| IVOD_ID |
164191 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164191 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T11:36:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T11:47:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db6ff1e2e22e5c5615b32e8c280ed77980fb6741136213cfef65aed41defc5d99185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖先翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:57 - 11:47:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長林宜敬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月15日及16日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝召委麻煩邀請我們林部長林部長請廖委員好謝謝部長這個今天要跟部長就教的是這個數位憑證皮夾是我們今年初開始努力在推的先確認一下我們數位憑證皮夾推出之後我們的數位身份證確定不會再推了嗎 |
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是 基本上這個數位身份證跟數位憑證事實上是不太一樣的概念數位身份證基本上是說所以你們還要推我們會推數位憑證對 數位憑證皮夾對 那數位身份證那是內政部主管的就確定那個要問內政部不是我們數發部負責好 那沒關係那數位憑證皮夾目前正在進行沙盒實驗是 對不對那沙盒實驗目前有大概多少個申請單位 |
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目前沙盒大概有1600個單位在裡面做試驗就大概半年的時間1600個單位從3月到現在是那我們這一次沙盒實驗的經費大概規劃了多少 編列了多少 |
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應該說我們是用整體的經費去估量如果說從113年到114年兩年的時間那我們所有評審媒體包含前端設計驗測跟發展的測試這些一共目前編列的經費是2.5億 |
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2.5億就在沙盒的部分不是是整體整體那之後現在先用沙盒來實驗那我目前編列2.多億的一個經費那現在沙盒1600家廠商或是自然人在做使用那你們怎麼去未來怎麼去跳脫這個沙盒就是說你們怎麼樣去評斷或是檢測它是一個可以上路的狀態 |
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我們預計在年底之前我們就會找幾個試驗的場域我們就會正式上路了我們希望先有幾個成功的案例因為任何這種新科技的推展剛開始可能都會有一些問題不一定是技術的問題可能是一些操作上什麼的問題我們希望說先一步一步來先做沙盒沙盒以後有這個Prototype有Prototype以後有幾個成功的案例然後我們再大面的來推廣 |
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因為其實之前在當然您說聽到這個計畫的時候是我個人啦我個人的感覺我不是很感興趣你知道嗎所以我也會懷疑說那我們後續推行的成效如何那目前半年以來那只有1600個單位或是個人來申請不是個人那個數量其實很大1600個 |
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就是申請的單位嘛 單位不包含人嘛可能是機關 可能是企業等等的嘛對 那1600感覺這個不是非常的踴躍啦那這是過程中 在沙盒沒關係因為你們年底才會正式推出嘛那你在沙盒過程中大家目前給你們的反饋大概是怎麼樣 |
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跟委員說明那在篩選的過程中各界的確也提供非常多的寶貴的建議那包含在憑證因為憑證會有發行然後持有跟驗證會有三個角色那針對每個角色他們所要的功能跟流程的串接 |
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那乃至於說因為它會有一個石油端的載具它本身的一些操作的UI的調適其實外界提供了非常的很多的寶貴建議那這個也就是剛剛在說在年底的時候我們會釋放出一個試行的版本那版本就是依照各個沙盒環境裡面測試的建議沙盒裡面應該不只UI介面的一個 |
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它包含剛剛有說在發證端跟驗證端它整個機制它目前有哪一些驗證的單位可以去使用 |
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目前驗證的部分當然在商業界有非常多比如說像租車的業務或者是在於人力證書我們求職需要的人力求職網的一些相關的證書其實還有蠻多的驗證機構都可以陸陸續續在這裡面做測試 |
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那因為目前使用的人還不多嘛對不對使用的人還不多就是使用的還沒有真的是還不多那在過程中他好像還沒有你們現在應該還在沙盒過程中還沒有辦法驗證實際上的驗證這個部分嘛比如說現在有辦法就是已經有人是比如說我參加沙盒實驗我是個人那我去某一家廠商去試用這個數位憑證皮夾現在有辦法做到這樣嗎 |
