分也能夠讓及早讓這個地方教育局處所長知道所以也希望在整個地方在編列這個教育經會的時候不要去影響到教育局處許多學校教育的運作跟正常的一些這是我們的期望嘛所以我還是要講如果還是遇到了 |
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教育部應該要介入啊現在這個狀況難道是放到地方就給他爛嗎不會的我想當然我們教育部一定是跟地方來合作的我想我們台中市應該不會有這麼樣的一個狀況但是全國來看我們還是擔心有些縣市因為現在過度的市權那統籌分配稅款現在增加但是計劃性補儲款相對應的也有可能因為過度市權導致財政的一些困難 |
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我想教育部应该秉持着穷不能穷孩子的教育去了解政策在执行的落实那另外我想提到的就是这也是为什么我们在教育议题上持续的关注为什么要一直在帮台中市争取更多的预算就是因为我们长期看到这个问题台中市有一个很重要的教育议题地方希望17所市立高中职可以改回国立因为地方养不起了 |
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部長 17所市立高中還有高中職改回國立有沒有機會 台中跟委員報告因為當時台中市要升格改為這一個直轄市的時候我知道2017年改成市立的啊那您知道2017年改為市立以後每年給多少補助款嗎那當然現在以地方來講 |
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以地方來講這個希望能夠恢復是不是請這個署長來署長2017年您是台中市的教育局長跟著林佳龍市長迎接了比如說像我們的台中高工 |
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变成所以我们给他们有很好的照顾之后那个12年一贯那委员也在那边给我们很多指导嘛对所以我们在不管技职在学生升学那边的学生93%都是台中市的孩子对因此由台中市按照98年的升格改立的计划其实这样接起来是很有承担的但是很有承担对所以觉得那个担很重嘛对不对我的意思是说可能还需要一些协助这个我们会跟地方一起来努力 |
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好 今天我們就講到重點請問一下每年給多少的補助款36億 36億對不對 你也有知道嘛非常好人事費就將近34億這些錢到現在有沒有調整過 |
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36億的部分自那一年開始都沒有調整過三都都一樣對都沒有調整過所以我們要強調的是這就是教育部的補助款八年過去物價翻倍人事成本上升修繕建築費用暴增這36億卻連一塊 |
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都沒有調整你可以看到譬如台中二中為例他有一個空間他們一起努力的他那個空間我們跟台中市一起合作後來還在增補800萬大概學校的額外的支出我們還是會協助不是只有靠那36億 |
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對 當然我知道但是我現在要講的是這個補助款到現在沒有漲所以現在將地方的教育壓力的困境我希望不要視而不見去年台中市政府還透支9億台中市政府早就警告過地方的裁員撐不住現在學校一個比一個慘就剛剛您提到的台中二中校務基金從原本的四五千萬花到剩一百萬 |
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100萬用到快見底演藝廳蓋了卻好像毛坯屋這就是我們口中所提的教育升級還是教育放生我想地方政府現在根本養不起就像是要馬兒好又要馬兒不吃草地方兼顧教育的品質修善校舍照顧師生權益不給補助請問馬兒要怎麼跑 |
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所以教育是一個國家最重要的一個投資地方政府不能因為財政能力而失衡我要求教育部針對物價人士成本逐年調升教育的補助額度如果補助不願意調那請部長乾脆收回去嘛改回國力嘛學生不是孤兒啊學校學生受教權不能受影響部長你怎麼說 |
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抱歉有些细节跟您补充一下之后部长会做一个政策方向上跟您回应细节上是这样基本上各县市包含台中或台北或台南高雄等等我们都有像社区化军职化等等的计划这些都不是学校运作的单独的成本而已这些我们都会因应时事做变迁的调整这个在补助比例上我们会加高我们在相关的单价上也会提高以上在细节上是在这样子吻合委员的方向 |
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那政策上當然個案上我們看到你們一定會隨著建築成本去做調試我想這個我們都知道但我要講的就是每年這36億的補助款我光講這36億就好人事成本就34億那從2017年到現在沒有任何增加這一部分的補助款 |
