| IVOD_ID |
164100 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164100 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T09:41:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T09:53:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d759c3dbefb57db6a1af40e033bb9c6997bc26f8a2da10586c439cd226d8052ef2803594d81e3c565ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:02 - 09:53:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請主計長我們請陳主計長委員好你好那麼今年的GDP要成長大概多少 今年 |
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目前我們大概是4.45我們自己4.45但是因為還有幾個月嘛你那個是8月底的嘛對 差不多那個是8月底的數字嘛9 10 11 12這幾個月因為有一個變數就是我們台美或者美台關稅在10月底才 傳息會以後才會確定這個會不會影響 |
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這個也會影響 所以我們會逐漸緩和啦會比較低還是比較高 比這個數字低還高我們預測應該也不會低很少我們本來當初在結束的時候預估是比較低但是現在是有逐漸緩和上來一個趨勢的一個那個所以大概今年你的預估大概差不多4%左右 |
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4.45將近4.54.45是在8月底的時候預估的 我說今年底啦但是亞銀估的部分是5.1啊所以他亞銀啦 亞銀在估算的時候他對我們還對我們估5.1你認為不會這麼高嗎我們應該也趨近啦 趨近4.45是高估還是低估呢 你告訴我 |
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有一點低估啦4.45低估央行他估的比我們還高啦央行估多少4.5多啦4.5多好不好 持續注意啦是那CPI現在看得很低才1.25對吧 |
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可是老百姓感覺物價漲很多餐廳現在一鍋一百塊都買不到對 它主要是食物主席你也跟我說一下為什麼你CPI看起來這麼低可是老百姓感覺物價一直漲主要是因為它石油還有一些材料的一些原物料它下降它下降的幅度因為這不是說屬於經常購買但是經常購買比較有譬如說水果它就 |
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水果長很多 長很多 水果 蔬菜但是蔬菜它現在已經有逐漸緩和了蔬菜因為它現在颱風過後之後它去復根之後又逐漸都已經改善了所以現在是水果比較貴還有一些就是房租 醫療那現在就是我們的食物的部分就是平常每日在飲食的部分它是比較高那這個部分差不多2.64那2.64食物的部分 那個感覺就很大了 |
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感覺不是1.25喔 1.25是整個的平均 跟老百姓有關是2.64食物的部分是2.64超過央行總裁的警戒性他是想2%啦所以我們能夠忍受的CPI大概2%了 |
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是目前我們大概一到八月份是1.77左右啦1.77是1.77左右所以我們主要是因為譬如說紅列也漲啦來 我再問你另外一個題目 |
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賴總統有說了 台灣之盾要打造這個T-DOM提到了要編一照的特別軍購條例請問這一照你開始編沒有 |
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229.02 |
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254.349 |
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目前還沒有還沒有 那11月份就要提出來囉但是他要先提相關的條例經過會員來審查之後我們才會籌編那條例什麼時候開始出來你不知道目前他已經有在相關開會啦什麼時候可以出來這個我們可能要問一下國防部真正的日期是什麼時候 是這樣現在那個主席長如果數字有錯 請你指正我們的債務餘額5.8兆這個對不對 |
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5.8兆因為它隨時是在變動的嘛這純料的概念沒有哪裡變動亂講純料的概念5.8兆是確定的那如果再加一兆那幾乎就是全部是舉債 |
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287.527 |
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6.8兆是什麼概念原來我們台灣人一個人平均的債務負擔25.6萬左右25 26萬左右就提高到29萬將近30萬這個東西很可怕 這個數字很可怕我跟委員報告我們縱使一兆也不是一年就一兆啦而是分差不多七年到十年我知道啦 可是這樣一年差不多一千 |
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一千億左右那跟我們現在相關的一個負擔是差不多的啦所以它不是一次就一兆元不是這樣的啦你今天雞同鴨講的這個我現在跟你講存量你跟我講流量你那個每一年每一年那是流量的概念我現在跟你講存量的概念下來因為這個5.8兆是確定的 |
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然後呢你再來加一兆那就變6.8兆這是不管幾年啦3年5年7年10年total就是一兆這個債務要負擔的但是每一年的稅入稅出的情形不一樣你又在講流量我跟你講存量嘛但是流量會影響到存量存量我跟你講存量就是我們 |
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我們的所有的納稅 我們叫tax payer納稅人 現在不僅僅納稅人我們的小孩子 統統加起來一個人是29.6萬創歷史新高好 我再跟你講一個東西喔你現在來講的話因為大家關心你來大家就想到統籌分配稅款其實給地方政府是統籌加一般加計劃這三條錢加起來 |
