| IVOD_ID |
164086 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164086 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-14T16:30:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-14T17:01:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/41bbccea3aa417124eec923edce28a03be26ac7b86047e269d182f05f9417b3807ad918d6d5f52c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林思銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:30:36 - 17:01:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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好 謝謝我們橫院長有請那個卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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林委員好 院長好 院長我想我首先呢針對我們這個地方性補助辦法的修正這題先來就教院長院長我們在今年8月29號行政院公布修正中央對直轄市及縣市政府補助辦法主計總署對外說這只是配合新版的財化法沒有刪除補助只是改變補助方式 |
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但是院長真的是這樣嗎我們來看一下地方政府的反應是什麼第一個反應就是這根本是變相的三前變相的卡地方這次的修正把我們一般性的補儲款的範圍改成是具有經常性普及性基本建設或者是維運的一個性質財政均衡等事項 |
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聽起來是冠冕堂皇但實際上我們來看代表的是什麼 |
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這代表說我們地方要透過申請透過審查 透過評比能不能拿到這個補助什麼時候拿到 金額是多少全部變成中央說了算我想院長你一直搖頭我待會給你這個說明的機會給你答辯的機會院長這樣的改變 |
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地方的一般性的補助款變成非常不確定嚴重的影響地方年度預算的一個編列尤其是社福、教育、交通等預算的一個編列被壓縮得很嚴重造成他們非常大的困擾所以以前我們稱為一般性補助現在根本變成好像地方要跟中央要飯 |
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所以這已經不是支持地方建設這是變相要讓地方看中央的臉色本席以新竹縣為例目前新竹縣在全國的財力分級是第三級但這次修法以後主計總署說新竹縣會一口氣升級成為第一級表面上我們看起來升級好像很光榮但實際上升級卻是被懲罰 |
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代表地方自籌財源的比例要從30%變成50%中央的補助比例則從70%降為50%我們講白了 也就是中央少給 地方自己要多掏院長 這不是三補助 什麼才是三補助 |
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所以院長我希望院長深刻體會我們地方的財政其實已經捉襟見肘了這樣的做法不只是錯誤而是中央只想集錢又集權卻對地方自治造成極大的傷害與損害更是對地方建設的慢性掐喉更離譜的是我們新竹縣為什麼會應備升級 |
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這個我們非常不理解因為新修正的第四條偷偷改了財力集資的計算方式把未來才會拿到的統籌分配稅款硬是加進過去三年的這樣的一個計算方式 |
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院長我不懂這是什麼邏輯主席長大概跟我說明一下因為你111年到113年我們拿到就是稅款就是統籌分配稅款結果你確保115年才會增加的這個稅款提前把它灌進去 |
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所以這是什麼樣的一個計算方式根本是低溝道太多了硬湊數的一個計算方式所以地方實際上根本沒拿到錢賬上卻被算成好像是很有錢行政院可不可以這個折成主計總署修正這樣錯誤的升級模式請院長 |
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我請主席講很清楚的您說的這三四個問題都有很正面的答覆是 我也跟委員報告一般性補助款還有計畫性補助款兩者都是在均衡縣市它一個經濟的一個項目那這兩個的部分因為 |
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它裡面大部分都是屬於縣市應辦的一個事項那以中央政府來講今年在籌編總預算的時候它遭遇很大的困難因為它籌編不出來因為它如果沒有減減這些項目它就沒有辦法編所以我們今年舉債是三千億在總預算的部分市長我打算你一下我想我剛才的問題是請問你新竹縣為什麼從三級 |
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被變成一級 你是怎麼把它湊出來的是 那我們以115年度我們拿出就是分配出4165億的一個統籌分配稅款新竹縣拿到的是最多的所以這個部分它再佔財力它以115年度獲得的一個統籌分配稅款來分級它是第一級 |
