iVOD / 164155

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IVOD_ID 164155
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164155
日期 2025-10-15
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-4-15-4
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第4會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 4
會議資料.會次 4
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 內政委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第4會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2025-10-15T10:19:18+08:00
結束時間 2025-10-15T10:27:59+08:00
影片長度 00:08:41
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 牛煦庭
委員發言時間 10:19:18 - 10:27:59
會議時間 2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議(事由:邀請客家委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 基礎或初級認證這其實是中央鼓勵大家也鼓勵課與保存希望要讓大家去響應的一個政策目標所以他有若干的測驗那現在看起來都好像是以考試為主但是我想想要請教一下主委的部分這個你每一年在課與認證大概都通過多少人 全國全國一萬五千人左右
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 去年 應該說今年 今年到目前為止通過多少人因為今年齁 都在考試還在考試所以你們都是年底統計嘛所以去年是一萬五 前年前年多一點 再往前一年呢
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 就是說你有沒有整理一個每一年的趨勢有有有我們有資料像出種馬松也出了也有經驗的資料以你 以主委的了解啦這個每一年的人數是增加還是減少減少其實是減少對不對那請問主委減少的原因是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 感受到居住人員已經在學生的其實已經考過學位 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對 已經考過了對
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 學生人數本來變少 沒錯所以主要是 但是像今年喔 今年有增加過度到目前為止有比去年的同期過度也因此 內部在猜測可能學生幣 課金幣 有一些影響因為通過考試以後 已經做了很多學生幣去做消費
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 客家病嘛 有所謂的一個政策誘因我們回到新竹的這個案例來講啦因為按照新竹縣政府回應這個事情嘛因為鬧上了新聞 他們說這個因為新竹是客家大縣所以說教育部跟客委會就有鎖定而且要求全縣的各國中小分成核心的非核心的然後再開始檢討他的報名人數
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 那我請問 客委會現在有給 比如說各地方政府KPI嗎你每年要通過多少人 做客語驗證跟議員報告齁 新聞黨方寫的沒有這樣我們沒有分什麼核心非核心也沒有齁 但是有一個事情就是我們有一個案子 客語通行與平和同行與平和 也要每一年都有判判了以後 我們有自表
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 那主委喔
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 如果你講說等於是客委會其實沒有給地方政府明確的KPI嘛還是有還是有指標那你們現在各個縣市比如說你以桃園來講或者是新竹都可以就是客家人口比較多的地方
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 你有要求說每一年我地方政府要通過要求有多少人通過客語驗證嗎有 因為高菸絲政府不可以這樣分成兩大類一大類就是高菸絲客家縣市客家縣市嘛那一大堆那是非客家嘛你以客家縣市來講
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 欸 客家縣市 因為喔 它的營求數 客家營求數都一度它的公務營業 還有學生的通告比你的認證就要有一度那你的民營業都會累積上去所以 它會有指標所以會有指標如果縣市政府 地方政府沒有達成指標會發生什麼事?呃 它的評比到最後競賽 它的名次就會往下降
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 台湾民事往下讲会影响你们给地方的辅助或什么的吗影响只有奖金而已我现在提醒主委的是现在因为你讲逐年的人数他其实有一点递减的状况那递减的状况其实表示一个事就是了解这个政策而且去参与去考试的人他其实都去过了嘛就是你不可能突然之间跑出很多人然后去参加嘛第二个是本身有少子化那你用KPI我是建议不要跟
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 譬如說補助跟預算掛鉤啦你不要去造成地方政府的壓力啦對 我不希望有這種狀況你應該是鼓勵嘛好 鼓勵性質本席覺得OK你可以做保留啦那另外我要再回到新竹這個案子喔如果你們講說你們有一定到底是你們主導還是教育部主導因為向韓其實兩個單位嘛因為你要承辦這些考試等等的其實主管的機關是在學校哈比飛 潘音箏 那哈比飛
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 你辦驗證嘛那我的意思是說怎麼劃定核心區非核心區啊然後有多少人去我們不是說核心非核心那那個是教育部的意見嗎還是先主議員自己說的先主議員自己說我們在分類客家客家提起跟非客家地區
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 因為他是講說被教育部盯上 是新竹縣政府的回應那我希望是這樣 推克宇都很好 我們也希望用鼓勵的方式來做處理但是客觀上來講 每一個政策一定會遇到撞牆也就是說因為人數 宣傳達到了極限所以他的人數可能沒有辦法繼續往上的時候我倒不會像其他人一樣要求說你每年KPI一定要達標
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 而是你要有一定的彈性來做做檢討比如說你要了解覆蓋率啊我的我的課餘認證通過的比例按照佔客家人口的比例大概達到什麼時候他可能會撞牆那你的這個
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transcript.whisperx[18].text KPI的人數就要做一個合理的調整跟修正啦不要講叫亞苗助長就是說大家好意希望他多學但是多學的時候他沒有辦法執行的時候那這個政策等於是空轉啦那最後一天的時間我再請問除了考試之外啊這個你們課委會裡面有沒有做過一些思考就是說有沒有什麼別的方式可以來驗證或者是用比較生活化比較簡單的方式來鼓勵課宇的普及跟應用呢你們有沒有做過其他的討論面對這個KPI考試的政策可能會撞牆的情況之下有沒有新的方向
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 有 目前我們針對無窮用年齡層的學生生育都有無窮用的做法比如說像高中、高四、高中有三一年、高九、九十年課程就融入他們的彈性課程裡面
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 從學生學習的意念與理解學校文化與語言的意念增加去讀所以要做出一種方法對於優異學生有限有另外一種 比方說曾經是教學
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 現在已經全部合法的環境 因為生育的優異 差不多兩禮拜左右可以躺可以講 可以吃 所以有各種方法我們都會用無窮用的推動 會點下去就像VN說的 去思考無窮用的方法
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 這個相關不同的方式還有你我覺得近五年就是你有開始推課與認證考試近五年通過的人數跟各縣市的比例我希望課委會會後提供一份資料讓我們來做追蹤參考還有你未來有沒有什麼其他的一個因應的方式我們用更多元的方式然後也更順暢的方式來做處理這是本期今天質詢的建議好不好感謝紐委員感謝