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有在进行这样的因为我们现在在沙盒等于说是在实验在prototype的经验的阶段以我的树花部来讲现在就是在我的办公室就是利用这个数位凭证皮夹来访客来登记的时候我们现在已经在试行用这种方式来登记什么人来我的办公室找我 |
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那有人用這個去登記嗎有啊真的有你辦公室同仁才有吧當然就是在沙盒的時候一千六可能你們的書法部就佔了三百人了吧那因為你們驗證的情況下你說一千六你們覺得很多嘛一千六你們覺得很多算是蠻踴躍的你們認為蠻踴躍的因為這些人大部分是來做開發的他不是單單使用如果是使用的話一千六百人不是很多但是這一千六百一千六裡面有多少 |
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分類你們有帶去區分嗎我覺得一部分是廠商端嘛一部分是使用者嘛裡面大概是多少使用者多少的開發商 |
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跟委員報告一下那裡面目前的成員會有商業公司那商業公司就會包含開發跟驗證那當然還有會有一些是屬於那個要做發證發證的機關那像我們在裡面就包含有那個交通部他也在裡面沙盒裡面要去做測試他們的數位駕照的數位化的一些發證的流程都會在這裡面做那我說自然人的部分 |
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自然人的部分我們這邊就沒有那麼細分到他的角色對 因為你一個政策要推出來你就是必須要有人去使用他嘛一部分是你的系統的建制必須要完善就是剛剛講的驗證的部分每個機關他要去做他該做的事情那另外一個部分就是你要讓普羅大眾有去使用的意願這才是重點嘛那你推這樣政策才會成功嘛那目前看起來你一千六裡面剛剛聽你們講大部分都還是廠商 |
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有興趣這個部分嘛對不對反而是真正的使用者好像對於這個數位 憑證 皮夾到底可以有什麼用可能大家還一直半解那導致於他去申請沙盒試驗的意願並不高目前的情況是這樣嘛 |
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我們這個沙盒的目的本來就是給廠商因為這個數位憑證皮夾事實上是算是一個國家的基礎建設一個infrastructure在這上面會有很多的商機因為我們現在我們知道我們在網路上我們常常會認證就是說我有什麼樣的資格譬如說我是不是年滿18歲我是台灣人我有沒有駕照等等這些都是所謂的憑證在民間的廠商他們自然會聞到這個商機 |
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民間廠商先不談我先請教部長的部分就是公家政府單位假設年底數位憑證皮夾上路之後每一個公家單位都能夠接受我去使用嗎或者說你需要多久的時間才能夠讓所有的政府機關中央地方的機關都能夠去接收我使用數位憑證皮夾 |
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OK 這個部分我們正在努力跟譬如說交通部衛福部內政部等努力溝通因為這個數位憑證評價我們之前那個推數位身份證算是比較負面的經驗我們要非常非常小心所以我們剛開始會選定一些那個風險比較小的應用上面譬如說去超商領貨我們這個數位憑證評價 |
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政府單位不會是最優先響應的反而是民間單位我們會還有譬如說在學校我的那個數位學生證這個算是比較風險比較小的我們先從這個地方來進行因為民眾的信心是非常重要的我們希望先取得民眾的信心然後我們再逐步往這些高風險但是大量使用的這些場域那假設我是一個業者那我要響應我政府的政策那我要也接受民眾使用這個數位憑證皮夾 |
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那我需要投入的硬體建設的費用大概會是多少 |
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這個應該是不高應該是就是因為業者要投入的部分的資源其實很少因為系統的發展或者驗證的開發程式的模組都是我們數位發展部會統一幫大家都做完那對業者來講那可能就是一台虛擬的設備要把這個模組安裝進去跟他跟連結到後端的業務系統基本上的成本會大約啦大約啦 |
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成本的話就是一個虛擬機設備的大概可能是那個幾百萬頂多一兩千萬我說最少你假設不是使用者很多的話開發一個可以運行的系統大概就是一兩千萬大概一兩千萬算是蠻大型的因為大部分的 如同我們司長講的大部分軟體我們政府都有所以那目前還是可能比較大型的通路機構才有辦法來做這樣子的一個負擔嗎 |
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對當然大型的通路機構對他來講他意義更大那或許包括譬如說好了我們現在建制成本你們說可能幾億三億多四億多這樣的規劃那未來整體政府機關如果說要建制起這套體系讓每個政府機關都能夠讓我使用數位憑證皮夾的話那你們有沒有估過整個行政院需要支持多少的費用才能夠讓每個政府機關都能夠接收 |
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是跟委員報告那因為在行政機關的部分有如剛剛所講的所有必要的元件都是我們社會發展部用金被直接統一支付掉那以各機關來講他其實只有很微薄的安裝跟轉資費用那成本其實都不會太高的就是東西而已然後那個系統你們這邊會處理好那以後那年底正式上路嗎好不好那我們明年的時候再一起來檢驗好不好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝召委 |