| IVOD_ID |
164179 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164179 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T11:42:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T11:52:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db61a2a31cad6f6a7541d8817d393176c4392e8362d61d61ef274d47481ca160e5e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭正鈐 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:42:54 - 11:52:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我想請一下陳部長部長好部長我想首先請教你一下梅花鹿台灣的梅花鹿算不算是野生動物 |
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應該不算梅花路不算野生動物是不是不在我們的野保法裡面所定義的野生動物那梅花路算什麼算動物算動物那它算怎麼樣動物農業部這邊怎麼樣管理它是一般的家畜吧 |
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現在台灣的農業梅花鹿算家畜是不是沒有算家畜所以家畜是哪一個單位在管是我們畜牧在畜牧場畜牧署在管嗎對 畜牧師畜牧師在管是不是但是野生的又不是畜牧師在管可是你說梅花鹿不是野生啊不是野生動物那它算什麼 |
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它是一個經過繁殖野放的東西因為這牽涉到法規的問題那野保法裡面它定義的它是不經過繁殖是自然領域的但是梅花鹿是經過早期的飼養以後在野放的部分 |
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就是現在是肯定國家公園在覆診可是問題是動物牠會跑梅花鹿牠不一定只在國家公園裡牠會跑出來你知道嗎而且現在台灣有很多的很多的那個生態園區他們就特別強調梅花鹿喔所以梅花鹿牠現在算不算是一個表演的一個動物那到底哪個單位該管 |
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畜牧師在管嗎如果是展演動物的話是動保師動保師在管那現在台灣的梅花鹿這邊到底是要怎麼樣去做管理我們有沒有去做一個比較好的一個運作因為你說它已經不是野生動物很具體喔這是部長你這邊很具體講說梅花鹿不是野生動物了不是野保法定義的野生動物 |
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好 那它算不算是那我們動保法要怎麼去保護它或野保法這邊要怎麼保護它你這邊有沒有一個更具體的說法因為目前來說台灣的梅花路就是沒有人管你知道嗎 |
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現在都把它推到了國家公園懇管處去懇管處這邊有一個相關的一個梅花路如果去吃了農損之後的一個補助的辦法除了這個之外的時候我們沒有看到農業部對於我們這樣子的一個不管是野保的主管單位或者是一個家畜的一個主管單位的時候對於梅花路有一個更具體的一個管理的方式 |
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感覺就是準備讓他放生那梅花路如果跑出來了他跑出了國家公園的範圍的時候那誰要去負責我跟委員報告以現在的現在的作為就是那個國家公園管理處這邊會來負責就算他跑出來侵犯他的農民的話他們也會來負責可是我覺得就正如委員講的我覺得農業部在這裡應該扮演一個角色而不是說 |
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怎麼樣的角色對 它不是因為以現在的法規它真的不是野生動物然後也不再加序因為它是野放的也不在飼養的範圍之內所以以現在的法規在不明確之下但是我願意再做一些更積極的協調農業部應該在這裡應該有一個角色啦是可以不要說 |
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又不去處理了以後數量越來越多然後又造成一些可能5年10年後有另外一個困擾這個部分我想我會再召集相關的會議看看農業部用什麼方式來切入是比較適當的OK部長這邊講得很清楚因為梅花鹿它曾經絕跡過1960年絕跡的時候可是後來確實在1984年開始的時候復育然後90年開始也放所以現在梅花鹿台灣梅花鹿大概有多少你知道嗎目前多少 |
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有幾隻你知道嗎我現在沒有掌握這個資訊目前按照媒體報導的時候大概目前大概有3600隻那有很多你剛剛講說他自己離開了國家公園的範圍的時候國家公園還要去管我不曉得國家公園要怎麼去管所以你剛剛有承諾說農業部這邊會扮演好一個角色很具體請 |
