| IVOD_ID |
164170 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164170 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T10:28:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T10:43:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db6312156623b229e2632e8c280ed77980f92e8362d61d61ef2e445050a438e2b795ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:57 - 10:43:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長林宜敬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【10月15日及16日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席有請我們數位部我們林部長 林部長請 |
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國務委員 早安部長好你們現在是要數位部還是書發部 簡稱我們現在叫數位發展部 簡稱書發部因為我們要強調發展就是現在要全稱就對了沒有 我們是書發部 因為數位的話但是其實這都不重要 內容物比較重要首先我們直接看一下這有件事情 我說你好或者你自己說你好都不太客觀 |
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那事實上在大概這過去19年20年來從2005年開始在日本早稻田大學對於國際數位政府的開始有一個評比有個評比特別有注意到數位這個我們事務發布在2002年8月27號成立8月我記得那時候成立的時候我正好在交通委員會 |
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哇 其實我是很驚豔也很驚嚇不到三個月之後就看到我們這個當時的速發部舉行記者會啊真的有慶功宴等級啊所以我們得到了早稻農研大學當年2022年社會政府評比咧全台灣打國際盃啊全球第九名 |
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全球第九名啊 這不簡單啊我們蘇維布萊不光是在媒體開記者會也在內部做公告嘛那我們看看公告主要的一個內容他評比的這個部分對台灣的成績呢第一個 台灣得到當時評比的國際全球的第九名不簡單啦 不簡單第二個呢 在亞洲評比呢我們鄰居嘛 因為環境比較類似嘛在亞洲第三名啊 |
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那其中十個指標有十項指標他評比的成績有十項指標十項指標我們當時就有五項他一半五項能夠擠進前十但是其實我們聽到這個包括他真的覺得很驚艷但是也很驚嚇的原因就是說 |
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哇成立兩個月就能夠做這麼多事嗎那所以我們是你覺得這個當時的成績你還沒來啦那你知道這件事情的話也是一個驕傲吧應該是但是這種評比因為雖然看起來很客觀但是評比的項目這種 |
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這種事情其實也是可以說是蠻主觀的因為看他評比的項目是什麼當天的一個結論因為背景就是當年的速發部成立兩個多月但是當天的記者會的一個結論你們自己說自己就是顯見台灣基礎環境設備數位為民服務跟我們數位政府轉型努力有成 |
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效果著重這是當天的一個基礎那對我來講OK 數位部才剛成立它的元年那我相信在這麼紮實的基礎啊你知道嗎當地基打好那樓層可以蓋得很穩很高那接下來你們元年一年二年大樓慢慢蓋好那現在到底蓋得怎麼樣經歷唐鳳部長一年九個月跟我們黃部長一年四個月 |
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你才剛上任我們再談一些不好意思你擔任這個首長過去跟未來你都必須要去做負責兼顧來做說明那在這樣的一個基礎之下到底蓋了幾年的結果如何滿不滿意 |
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坦白的跟委員報告其實當初數位發展部成立的時候有三個主要的任務第一個就是數位產業所以我們有數位產業署第二個是資安任性所以我們有資安署跟任性司然後再來是數位政府所以我們有像資料司 像數位政府司等等可是我們數位發展部一成立以後 |
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Oh my god |
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因為我們這麼多的委員通過你的預算你每年的預算數位政府的照擺每年增加好不好刪掉了也幫你大致上補回去了然後你告訴我抱歉這份有錢但是我們的人力心力沒有放在這上面我希望你這樣的解釋你自己可以理解但是民眾不理解我們覺得2022年的時候跟你無關但我們覺得基礎很踏實 |
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在這個基礎之下經過了一年兩年成就如何呢我們覺得應該大樓慢慢穩穩的上上蓋應該業績蒸蒸日上確實我也看到你們做到了從2018年我們有那當時國安法宣布也是第9名到你們2022年宣布第9名就是10米以內你們才公告了第9名之後當年數位部成立 |
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成了第一年在良好的基礎之下打拼努力單獨預算幾百億給你們了拼了一年蒸蒸日上數字往上走退了六名再拼第一年還這個人還沒有著急腳步沒站穩到了去年2024年啊第20名 |
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你的感覺怎麼樣 你說說看因為第20名的部分你有參與部分那是為什麼你5月20號跟黃部長一起來的嘛 你是次長我不要講你要負責啦但你應該了解2024年由蒸蒸日上到這麼好的成績從第9名退不到第20名主要原因是什麼 |
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如同我剛剛在跟委員說明的這個我本身我也認為說這個地方我們的投入的那個心力不夠所以我剛剛在稍早我在那個業務報告裡面我講說我跟除了延續之前我們黃部長的三大三支箭之外我們今年也會把這個數位政府納入我們的主要施政目標 |
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好 這個林部長你說得這麼老實就是黃部長跟唐翁部長這方面數位政府做得不夠好大概邏輯就是這樣因為那你希望你能夠做得更好為什麼呢2022年你們講的基礎這麼好 |