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新竹縣是第一級所以我們是以財力來獲得到的一個財源來做排序但是新竹縣的統籌分配稅款依照我過去歷次的這個質詢新竹縣都是排名非常後面的統籌分配稅款非常後面一般性補助也是很少 |
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沒有沒有 他現在新的一個財源分配之後他獲得的一個財源非常多所以你是依照新的財源分配但是新的財源分配要100新的財務法是115年才可以拿到這個錢啊所以你怎麼會把他一下子從三級升到一級呢 |
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那要115年才能拿到這個權所以我們這個是針對115年的一個做分配但是你現在你跟我講說為什麼要把它升其實因為你要去把它計算它過去三年它的分配數以過去三年還要加上115年的圈數它的這個分配的數是非常的少 |
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不是 它115事實上是增加了170幾億的話因為這個造成我剛才一直講的就變成我們的未來爭取到的一般性補助款我們的自籌款要增加到50% |
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22縣市全部同一基礎 沒有一個是例外的所以同一基礎去轉的部分 轉出來再做排序委員 您應該看到這個數字新竹市也增加177億彰化只增加175億彰化的人口多那麼多 |
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所以從這個算起來看的話新竹縣增加的比例是很大的我想我們的公視很清但這個我認為是不均衡統籌分配稅款它的一個分配的一個比例按照相關的我們這次修的一個修法的一個它的一個整個它的一個補助的各項的一個指標都非常清楚 |
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我現在是說為什麼我們會從三級變成一級因為增加的比較多你不能一年來算這是算明年的 明年的期次其實這個算是邏輯錯誤我想我們這個問題先談到這裡但是我還是希望那個院長我們可以好好的討論一個合理的財政收入發動法因為這樣子的話真的造成縣市政府很大的影響第二個問題我要請問這個院長 |
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有關於台大竹北校地閒置迄今已二十幾年了院長你有到過竹北嗎 |
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交流道旁邊有一塊台大本來要建校的校地我似乎有一次車子有經過那一塊校地我們當時撥用給台大總共有22公頃從民國89年到現在現在只有一個必增館在那邊做一個推廣教育的中心其他的全部都閒置 |
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這個荒煙漫草非常可惜所以新竹人等了已經超過20年了就是說珠北這塊台大校地22.46公頃 |
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到現在行政院核准撥用給台大已經24年了當年講得非常漂亮喔就是台大要設分校要發展高等教育要帶動整個新竹的科技產業結果呢20幾年過去了只蓋了一棟我剛才講的必增館作為在職進修用的根本不是分校所以這樣叫做建設高等教育嗎 |
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這樣對得起當年台大對新竹縣民的一個承諾嗎我想我從議員一路到現在當立委這塊地我看了快二十幾年了地方的反彈聲音也非常的大台大就一直讓它這樣荒蕪著非常可惜地方人士每次經過都在問我說委員這塊地到底要控制到什麼時候 |
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大家都很惋惜 大家都覺得很傷感淡黃區的土地非常棒的一塊土地到現在就一直被閒置著縣長 我想您可能不太了解我們部長不要了解 但是我還是要講台大說這塊地是有償取得 |
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但是我們依照土地法第26條的規定各級政府機關因為興辦公共事業需用公有土地時應商同該管直轄或縣市政府懲請行政院核准撥用那麼教育部在113年有回文給本席的書面報告部長當時你也跟我講說新竹縣政府它是在89年6月5號含附同意國立臺灣大學有償撥用新竹縣的竹北市大學段 |
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1號土地面積22.08575公頃國立臺灣大學在89年8月15日函請教育部轉請行政院同意新竹縣竹北市大學段1D號土地有償撥用案經行政院於89年9月18日核准此案有償撥用 |
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所以我想請教院長如果是真的有償撥用這塊土地因為我們一直強調是有償撥用如果是有償撥用那金額是多少有沒有付款的相關證明教育部有沒有先請部長回答有沒有付款的證明因為我們是有償撥用 要他有償撥用台大你要付費的喔 不是免費送你的喔 |
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過去我針對台大在感謝當然我想新竹縣當時先生我是希望說借重台大的科研能量能夠協助新竹縣的一個發展現正的一個發展我想這應該可以肯定 |
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但我也同時也認為說如果台大本身它在整個這個科研能量或者學校的發展它已經沒有辦法再有一個更積極的去協助新竹縣的發展我也建議新竹縣可以考慮把它收回 |