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你統籌分配數額多給了10100可是你拿回去2600實質上你就給地方1500而這裡面你們這裡面不知道怎麼去弄了動手腳還怎麼樣啊有9個縣市喔你原來這三個加起來比去年來少9個縣市是 對吧是 對嘛齁這9個是 哪9個啊 |
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399.298 |
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410.884 |
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目前大概是有台南、彰化、嘉義縣、屏東縣、澎湖縣、基隆市、金門縣、連江縣還有嘉義縣台南市、彰化縣、嘉義縣、屏東縣、澎湖縣、基隆市、金門縣、連江縣、嘉義縣所以這九個縣市等於 |
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等於115年 他的比114年都還低啊是對不對 那你換來怎麼辦我們希望說能夠在一般性補助款裡面能夠維持說他跟去年度一樣 |
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但是計劃型就少了啊計劃型你把它扣掉了啊但是三項合起來維持114年度的額度就等於是說他計劃型少了就其他的會增加所以他總額度是不變的我問你這九個縣市不夠的部分你有沒有補他錢啊 |
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475.316 |
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對 我們預計是希望能夠透過一般性補償來跟他補補多少錢TOTAL至少補到跟114年度一樣全部多少錢啊 多少錢啊 全部多少錢這個部分我們還要看幾十億喔 我們請那個省紀長來主紀長請回 |
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489.238 |
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好 董委員好你好 沈縣長先恭喜你啦謝謝繼續努力啦要笑臉啦好 我們來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
495.322 |
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我們現在很在乎的就是說我們拼命要買美國的武器錢付了 貨沒有到現在總共已經有200億美金付了但是沒有到這還有200億美金的貨沒有到比如說具體的就是你們的報告F16V特別預算 |
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518.954 |
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529.099 |
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那時候省很清楚2500億的特別預算到今年的6月底匯出去47.2億美金總金額59.07億的六成總金額這個就是飛機的錢 |
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第一架 原來說112年的1月出廠現在delay喔 到114年的Q1才出廠但是出廠是還在美國Q1出廠在美國所以第一架都還在美國那現在就是因為美國全世界看比較危險的烏克蘭就給他啦什麼地方危險給他 台灣就一直排後面台灣比較乖嘛 |
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那美國說115年的Q3開始交115年的Q4交完可是萬一如果又delay因為一直delay了原來講112年1月份要出場現在改到14年delay了足足兩年請問你按照審計法如果特別預算我們這個條例到115年底要執行完畢如果那時候還沒有執行完畢怎麼辦 |
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618.016 |
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我們在結算法裡面有一個保留制度他可以執行完以後四年裡面可以列保留如果四年內還沒有用完呢四年內沒有要保留一般我們會通知他你已經到了結算法可以保留的日期你還要不要執行不執行的話我們會把他減列就收回啦 |
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619.116 |
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就把他收回 如果不執行就收回了對 如果不執行我們會他的整個檢討如果他已經做了這個可能給他一點點時間他可能就完成了那我們還會給他保留現在常常有那種國防部常常買飛機買什麼的買那個錢交了可是東西不來 審計部的意見怎麼樣 |
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641.488 |
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我們有像這個飛機這個我們說你錢已經付了飛機都沒來我們希望他不要按他的那個工程進度付錢所以我們檔下他差不多12億美金檔下12億美金366億台幣這個是我們最後小點 |
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678.581 |
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你要不要督促一下國防部我們講了半天了 國防部也不太理把軍售改成商售啦這樣子的話我們就可以降低對美的順差啦這個很重要啊 審計部要不要把這個列為你的審計重點 |
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因為這個涉及國家的一個很大的政策你不敢講不是說不敢講因為要整個評估商售有商售的好處商售也有商售的毛病這整個風險也很大因為這個來講的話軍售的話我就沒辦法算在我的貿易順差裡面 |
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702.6 |
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706.726 |
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我如果這樣一來的話 買的話我的貿易順差就會降低我的關稅不會被坑那麼高這個可能齁 那個貿易那個量的話齁去檢討那個可能比較壞去思考一下吧 好不好審計的意見放進來吧 |