| IVOD_ID |
164214 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164214 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T12:36:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T12:46:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db625d4ba1edb32550732e8c280ed77980f0febda90f1cdde823e2c817e391698a95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:36:50 - 12:46:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長林宜敬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月15日及16日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席 楊卓雲發言 邀請部長來 請林部長 |
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你好 部長首先請問我們在明年編列的56.5億是要推動促進數位創新動能轉型申請的計畫那你聚焦在整個產業AI化人才的培訓以及AI認證體系跟中小企業運用的四大主軸 |
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那你預估要培訓了3500個AI人才那你也預估要帶動50億的投資那2028年呢你認為AI的服務產值可以推進達到100億元但是我們發覺到目前為止我們的AI人才還是短促的而且非常嚴重那企業跟數位的落差尤其在我們中小企業那麼還是有很大的落差 |
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那如果說在整個培訓跟在這個效益方面沒有辦法落實那就形成預算先行那產業沒有動那本席也不希望看到說預算先行結果是產業沒動 |
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那在這樣的情況之下呢本席要首先請問因為現在AI的這個認證相關體系是非常的多元跟非常的重疊那你認為現行有哪些呢現行的部分 |
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OK 如同委員所講的現在AI的發展非常快所以AI的認證體系非常的多元也非常的混亂所以我們數位發展部的庶產署之前幾個月我們就訂出並且公布了AI產業人才認定指引我們把這個AI的人才分成三個階層一個是研究型的AI人員另外一個是利用現有AI工具開發AI模型或AI運用的人才 |
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另外一種就是百工百業利用AI來增加它生產力的人才讓我們要有更細部在每一個階層裡面我做更細部的指引我這個指引出來以後我們是希望說讓這個AI人才的訓練本身也變成一個產業而且是一個可以賺錢的產業 |
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本席請教目前我AI我國AI相關的認證體系是多元而且重疊所以本席要請教你認為目前有哪些你針對本席的提問嗎你要回答是人才現在最重要的其實現在 |
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台灣產業界也認為最重要就是我們素產署的AI產業人才認定指引所有的其他的那些台灣其他那個單位譬如說那個基本是了解比如說像具代表性的亞馬遜啊輝達啊微卵啊Google啊經濟部我們自己行政部門經濟部自己也有以及你抒發部現在是委託等於是主管的這個施策會 |
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那你這個56.6億元你到底會用哪一套來認證 |
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你會怎麼做呢我們就在回答這個問題認證就是會依照我們庶產署定的AI產業人才認證所以是你自己速發不再做一套是不是不是那還好那要怎麼做呢因為有各種認證我們就對齊把它分類所以你是開放性的 |
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本席這麼解讀是嗎是不是因為你知道現在數位人才他有困境他從要去認證他要去培訓他從初階到中階到拿到認證的他希望的等級他光光認證的部分大概要花兩萬多塊錢 |
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我不一定要看還有更多的那所以在你的這個部分你第一個回答本席是說各項不管是Google什麼的都通通都OK你們都是開放的開放的培訓開放的認證你是如此嗎所以書發部沒有一個像經濟部自己在做一套的是不是 |
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對因為經濟部這個部分我們有跟他就是去溝通那就是我剛才講的我們那個我們跟那個人總還有經濟部那我們現在跟人總那邊會有那個AI人那個公務人才發展辦公室那這個我原來是擔任那個副召集人那我們就是希望說用同一套這個認證的指引然後跟那個經濟部不管是經濟部或者是人總或者是我們產業都是用同樣一套的認證指引你看認證框架 |
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所以本席提問如此也就是56.5億我們希望要讓願意來培訓的吸引他們會很清楚的那你從培訓到認證就是由我們的政府來協助是不是如此培訓跟認證也可能由民間機關他自己來做因為他就可以很清楚的知道說哪一個等級的他開什麼課然後來上課的人 |
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但是還是你數化部會來協助嘛是是 我們會主導是你們主導 然後不一定你政府來做民間單位也可以合作來做嘛 是不是如此是 委員講的完全沒錯那我們也希望一定要因為數位人才是非常的重要陳如你剛才所說的是現在很多元又重疊又而且嚴重的缺失所以一定要好好努力做接下來本席請教中小企業是資安非常重要的一環 |
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而且他們也是最薄弱的我們剛才說的所以在167家裡頭占我們所有的企業大概有98%的中小企業那一旦駭客入侵 坦白講中小企業似乎沒有這個能力去圍堵 |
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大公司或者是可以你也一直搖頭是不可能的那我們政府要怎麼做因為我們看到之前呢那蘇發部我們的這個資安院到底跟經濟部經濟部說我們交給你了那你說你要依你各單位機關的權責去負責之那就變成山不管地帶那到底是怎麼回事呢那怎麼樣協助我們的中小企業呢 |
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這個基本上我們有幾個政策第一個就是我們情資的共享因為這個駭客通常都是利用新發現的漏洞所以我們現在有一個有一個機制叫TWSIRCC這個就是我們如果發現新的那個資安漏洞的話趕快去給讓所有的企業包含中小企業知道這是第一個 |
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第一個策略第二個我們是鼓勵台灣的中小企業尤其小型企業他根本養不起那個資安人員更不用講那個或者是那個資訊人員他都養不起那我們希望他盡量利用雲端的產品或者利用現成的資訊軟體博士長你現在這樣講就是中小企業的困境 |
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他們有這個能力所以在你治安法的第四條裡頭你很明確的第五款協助民間處理因應及防範重大滋通安全的事件這是你的本質所以本席提出這一點就是針對167家的中小企業是我們國家很重要的資產 |
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一定要好好去協助他你把方案給本席最後我給你一個功課10月9號網路詐騙通報的這個部分從9月28號到10月10號共接獲了1萬4千多件那確認詐騙的是5千多件換句話說將近有4成多是確認的那其中META是重災區那麼它高達了86.5%所以本席要請教 |
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該通路的這個部分我們看到它報了35萬件有18萬件主要是什麼形態呢假冒購物 名人詐騙跟現實的優惠所以在這樣子的情況之下你們成立了網路詐騙通報查詢的系統裡頭成立一年多來你們對Meta怎麼樣去做溝通 怎麼樣去處罰呢 |
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這樣的一個數字我們當然第一個就是在打詐專案通過以後我們要求他做廣告實名制然後在24小時下校打詐司法就已經賦予你這一個上方保健了嘛我們已經罰他1850萬啦 |
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那現在呢 他已經繳了一千六百多萬另外兩百五十萬應該很快會罰最重要不是罰他多少錢 而是他行為要改變對 他行為要改變那這個如同我之前有改變這個講起來因為業務報告裡面有報告這部分他們也努力在協助我們打仗那現在就是我們說服他們加入我們好人的一方我說好人對嘛 |
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那他現在已經在全球下架了700多萬個涉及詐騙的帳號這個當然不是針對台灣 針對台灣有430萬個詐騙訊息在他上架之前你看 光光台灣就430幾萬這是真的太恐怖了所以本席也希望我們的打仗不是只有美化數字 |
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我們也不希望詐騙的數字一直在上升我希望一定要嚴正的去面對這個問題真正降低詐騙民眾這才是我們要的謝謝 |