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哇 謝謝我第一次聽到部長這麼有魄力的講這個話其實部長我剛一直強調就是說有因為我們現在想說台大要請他歸還這塊土地到底有什麼法律依據嗎這個很重要嘛那當時講的就是有償撥用那你台大確實有沒有給錢新竹縣政府這就是我們大家一個疑慮因為地方傳說一塊錢撥用一塊錢 |
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這這麼貴的土地現在價值可能七八百億喔甚至到九百億喔當時一塊錢撥用有可能嗎教育部有去了解嗎所以這個天方夜譚不可能就是我們講要有償撥用什麼一塊錢送你不可能的事情據我去了解根本台大沒有付半毛錢所以我請教育部去請教台大你當時的付款證明可不可以拿出來 |
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可不可以請部長你會後給我我們會後來跟台大這一個了解所以我想這個案子真的到目前為止如果部長剛才講的請台大如果你真的沒有能力去新辦去建設分校的話協助新竹縣政府作為相當一個科學教育的使用的話我們要讓地勁其力你就把這塊土地還給新竹縣政府 |
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因為我為什麼一直強調這個當初我們跟台大拜託請他撥出三到五公頃的土地給新竹縣政府新辦高中因為竹北的高中能量不足嘛台大拒絕了 |
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所以當時我就覺得奇怪台大怎麼會採得這麼硬22公頃請你撥個3到5公頃你都不願意這樣子會讓我們覺得說台大真的是不用半毛錢取得這塊土地你卻不願意讓新竹縣來我們當時講說新建台大附中 |
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這麼好的一個使用方式台大拒絕了我當時就是覺得非常的遺憾如果陳如剛才部長講的台大你真的沒有能力你現在一直想說要跟校友募款來蓋這個學校但是現在據我所知 |
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台大最近的說法是怎麼講台大最近說他竹北分部將規劃以次世代的半導體AI人工智慧 智慧醫療三大核心領域技術成立台灣科技中心產業聚落但院長院長你應該知道這個計畫永遠跟不上變化這個都是歸宿在進行台大已經給我們很多次承諾給新竹縣政府很多次承諾沒有一次有完成的 |
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所以在這種情況下我要特別提醒院長現在大家都希望我們的輝達能夠進駐各縣市政府都在爭取我假設一個前提如果說行光人壽與台北市政府沒有辦法達成合一解除契約的協議台大這塊校地有22公頃 |
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我們這塊土地它是跟竹北的AI科技園區相鄰近又跟竹科又非常近我們又有高等學府我們有很棒的科技人才我們的交大 清大 還有明星科大培育出非常多的科技人才所以這塊土地非常適合輝達來這邊設立亞洲的一個全球總部 |
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這麼好的一個地方所以我是拜託院長可不可以跟輝達講一下或者跟台大講一下也跟台大講一下去看一下這塊土地地理條件非常好的一個土地到新竹縣我幫新竹縣來請命爭取這一塊輝達到新竹縣來設立亞洲總部可不可以 院長 |
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國際大廠選擇他的設廠或是設他的營運中心他都有一定的程序跟標準在選擇那現在他跟台北市政陷入一個跟星光人壽的合約當中假設破局的話我是覺得新竹縣已經準備好了先跟蔣市長談一下如果他破局的話就往這裡來送你承諾可以吧 |
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當然要尊重產業但是最終的就是要把輝達這個國際大廠留在台灣這是無可取代的一個目標我們格局放大一點 不僅僅輝達如果世界大廠要因為現在我們希望我們這個台灣成為亞洲的資產中心所以這塊土地都可以做很好的利用 |
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所以台大如果真的沒有辦法去建設分校把這塊土地真的去育成新竹縣做更好的一個發揮利用好 那我們雙頭您跟蔣事長談一下那部長我們跟台大校長談一下到底這個地方怎麼用或許國科會也要進來談一下未來整個園區該怎麼進行怎麼樣對新竹有利 怎麼樣對台灣有利我們用方式方向來想 |
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接下來就新竹縣的兩個產業園區請縣長一定也要儘速的來推動我們新竹是台灣科技的心臟心臟不能停擺不能被行政作業來緩慢耽誤 |
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所以有關於新竹縣楊縣長的兩支箭一個是竹科三期的一個計畫一個是台灣知識經濟園區這兩個園區可以說是打造桃竹苗大細股狼帶的重要產業基地也是我們新竹產業升級的雙引擎 |
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卻因為省醫的行政程序冗長 不會溝通不利中央缺乏魄力導致進度嚴重落後讓我們地方民眾與產業界焦慮萬分院長 科學園區三期規劃超過92公頃的產業用地原本定位為竹科的延伸擴充區 |
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要承接半導體 AI晶片 智慧製造 車用電子等高端產業但是我們地方已經等了20多年用地變更 環評審查 交通配套 移載的延旦廠商一直苦等不到這塊土地地方發展被綁手綁腳所以請問院長 科學區三期的徵收目前內政部國土署審議的進度為何 |
