| IVOD_ID |
164189 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164189 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T12:05:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T12:16:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db6f5d6c727e33a370697bc26f8a2da1058b6741136213cfef6e845366a77bfd4645ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林思銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:05:16 - 12:16:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝趙偉我先請主席長好了請陳署長主席長早委員好主席長我想今年的一到八月收穫員工每人每月的經常性薪資平均數是47709元年增2.98%實際的成長是1.12%對我們乍看之下數據是很漂亮是 |
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但是我們再看看中位數只有38217元實際成長只有0.94%換句話說薪資成長的平均數被少數高薪族群所拉高而絕大多數的基層其實沒有感受不到 |
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再來我們看貧富的差距113年度家庭收支調查最高20%與最低20%家庭的可支配所得差距高達6.14%昨天我看到主委總署公布受僱員工的薪資統計在通膨趨緩後基本工資調漲下昨天公布的今年1到8月受僱員工的實際薪資呈現 |
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連續17個月成長超過通膨所以要請問主席長這是否代表說我們薪資成長超過物價上漲的速度連續打敗通膨 |
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目前是这样目前评估是这样子这么乐观但是因为有一些譬如说比较经常性购买的一个食品东西它就是它占的幅度是比较大比较高譬如说食物的部分是占2.64然后肉类占了比较多水果也占了比较多所以这种对于民众来讲影响比较大所以他们就会觉得说没有感受到通膨但是 |
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感受到通盤下降但是問題就是說因為譬如說油料 原物料這些在整個國際價格是下降的所以這個部分也真的是影響非常的大是 那個署長我想這個 |
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基層的感受就跟妳講的因為民生物資還是在上漲它的漲幅還滿高的所以普遍感覺好像物價沒有跟薪資的差距並沒有有一個非常大的感受 |
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所以做這麼樂觀的一個評估我覺得還是要把相關的民生物資的因為它的漲幅那麼高可能是不是要做一個比較真實的一個呈現 |
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有 我们相关的民生物资的一个相关的涨幅我们都有公布然后也包括中低收入的高龄的这些的我们都有做一个公布相关的一个那个通膨物价的一个稳定其实主席我想说的就是说 |
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因為像你剛才講的那幾種情況之下我們看到今年8月勞工他的平均薪資就1到8月勞工平均薪資是48,098元年增2.92% |
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那加上獎金與加班費等非經常性的薪資後總薪資平均達61646元年增4.38%我一直強調乍看之下很樂觀顯示我們薪資普遍成長但是我們現在看這個經常性的中位數只有38000多塊 |
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吉尼係數0.341雙雙叫去年為真所以主委長這是否代表我們大多數的居城的勞工根本或者居城的這些職員根本沒感受到所謂的一個心臟潮普遍沒有感到說我們薪水很高 |
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所以這個部分因為中位數是3萬8所以大部分區中集中在3萬8左右那有的高薪的部分譬如說有的是金融業的或者是一些相關資通業的就前面20%的族群它就比較高那這樣整個平均數它整個其實會拉高 |
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會拉高但是事實上每一年加薪這都是也事實上也是如此也是連續加薪加了很多年包括基本工資的一個調整都有做一個調整所以整個一個薪資也是都往上漲只是說可能他沒有辦法就是說因為如果是搭退所謂民生物價的一個部分他感受沒有那麼的一個好 沒關係 指揮長我再問你物價的問題 |
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根據族裔總署10月8號所公布的數據9月的消費者物價指數CPI年增1.25%比較8月今年8月的1.60%稍微降低也以連續5個月低於2%的通膨的警戒線創下4年半以來的新低 |
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但是我們根據經濟日報的報導指出有17項的重要民生物資漲幅高達2.47%創育一年半的新高該您提到的豬肉方面收到近期毛豬供應量的減少漲幅高達8.74% |
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創下超過一年半以來的新高那麼雞蛋也因為替代效果的關係更創近兩年來的最大漲幅還有房租也漲2.14%外食費用也預計上漲超過2%我們電價在10月份預計還要上漲4.3% |
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所以主席長在民生物資持續上漲的狀況下雖然有些物資的價格稍微下滑回穩但是我們長期來看對於今年的CPI影響大概會有什麼樣程度的影響 |
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我們其實是它是因為譬如說你剛剛講的水果 蔬菜這些等包括肉類那是因為在造成它豬隻的一個供應減少所以它肉類整個提升豬肉類的部分但是這整個現象大部分都是短暫它很快的就會改善所以外食會的部分除了這個之外因為我們總共有368項的一個調查的一個項目所以就這樣 簡單來說你還是認為說雖然有些這個 |
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这都比较短暂时间的有下滑回稳所以你认为整个我们的物价指数就是到今年年底它的整个影响大约会到什么程度还是在维持在百分之二以下吗是我们大概预估今年整个整体的大概是在1.76左右那明年大概是预估在1.64左右明年会更低 |
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會更低 是這樣子那有沒有考量這個考量到美國高關稅的因素如果這個談判下來如果不樂觀的話會不會對我們物價的一個上漲會有影響 |
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這個部分是影響到的可能是薪資的部分因為為什麼對物價沒有影響對物價比較因為等於說按照道理是比較會有一點點緊縮是這樣子所以是本身來看的話譬如說你如果說關稅談判不樂觀的話我們要面臨高關稅對於我們的物價上漲不會有影響嗎 |
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這個部分影響目前還不是很明顯所以你沒有做預估就是說一些的推估就是說停辦人力的減少這個部分所以你對明年會降到1.6%應該講的你很有信心因為我們重點其實現在比較高的是譬如說肉類 蔬菜類 水果這些外食但是明年增進現象會減低那我現在請那個審議長好 謝謝 |
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請審計長來 審計長委員好您剛才提到這個AI智慧審計我想請教你審計部今年把打擊詐欺 AI發展還有空屋治理等議題列為專章所以請問打詐這種跨部會的工作審計部是否有發現協調失靈 資源大量重複投入而結果效果不彰有這種現象嗎 |
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看起來是我們的審計意見裡面因為目前還沒有沒有看到因為現在的打詐現在越來越嚴重所以多元的方式可能都要試所以豬園的使用當然是看起來每個部會的配置 |
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有沒有重複投入資源重複投入是有這種情景但是因為現在詐騙我幫他看他的手法非常多對 現在到8月他們統計出來我們那個詐騙的金額六七百億被害人也越一直升高一直升高 案件也一直大所以這個是一個非常嚴重的事情所以我們政府投入大量的資源去防詐 |
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那我們就講說這樣會不會資源重複投入結果效果成效不彰啊這個開始有沒有去提出一個非常這個就是比較能夠資源能夠真正花在這個刀口上然後又可以達到他們一個方向的效果另外我想審計部剛剛一直提到說你在推行AI的審計資料中心還要導入深層AI |
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以本席的立場以我的立場我是支持創新支持更有效率的方式但是我同時也擔憂導入AI工具作為輔助後是否會造成過度依賴演算法就AI的演算法的現象 |
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會不會造成那種現象就像我們小時候寫的安全第一所以一定是在像這種AI有道德風險我一定要放在那個工作機構如果說演算法判斷有誤而導致審計結論的謬誤我們審計部有沒有建立一個控管的機制有 我們現在請專家寫者再研究這一個非常謝謝我們有做這方面的研究謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
666.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
667.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
謝謝 |