| IVOD_ID |
164119 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164119 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T10:16:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T10:28:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db6166d845825252e8797bc26f8a2da1058fda6f2d8e3477dae8561d87bf4e94c8c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:16:51 - 10:28:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】） |
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好 主席 在場的委員先進列席的政府青山市長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生我們請行政院主計總處陳主計長還有負責統計的看事三位處長綜合統計國事普查主計資訊三位處長來協助一下我們主計長委員好等一下三位好 主計長好 三位處長好 |
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主席長 人家說家有一老 爐有一寶請問故宮有國寶 人民家裡有什麼寶人民家裡的老人是什麼是領國民年金的保險我們一般說國寶 國寶不是說那個故宮的國寶你如果說你家裡有一個老大人 他是念國寶的我要請教你 你覺得他是不是寶你對國民年金了解嗎 |
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來我跟你講一下一般人他如果沒有受雇沒有勞軍公教勞農保都沒有尤其是家庭主婦他在六十歲之前每個月要繳一千兩百四十五的保費 |
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這是國民年金的保費然後健保要繳826一個月要負擔的健保加國保要負2000 超過2000但是超過65歲以上之後他只要繼續繳800多塊的保費然後平均每個月可以領幾副領差不多4000請問這樣的老人是不是國保是 |
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我們現在回到今天正題我們主要是說我們要努力的提升但是很奇怪現在我們明年度的總預算現在在野黨還給你鴿子他們說什麼問題 為什麼鴿子 |
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他們說去年通過兩個法要提高軍人待遇要提高警校退休給付沒有編載明年的預算然後就開始說怎樣要修財化法財化法是財政部管的對不對結果是你遭殃總預算他放在哪裡問題在我們往下看 |
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我們整個財化法的精神我們年度總預算的編列是不是中央協助地方分攤人民的負擔是不是這樣子是人民的負擔嘛人民要繳健保保費嘛人民要繳國保保費嘛然後呢這個時候呢地方政府來幫人民分攤嘛 |
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然後呢地方政府力有未待的我們中央政府來協助嘛這個是不是就是說你一般性補助款的精神你地方政府要幫人民負擔的就是你的支出在一般性補助款當中我中央考慮到你的能力有差異所以呢我就能力強的我給你協助少一點能力低的我給你協助多一點是不是這樣這是才華的精神嘛那你們也是根據這個方式來籌編預算嘛好往下看好現在我們看一下剛剛的國保 |
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65歲以上的話你來看現在的勞動人口政府跟僱主幫他分攤七成的保費他自己分攤三成的保費如果說是沒有僱主的地方政府補助健保四成的保費中央政府補助四成的保費他自己要負擔六成的保費政府的這個是誰出 中央政府出嗎 |
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是不是這樣 健保保衛是不是政府自稱是中央政府嘛中央政府對不對 但是地方政府現在有的很好捏他說你後來的這六成呢你吃六萬 我給你倒分攤啦 有沒有有沒有哪個縣市政府說你的六成啊我地方政府也幫你出 有沒有有嘛 對不對那能夠幫人民分攤這六成的地方政府財政好不好 |
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怎麼不好 他不好他怎麼幫他分攤四成是中央分攤 六成是人民分攤但是六十五歲之後有的地方政府說六十五歲 阿娜 你的六成不用分攤我幫你出能夠這樣講的地方財政好不好可以這樣講的地方的財政好不好一定夠好嘛 你就不跟我說他好他才敢幫他分攤嘛那像屏東不好的敢這樣講嗎 |
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所以我要問你的是說如果地方政府財政好到可以幫老人家分攤他的健保自負額你覺得這個地方政府還需要中央協助嗎應該不需要鬥了這半天你才聽得懂 往下看 |
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來 我們政府要協助什麼最弱勢的嘛所以地方政府他如果財力允許他人民的致富的七成當 六成當中他會從什麼 深藏啦 中低啦 對不對這些人都很可憐嘛所以地方政府如果財政窘迫他沒辦法出嘛我們中央要一般性補助協助他嘛如果他的財源充裕我們中央政府怎樣直接幫 我們他就直接幫助弱勢了嘛是不是這樣 往下看 |