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內政部可不可以 部長現在審議進度到哪裡 請部長請內政部長備訓 |
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跟委員說明桃竹苗大矽谷是我們進度最快的一個六大產業生活區我們一定會按照速度甚至加速才能完成因為它必須跟大南方新矽谷兩個合成一個台灣帶動的雙引擎動作來發展對 沒錯 院長講的沒錯因為現在就是因為有桃竹苗大矽谷狼帶的一個打造所以我才關心說現在它的進度到哪裡 |
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因為據我所知已經經過那個內政部現在審議的也差不多了現在就等那個大會的一個審議市政府說明一下好像也有縣政府該做一些行政上的做法我比較關心的是什麼時候會完成它的時程因為等太久了 |
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報告委員現在我們所瞭解是縣政府還在辦理可行性評估作業預計今年年底完成是 今年年底完成對 相關的道路工程大概要補助到2.87億元這個大概縣政府也瞭解但是後續仍然有環境影響評估的作業還沒有到內政部的國土署來正式提出申請是 |
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所以還有兩個程序還沒有完成現政府的程序要加快 |
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一個是縣政府要辦理可行性的評估作業但是他們已經告訴我們今年年底完成完成之後還有一個環境影響評估的綜合規劃作業這個還沒有完成但是我們已經有做這個超前赴水就是說完成相關程序之後他的道路會用生活圈的道路這個到底要不做環境影響評估我記得我在這個都審會的小組的時候我有參與 |
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這塊土地的驅散徵收不用進行環評沒有 環評你現在又回到要環評喔不是 它環境影響評估的綜合規劃作業還沒有向國土署正式提出申請 |
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在整個小組會議中好像對這一塊都達成共識不用提出環境影響評估因為有很多人提出報告委員 這個因為很大超過30公頃就要有送到環境部做環境影響評估這個是一定要的這塊現在又要回到我想因為我得到的資訊是不用因為在整個開會的過程中 |
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土地面積超過10公頃以上就要了我想這部分再請你們用書面的給我做很詳細的一個答覆另外就是有關於台灣知識經濟園區我想竹北是全國人口成長最快的城市同時也是AI產業與國際企業最關注的據點 |
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竹北的台資園區這塊土地大概也我們區段徵收大概規劃也有400多公頃所以這個園區它不論地理條件產業的連結人才的聚集度都是我們目前來講我個人覺得是全台灣最佳的選擇 |
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因為它就鄰近高鐵而且跟我們現在的生物醫學園區相鄰整個土地的規劃可以說是非常適合作為我們產業的聚落以及我們打造一個非常宜居的聚落 |
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所以我在此也是要請內政部加速審議這個台灣知識經濟園區的審議目前他的進度到哪裡了他的進度現在到哪裡了現在都已經都省會小組在審查中啊表示審查是有進度的 因為都省會的小組但是一直一直 審查已經歷經好幾次了請經濟部回答 謝謝 |
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包委員因為這個案子因為涉及到土地徵收的問題所以必須要按照土地徵收條例開公聽會那公聽會我們已經開完了所以我們會把意見送給內政部所以就可以往下進行可以繼續往下進行因為我現在要強調說我想院長可能不知道因為延旦快30年了這個案子是國家重大建設 |
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經濟部已經有在公聽會的說明會在說重點可能還是在內政部這邊因為土地的審議程序一直就是遲遲沒有辦法做定案 |
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百分之九十幾的地主都同意這塊土地去做區段徵收剩下些微的地主不同意好 那我們請內政經濟部這個徵收的說明會結束那麼意見總和以後送內政部結束審議 因為剛才院長您講因為我們就是大溪谷狼帶的打造這兩塊基地就是我們非常重要的一個引擎 |
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如果你遲遲不讓他通過怎麼打造我們的大細股科技狼帶我們要了解這個卡現在問題在流程在這裡請經濟部能夠加速把整合的意見送給內政部來處理謝謝 我想院長我們一定要有決心讓國家的重大建設啟動起來不能再一直這樣延宕了怎麼樣去爭取我們這個國際大廠進到我們台灣來 |
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那好所以我在此具體建議我做成一個建議請行政院責成國科會經濟部還有我們內政部立即捅軸成立新竹科技廊帶的推動的專案辦公室整合科山與台資園區明確定出開發的時程與目標請問院長是否支持本席這樣的建議 |
