| IVOD_ID |
164195 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164195 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T12:13:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T12:20:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db6cc3ed637e28c230032e8c280ed77980fb6741136213cfef6440e68855abdbf165ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:13:46 - 12:20:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長林宜敬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月15日及16日二天一次會】） |
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謝主席 有請林部長來 林部長請 |
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會員你好部長上次提到META有錯殺率太高的問題本席肯定你上任之後非常積極的追蹤跟META來進行溝通但是這個誠信原則所造成的衝擊還是越來越大也就是它自救會的成員從4000多人現在已經到了5000多人了那我就比較一下為什麼META會出現這麼高的錯殺率那你一看 |
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LINE的部分的錯殺率很低LINE的部分它之前大規模因為詐騙的問題停了7.3萬7萬3千個但是它申訴案件很少跟委員報告其實他們那邊也有不少錯殺的案件所以曾經還有50幾個他們的用戶跑到他們大樓相對而言比較之下那關鍵在哪裡本席就稍微去跟他了解一下 |
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就是說LINE的部分它其實在使用的部分它適用消保法它有一個定期化的契約記載事項所以導致LINE的時候不能隨便停權使用者它可能會有訴訟跟賠償的問題對不對問題就來了Meta沒有Meta沒有的部分好像說用LINE它有購買貼圖 |
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可是問題是Meta的部分的過程當中因為流量一 它可以獲利使用者沒有獲利衝的流量它有獲利二 我們選舉的時候也會增加那個觸及率我們會買啊 怎麼會沒有買也有商業行為啊所以同樣的商業行為是不是也可以比照賴的方式來適用這個消保法 |
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部長 是 這個我們去研究瞭解一下是不是 素杉署長跟委員報告就是這個在行政院的消保處有討論過目前這種平台的免費使用是不是適用消保法這個是還要再釐清已經有例子了嘛 署長 |
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你現在的狀況我們就比較結果Meta的方式就用這種方式他就不能隨便亂做錯差他就會更加謹慎他的程式的設計對不對對使用者相對有保障已經有一個好方法部長這個要不要去好好研究一下是 我想我們署長的意思是說因為在Facebook上大部分使用者並沒有付錢給那個Facebook所以不能適用為那個消費者我們有付 怎麼會沒有付 |
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我廣告的時候廣告上有付他就必須下廣告就有付啦但是如果說我是一個使用者我沒有付錢給那個Mapa然後我的那個被封鎖的話把他延伸出去嘛我們事實上也有付嘛所以說我們是有他有付的這個機制在嘛 |
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如果是他有負的機制在的話就類似於這種商業行為嘛我請部長回去好好研究一下好不好好比照辦理嘛第二個部分呢最近有一個消息翠的部分啊台灣的流量啊是全球第一耶是對啊那過去以往我們要求他落地的時候啊他們就放在客服啊就說Meta就說啊我們這邊呢非常有限所以不願意投入人力你這樣講得通嗎 |
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部長這樣講不通講不通那有什麼方式讓Meta來落地OK在Thread方面其實Thread上面的那個詐騙我們在之前納管之前我們就已經在有在巡檢有在通報他們他們也都一般來講都配合的狀況都不錯溝通還可以 |
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236.407 |
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溝通還可以但是因為Thread它在今年3月以前它並不提供廣告那依照我們打造專訪我們只管廣告所以我們納管了那個Facebook Line還有Google因為它都有廣告但是Thread沒有廣告那3月它開始放廣告以後我們就開始進入這個程序要把它們納管所以要納管了 |
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255.117 |
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但是我是說如果可以的話應該把Meta這些人也要求落地讓你溝通會比較方便不然的話有些署長 次長還要跑去美國去跟他們溝通而且可以即時性的來維護這些使用者的權利另外一個部分部長你可以看得出來哪一個是假帳號 |
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我看不出來看不出來對不對Meta部分不是一個人一個帳號其中有一些小帳這小帳就可以任意來作為帶風向散播假消息抹黑別人抹黑的成本是最低的這沒有辦法管嗎 |
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是在这方面我们分两部分来讲第一个就是我们现在有要求Meta去把那些跟诈骗集团有关的账号把它利用AI的方式把它找出来然后把它打诈的部分你们有在努力我知道那另外就是说中长期来讲因为Meta就如同委员讲的它因为他们并没有做身份的认证所以这个是造成我们不管是在关键嘛重点是身份身份来了有一个方式是 |
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LINE的部分一樣LINE的例子LINE的部分它就強綁這個手機的號碼強綁手機的號碼的部分它就可以建立這個造謠救責機制本期最近都是受害者無山投水庫就是這種狀況之前有更多的狀況都是如此所以說你要如何把這個扣連起來這是第一個要揭露的地方就是要如何救責讓它要綁手機手機就可以追蹤到人 |
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身份他就可以救責這是第一第二個部分還有這一次呢中國也來湊熱鬧還有你透過這個登入帳號的部分你發現那個加86這個86的部分就是中國的帳號來假戴假冒說台灣人這麼戴帳號是不是國家的這個部分呢發文國家的部分也應該要予以揭露才對 |
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是 沒錯這個事實上就是我們希望努力的方向這個有技術的問題有法規的問題那另外還有就是商業面我們希望有這個機制然後我們現在先跟委員報告就是說我們跟LINE已經有這個機制就是說如果你加你的單位號是國外來的話它上面就會出現一個警示 |
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對 沒有錯你就按照LINE的方式來管理Meta嘛 是不是希望這樣來就這三個部分嘛一個是外國的一個揭示然後一個的部分呢就是使用者的一個這一個造謠救者的一個機制然後另外一個部分呢就是有關於這個消保的權利保障好不好這個部分要多久給本席我們希望那個 |
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400.896 |
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委員我們經常有那個聯絡再去跟委員報告在年底之前下禮拜我們先來聊一聊沒問題謝謝希望有一個具體的時間點沒問題拖太久問題會越多期待你謝謝 |