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所以我們來舉例大家可不可以聽說長庚集團人家說台塑有四寶這哪四寶嗎台塑台亞我就不用念了誰最大長庚的總管理數最大因為當年王永慶把台塑四寶的股票10%以上都放在哪裡長庚的總管理數長庚的總管理數是台塑四寶的大老闆 |
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那長庚的各分院你還想如果是長庚的各分院如果他財政分院比較差的總管理署給他支持對不對那如果說現在呢把這個股票直接交給分院分院就不叫總院了嘛是不是這樣子 |
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所以我發現啊 才化法啊中央統籌呢 本來在我們中央嘛現在呢 地方政府說你國票都給我啦 你不用給我鼓勵啦你國票給我 我就不用給我補助啊是不是這樣 有嗎 有這樣講嗎現在4165億給了地方政府了統籌分給他了 他說 你不用給我補助啊你國票都給我 我不用你給我補助我直接拿國票 國金就夠了 這樣可以嗎 |
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原則上是這樣啦 但是事實上不是現在要求要一般性補助要維持嘛對嘛 對不對 我這樣講沒有錯吧本來長庚醫院總管理處有台塑世保的股票每年有很多的股息 對不對你各個地方的長庚分院財政差的我就支持你嘛現在你的股票都給我了股息我就自己領了 還需要你中央嗎 |
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應該是不需要啦原則上應該不用好 結果我們來看現在呢我們送進來的最新版的才化法這個陳雪珍說345億公司設算錯誤分配不出去對不對怎麼辦大部分這345億是不是應該給離島的居多嘛是好 那我們來看一下往下看現在有個精明人主張這345億應該給誰 |
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給每人每月領不到4000塊的國保年金的這些被保險人老人基本保證年金是4049這法律裡面算出來的這人要照顧嗎所以近明年他說 往下看他說全台灣有國保年金212.5萬的人每個月領不到這麼多錢 |
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好 那如果我們他把他這樣排戶跟什麼限制呢他就可以補到8000你覺得可行嗎要不要照顧是要照顧的你現在能夠再挪出345億來照顧這些人嗎沒有辦法挪不出來 啊怎麼辦這些人要不要照顧 往下看現在這345億我考你啦 |
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有一個方法是說把公司設算改正了就給離島的39萬人你支持嗎這一個第二個說現在有反年金改革退休的公教人員包括警校提高待遇這大概50萬人 |
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另外還有呢國保年金幾戶領不到八千塊的有兩百萬人你猜猜看你問你家的老人問你家的國保你覺得如果你有三百四十億多出來他會因要求政府先優先照顧誰照顧三十九萬的離島人口照顧五十二萬的軍工教退休人員還是照顧每個月領不到八千的國保年金的國保來原則上是讓你自由發揮一下應該是要優先照顧那個 |
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沒有領滿八千的啦領不到八千的嘛那如果說我們財化法說這三百四十五億修法說用來照顧這個國民年金的兩百萬人你支不支持可不可以支持我們財化法現在三百四十五億分不出去了啊金平田說乾脆修法啦分給這些人讓他們每個月可以領到八千先不講法 講你的個人的情感 |
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妳覺得 妳會認同嗎如果能夠給老年的幾戶增加我覺得這也是非常不可啦只是說以目前來修法的一個方向大概是不可行啦法是誰訂的立法院訂的立法院訂的如果增加支出行政院要申請釋憲如果立法院訂的法說要照顧老人家 妳會反對嗎不會嘛 |
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所以怎麼去定這個法怎麼讓國家有限的財源去照顧最需要照顧的人是不是你們組織總是要支持的那你怎麼知道誰最需要照顧你後面站一排人來看下一張你去算一下這些領定期退伍給予的這些人有多少人年齡分布怎麼樣他每個月收多少錢收五萬六萬七萬你把它算出來 |
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離島的人口有多少人他們的財富分佈所得分佈你算出來現在在領國民年金給付的有多少人他們的財富分佈你給他算出來用這個數字告訴人民誰最需要照顧最辛苦的人最需要照顧還是那些月齡五六萬週休七日日遊七國 週遊列國的人需要照顧主席長知道我的意思了沒有是 |
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這個知道什麼時候可以給我這個部分必須要由地方來提供因為我們統計調查都是屬於抽樣那抽樣的東西你算不出來嗎 你不能跟考試院要嗎 |
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你算不出來嗎沒有關係你要負責讓全國人民知道離島的人口軍公教退休人口領國保的200萬人口他們的財富情況如何所得狀況如何誰最需要領多一點可不可以你要怎麼做你的事情本席要求你一個月內提供可不可以 |
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不是盡量 絕對要提供要讓人民知道政府有欠的稅金要花在誰身上要花在國寶身上家有一老 爐有一寶這個寶是周遊竊國 周遊欺國還是月領不到四千想清楚 然後跟人民說明白 好不好好 謝謝 |