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最快的速度給梅花路一個定位好不好那到底是我們是野保這邊去管還是江蘇市這邊在管我們很清楚讓他有一個定位這樣好不好因為以現在法規都不適用所以我們未來可能用一個專案小組的部分在不去動機這個相關的法規之下怎麼樣協助國家公園的管理處能夠將這個議題做一個比較好的 |
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什麼時候可以完成出來我們三個月好不好三個月是不是 可以縮短一下嗎不是 因為他有要實際的就這個會期 三個月這個會期我剛才說的我們農業部應該可以扮演一些角色我這個可能要再去跟他們討論一下 |
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那我想說這個部分因為同時現在很多梅花鹿它也在生態園區當中如果它是展演動物的時候我們也希望能夠好好的被照顧到好不好因為日本的耐涼鹿其實是一個很好的一個經驗那我相信部長一定很懂這個部分那我想接下來我想問一個跟消費比較有關的狀態因為你在報告當中的時候這邊有特別提到說要加強農產品安全跟溯源管理我這邊來問一個蛋的一個溯源管理的一個部分好不好 |
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部長你知道那個我們這溯源碼這邊的時候這兩排字代表的意思嘛對不對那目前確實這個溯源碼我們在網路上面也可以查得到可是如果說有誤標假標的狀態的時候我們目前農業部這邊有沒有什麼更積極的做法我們有定期去查那詳細是不是可以請敘牧師來回應一下 |
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報告委員我們每個月都有派同仁跟地方政府去針對這個溯源碼市面去抽查發現有問題的馬上去找業者請他做一些修正那因為部長你知道最近網路上面有一群人他們很積極的在說號召大家不要吃所謂的監獄蛋 |
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跟地獄蛋監獄蛋不是說我們監獄很多監獄生產出來的產品是很好的東西那他講的監獄蛋不是產品很好而是希望大家不要去吃為什麼因為他說我們的對是龍式的那針對這樣的部分的時候可是我們知道現在大部分的蛋都是龍式的出來的對不對是大宗那當有一群 |
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民間的團體在動員這樣的狀態的時候部長這邊是不是要幫這些龍式的蛋說一些話或者說針對這個部分我們要怎麼給他不要讓龍式的蛋被汙名化 |
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不過我想以現在的經濟生產行為龍氏蛋還是為主但是龍氏蛋它也有相關的一個規格跟標準它必須符合動物基本的一個動物福利的部分但是它有一些可能會用比較友善的方式去飼養這個我們都會鼓勵但是不代表就是龍氏蛋就是非常不好所以這個部分我想我們會做比較正確的一個宣導來讓我們的消費者認知到 |
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那這個部分本席也希望你針對O代表有機生產的蛋 F代表放牧生產的蛋 B代表平時生產的蛋 E代表豐富化的農事生產也都能夠跟民眾做一個比較好的一個 |
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一個宣導讓民眾他真正知道說我們吃的蛋情況是怎麼樣那另外一個部分是之前農業部有曾經講過說除了現在的洗選蛋之外的時候我們也要擴大就是一般的 |
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蛋的一個溯源的編碼目前這個計畫進行到怎麼樣的情況我想我們現在在階段性推動的話就是洗選蛋是第一階段因為洗選蛋才有可能去噴印那洗選蛋本身我們希望推動到早餐店早餐店的部分或者餐廳的部分會先去推動那在推動的過程中你的洗選廠也要有那個量能所以我們短期之內我們是針對這個洗選蛋的通路我們會去加強 |
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因為目前現在台灣的吸血蛋大概占三成那其他的部分的時候我們要怎麼樣讓它能夠演更好的一個溯源我們第一階段大概是五成就是讓這個早餐店或餐飲店或連鎖通路的部分去使用然後當它使用習慣了以後我們再逐步的去開放到傳統市場是最困難的啦但是相對的我想我們會努力朝這個方向來做 |
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OK好那我想說最後部分我想請部長這邊之後我針對新竹的南寮漁港周邊清淤還有海山漁港周邊的一個社區的一個經營回饋的部分說給本席一個另外到辦公室來做一個進一步的一個說明好不好因為主席已經站起來在跟委員辦公室裡面聯絡時間再去跟你說明好謝謝 |