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第九名 大家希望能夠繼續的第八名 第七名 能夠穩健的成長我們因為站在各部會的這種資安單位 數位單位都可以拿下第九名 |
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2018年數位部都還沒成立嘛他也拿到第九名大家當然期待你有一個部長這麼多部會這麼多廳在這裡你的成績大家這樣期待是基本的啦你要越來越好結果呢在這麼好的基礎之下你應該可以重重隆隆你知道嗎游刃有餘啊結果你搞了兩年你弄到連滾帶爬 |
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我覺得在這樣的下去 這個趨勢12月要公布2025的齁我不要說把你們看衰了齁2025你大概預估怎麼樣 |
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還蠻想這種預估這是陷阱題吧我講太低也不行啊對不對我們衛生預算在炒這邊炒了半年價我覺得很衰耶也被你搞一個大罷免什麼我現在在問你說錢要怎麼用拿到手上就說抱歉啦以前錢都編了這部分做得不好那今年會不會做得很好不清楚我覺得因為畢竟我們這個質詢大家都在聽啦是 |
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那我們再看看 國際的 亞洲的排序好吧 就近的 我們鄰居要檢討一下10月10號 也不才過幾天嘛我們總統 經濟生產率是小龍之冠嘛 那種驕傲 驕傲真的才 大家感覺到驕傲嘛結果 我們是IT之國 科技之島 |
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我們從2020到2024我告訴你 我們的鄰居 新加坡變第一名 第四名變第一名南韓第七名變第五名日本第九名到成長日本第十名成長日本沒有成長那泰國從22名到第18名我跟你講 |
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台灣從第九名跌了十一名到第二十名這是我們亞洲的一個類似環境的鄰居我覺得這個部分值得檢討而且很不應該如果再這樣的下去我覺得數位發展部在我的心中變成數位大退部 |
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每次看到你這樣一個成績在我們講的時候是整篇什麼都好然後呢到時候這到底是什麼問題再問你數位政府有這麼多類別他評比十大指標你知道是哪十大指標嗎坦白講我也不知道我早上看才知道但是你要參加一個評比如果你都不知道我跟你講應該是我們主動參加是他們把我們抓去參加的吧 |
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所以你其實也不願意參加所以你也不參加不知道人家跑的是百米還是馬拉松比賽我們整個部隊我們的員工其實根本沒有準備我的天啊我是覺得這樣的部長因為你才剛接一個多月今天我們談這件事我覺得是期待 |
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多於苛責我也覺得你們要針對於評比的部分你說你無所謂但是我們又是地球村你不看其他國家都在看讓台灣在這種亞洲四小龍之冠這種驕傲還沒有來其他人你看天天退步 |
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我跟你講2022年當年的交第九名基礎打好了其中有五項指標進入前十名就是前面五項第一個是現象育有與浮沫第二個是基礎建設那我都不要念了到2023年 |
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四項不見了當年的優勢四個不見了所謂不見就沒有排到前十名了不知道到哪一名去了請問那個政府資訊長的活躍度跟參加國際會議有關嗎 |
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這裡第四項政府資訊長活躍度是指的是什麼事情這個好像很抽象是跟參加國際會議有關還是這個很抽象所以你要問是不是要了解找到田因為我沒有去那邊念過書因為我們現在預算那個出國預算大幅被刪減所以這可能會有一些影響大幅刪減但是有一件小問題2024年預算刪減了嗎 |
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我在講你2024年的成績2024年升級了沒有不知道你不要學這壞的啦我們現在評比的成績只到去年2024年今年2025年有三預算的問題你再跟我扯這個這樣就沒有意思了我就覺得有點莫名其妙了我站好沒有三預算之下 |
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你看你2024年所有當時兩年的優勢全部跳到10名以外最後我只舉一個例子什麼叫優勢那你說這中間網路硬體網路硬體的一個評比我們本來剛剛講的我們本來是優勢 |
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第二項第五名耶國際第五名啊怎麼會不見呢是不是因為4G轉5G這種出了問題我不知道我覺得你們要去找出問題有些搞不好是NCC的有些是行政院的那都不一定最後我要拜託你啦是你今年3月24號才說的是各位所有的國民恭喜大家我們數位部啊我的一政府已經幫大家結合2700項的服務一戰時這記者會來你開的 |
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大家都很開心啊 終於可以點一下一個窗口一次購主結果呢 審計部的今年的一個資料出來了 我也請教你到4月23號你這點進去啊 根本連接不到連接錯誤 或者連接失效的你所謂的變名措施就是剛剛找到點的一個你的名字不見了數位的一個服務不見了你們這個要不要改善啊要不要改善 |
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報告委員因為審計部的報告是說我們有一半的這個服務它不是線上的那因為其實我們把線上的跟零貴的都一起放在這個網站讓所有的同仁所有的那個民眾都可以看到線上的跟這個零貴的 |
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至於說有一些是那個連結不到的因為省醫部他的那個連結方式你們這個這種科技技術應該每一天可以去檢查嘛哪些都不見了跳出來HDP什麼什麼404還什麼我忘了反正就這樣這個怎麼會發生這樣的一個事情尤其是我們當時的次長接任部長之後他開的記者會民眾只要有一個網站何況如果有很多網站都這樣了什麼現在都改善完畢了嗎 |
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好啦 我跟你講齁 |
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網頁連結錯誤失效從你這邊超連結過去就是你沒有檢查好就不對這趕快去改善如果是書面人家不方便是另外一回事所以我覺得這個部分我們希望能夠積極改善好不好 部長好沒問題我們會積極改善好謝謝 |