| IVOD_ID |
164194 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164194 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T12:07:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T12:13:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db6d9e8fdc4d80bec4b32e8c280ed77980fb6741136213cfef6057babbb10d0fc445ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:07:11 - 12:13:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長林宜敬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月15日及16日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請樹花部的林部長林部長請 |
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道遠好林部長你好是這個我特別關心一個事情就是通訊軟體我們看到這個有個數字最近三年裁判書三萬件詐欺案件相關的兩萬七千件九成都是詐欺但是書發佈紙列管了Meta Line Google TikTok |
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對於Telegram跟WhatsApp這個事實上比較低一點可是事實上來講大家以為說這裡的Telegram用得少其實Telegram其實用得蠻多的Telegram這部分你們什麼時候可以列款什麼時候比較積極一點 |
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OK 剛剛委員報告我們現在目前列管基本上是依照打詐專法那打詐專法的立法的概念基本上是只管廣告不管私人的通訊也不管私人產生的訊息所謂的那個user generated content我們這個地方是不管的那因為在LINE它是上面是有廣告的所以我們可以管我們把LINE列管可是Telegram跟那個我們剛才講還有什麼WhatsApp |
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上面基本上是我了解是沒有廣告嘛所以我們在法律上我們沒辦法去目前並沒有法源依據可以列管那另外來講的話因為這個是牽涉到憲法保障的秘密通訊的自由所以對於這個個人的通訊我們並沒有辦法去看政府我們並沒有辦法去看他可是我要強調是詐騙的訊息公共安全兒少的性影像各自的外洩政府的文件這個都是 |
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很重要的領域啊 這個不是你剛剛講的說這個私人的去通訊 不是啊這是公領域啊 這些都是公領域啊委員講得沒錯 一旦犯法犯法的時候我們這個警方就有這個權利權利查他私人通訊 這時候就不受那個憲法的那個那我現在就跟你講 你們有管 |
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Meta、Line、Google、TikTok但是對於Telegram你們認為說市場率低不管了WhatsApp也沒有不是因為市場率低就如同我剛才講的因為是廣告的問題我們之前列管是因為我們打造專法規定的是我們可以管廣告但是私人的通訊裡面打造專法來來來你看喔台灣人少用Telegram嗎 |
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PTT 揭秘老司機詐騙集團的最愛就Telegram是啊 這個我們都知道所以你們現在等於是等於是完全不管啦這個東西不是完全不管那個束手無策啊跟委員報告我們是一個台灣是一個自由民主法治的國家 |
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我們當然是說我們政府也希望說我在打造的時候我都可以去偷看每一個人的那個內容但是不能 我們是一個法治的國家我不能去看個人他如果在犯罪發生之下沒有 所以你給我答案說目前Telegram還是不管所以他還是不管不是不管 我剛才已經講了我剛才就講說他如果說已經犯罪的話那檢調就可以去管了你不要管了 LINE你不要管了因為LINE 我已經講過了LINE因為它有廣告所以我們可以管它廣告的部分 |
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所以Telegram是沒有廣告目前是它沒有廣告啊確定嗎網友指出來Telegram的照片它的品質都優於Line |
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這不是廣告這是私人的通訊訊息比如說我如果傳一個照片給委員的話那警方也不能看我們如果我們沒有犯罪的話警方也不能看我傳給你的照片他現在犯罪了他犯罪了犯罪的話那就是有警政署他那時候就是已經取得法源的依據他就可以去搜索那現在另外當然還有一個問題是說像Telegram這個都還有WhatsApp這都是國外的公司那他並沒有落地當然是WhatsApp現在已經賣給Meta了 |
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那我們可以透過META那邊去請求他的協助你們再研究一下好不好第二個題目 低軌衛星現在進行的怎麼樣 |
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OK 在低軌衛星方面目前我們速發布就是用OneWeb這個衛星系統我們已經有很多的接收站我們應該現在目前唯一有190幾個什麼時候開放給民間用這個應該是 保險 |
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地軌衛星以現在來講兩岸這麼緊張隨時要打仗的地軌衛星很重要喔發委就我們所了解中華電信的OneWeb的執照已經取得NC的許可了所以大概在季節大概就會開放給民間使用近期是多近期啊 多快一個月 一個禮拜現在只是看中華電信準備好以後隨時可以在市場上賣就是說法令上現在都完全沒問題了法令上都沒問題 這個你們管的吧 這個你們管不管 |
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中華電信不是我們管的但低軌衛星是我們管的低軌衛星是你管的 對啊那執照上面都已經發了嘛所以現在就是看中華電信什麼時候他要開始他的商業營運那因為這是商務業行為我不能硬性規定他哪一天要發那另外還有就是Kyper我們現在也在跟那個Amazon的Kyper在談這個合作Kyper是那個Amazon他新開發了一個那個低軌衛星系統 |
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那我們希望說除了OneWeb以外我們還有另外的Kyper作為另外一種選擇那我們也希望說這個Kyper以後也會有這個商業的營運那目前的瞭解Kyper可能的營運商會是那個大家比較知道正面度高的Elon Musk他的Starlink我們不用 |
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對 因為那個是法令的規定我們現在台灣的法令規定就是說這種電信那個營運商他必須有50%以上的股權是由台灣人掌控但是Elon Musk一直不願意答應這些事情所以除非是我們修法或是Elon Musk他同意就是說不再跟我們有沒有去跟他接觸嘛 |
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我沒有見到Elon Musk抱歉我剛上任我還沒見過他有沒有想要跟他接觸一下因為畢竟這一塊是他的專長是 當然有機會想去跟他接觸一下吧好 謝謝 謝謝委員 |