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是不是在陶蘇苗大矽谷當中就可以是一部分也是可以啦但是我想更細一點成立一個專案辦公室加速去推動我們這六個產業生活區我們都有專案在做處理合訂之後 合訂之前當然努力合訂之後有專案在做處理我會請 尤其國科會或是國化會也進來一起在做這個整個陶蘇苗大矽谷的案子當中特別注意到您剛剛說的這一塊這兩個產業園區啦 好 謝謝院長 |
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最後一個問題 部長你們兩個可以請回 次長 請回院長 最後要請問了關於警消退休所得替代率提高及軍人加薪的修法行政院未對軍人加薪提出複議但在4月1號就提高警消所得替代率以自愛難行提出複議 |
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在遭到立法院否決在8月22號提起釋憲並申請暫時處分 |
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但不關如此院長您還對立法院嗆聲說歷年來哪一個立法院替行政院編列預算院長您說過這樣的話這不是嗆聲我是依照事實來講立法院可以增加大幅增加稅數但一定要徵詢行政院同時指出資金是來源那這個都沒有理性我同意你說你不是嗆聲但是這是你的心聲 |
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不過本席首先要請問院長的是歷年來哪一個行政院可以不施行總統已經公告的法律有哪一個行政院長有這樣做嗎我們希望在合憲的範疇裡面我們來執行那到底合憲與否我們希望大法官會議能做出正確的解釋所以院長你的答案是沒有嘛所以目前我們看到就只有你率領的行政院你率領的內閣團隊 |
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我是不曉得院長你為什麼要一直口口聲聲說你認為這個案子是違憲我想我們警察人事條例第35條的修正案在三讀通過後今年4月25號我們總統就已經正式公告施行你也附屬了你也簽名了行政院可以不執行不依法執行嗎 |
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就是讓他生效以後我們才能跟大法官來申請解釋到底這個法律是不是要執行所以他已經生效了嘛 對不對所以我的問題就是說那你既然這個法律已經生效了行政院可以憑你院長你個人的意志你個人的想法就不依法行政嗎 |
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所以我希望能夠透過大法官會議來讓他的合憲性做一個正確最後的決定我想你是那我們也說過只要他合憲我們就編你是讀法律的啦編了以後我們還追溯到今年其實我只想告訴你 院長如果你這樣的說法你是行政院長 |
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你去講說這個是違憲的法律你是行政院長你又要兼司法院的大法官我沒有 所以我請大法官解釋你這樣的說法不是變成這樣子嗎我今天沒有斷定他是違憲我是請大法官來解釋但是憲法法庭還沒做出裁定但是他為什麼違憲呢他還沒做出裁定你自己就認為憲法70條規定的很清楚是立法院沒有履行那個程序 |
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沒有徵詢行政院 沒有指出資金的來源所以訂了這麼一個法律 希望行政院去增加支出我就是一直希望你要遵守我們立法院三讀通過的法律的規定 |
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我知道你的意思啦你心裡就是認為這是違憲但是相關的我們在法律解釋上這部法律不管有沒有違憲要大法官說了算而不是行政院院長您個人說了算所以我請大法官會 報告委員我尊重立法院三讀通過的法律但是我更尊重憲法 |
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那個 院長我們看你講的話啦行政院有表示啦可能就行政院的發言人表示這個案子已向憲法法庭申請釋憲與暫時處分若假如憲法法庭認為沒有違憲行政院馬上會進行調整及時追溯補齊相關人員的權益絕對不會受到影響 |
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我想如果與其這樣你為何不換個合法的角度我給你一個建議也就是說你先依法執行如果將來裁定核線就繼續去執行播放如果是違憲就停止播放並追回 |
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行政院你可以這樣做啊你現在就追回發出去的薪資待遇何等困難而且那時候我就會變成一個違憲的院長這個講法不對啦 院長因為我是說如果將來這個憲法法庭認為說我們這個法案是違憲的你再去把它追補回來嘛追回來何等困難我們追溯發放比較容易而且我就不會成為一個違憲的 |
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院長 合憲我們就執行 違憲我們就不執行這就是一個角度的問題就是如何去做會比較站在你行政院的高度會比較合法 而且不會去好像跟立法院一直對抗對沖光今年我們對警察 對軍人的待遇已經增加了171億 |
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包括追加預算的59.5億在內我們不是不照顧警察而且明年這個170億還是在的逐年都會有我知道你的想法但是我還是要奉勸你行政院一直堅持說這是一個違憲的但是我們的堅持立法院的堅持這是違法行政行政院不能成為太上的憲法法庭 |
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所以你把警消的人員的權益完全置住於腦後那我們在野黨現在也告訴你我們可能會把總預算退回所以你又說你始終願意跟立法院來寫上總預算我們只是努力讓大法官的會議能夠順利的開懲讓他做出最終的決定我們就依照大法官會議 |