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你不要說個案不要說其他的案我就說這36億這一筆款項所以我是希望今天能夠為他們發聲台中二中我也很感謝國教署給予關懷那目前我們還是希望能夠再持續的為其發聲我希望說這一個部長你要回應一下嗎 |
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我想有關我們怎麼樣讓這個地方原來的國立高中變成私立高中確保它的一個運作跟確保它的一個良好的教育品質我想這我們會來努力來跟地方來看怎麼樣有一個更好的機制 |
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包含这个经会上我们会后再讨论这个部分我会再继续为他们发声我想刚刚所提到的身心调试假我们照顾的老师近期增订的这个三日调心假对不起调试假身心调试假利益良善但是我想刚刚已经 |
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葉委員也提到了7加7加3加3現在開始我們看到三天的身心調試假納入七天試假這樣子呢老師就是會少三天的試假所以我想今天我們一起都為這些老師來請命可不可以把這三天的身心調試假 |
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獨立出來還給老師七天試駕的一個權利我想代理教師沒有身心調試駕請問部長代理教師可以準用嗎我們當然是樂觀其成樂觀其成什麼時候會有具體的作為 |
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跟委員報告代理教師三個月以上代理教室事實上他其實是準用行政院的那個月聘僱給價辦法那行政院約聘僱的給價辦法事實上在在10月10號也已經已經把10月10號已經修正了所以代理教師基本上適用生性調適教室沒有任何好這一部分我們會再持續追蹤實際的落實到底有什麼樣的問題最後一題早尾拜託一下我想 |
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我要跟您探討的是技術型的教師2014年賴清德總統在一個活動上表示台灣是海洋國家我們都是海洋的公民還要用海洋豐富人民的生活並投入海洋科技的研究讓產業能夠更多項的一個發展 |
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這不僅點出教育海洋的一個長期佈局的重要性凸顯技職體系中海事類科在培育人才能夠促進海洋產業升級扮演的核心教育部長台灣四周都是海洋總統也說要探索海洋那部長你知道高中職的部分台灣有幾所海事學校嗎 |
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現在全國有六所海事學校好謝謝你您非常清楚那我就不再贅述是哪六所但是部長您知道航海輪機特殊的海事類科合格教師近幾年有多少嗎 |
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我直接公佈近幾年的分別是112年8位113年6位114年5位合格教師證是逐年減少這些人數以水產的養殖為主所以我們要講的是部長海事學校就是以培養海事相關人才 |
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為主當然不是只有水產養殖航海輪機還有航海輪機的人才要從哪裡培養我們要一直想辦法去佈局啊所以許多的私校努力求生存以海市學校為例台灣的海洋國家要探索海洋六所海市學校夠不夠 |
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我想更重要的是我們在這個海事人才的培養當時去年進來我就事實上也擔心我們海事人才上可能這一個人才不小心會被中斷所以才會說有一個海事學校裡面類似這樣海事人才能夠對接職業譬如說海洋科大類似這樣的 |
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的這樣一個讓他能夠升學管道能夠暢通這事實上是我們也一直在努力的我講啦反正就是合格證教師這麼少如果教師合格率沒有50%的話會被專案如果連兩年都被專案的話就會被退場此規範對於特殊類科會有師生比偏低的問題所以請問部長針對特殊科目領域的技術型教師有沒有放寬的空間您覺得呢 |
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這謝謝委員的一個提醒我想我們內部來我們再來看這題我會追因為產業人才一定要讓他能夠永續發展因為我們已經看到這樣困境了嘛幫他們發聲也是為我們台灣這些技術型人才甚至是未來培養這些學生最重要的一個立即點因為我們確實需要這個人才然後我們怎麼樣從這個產業來引用人才讓他能夠來指導所以我希望能夠泛寬我們會後討論謝謝 |
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謝謝羅廷維委員請警政官員回座 |