| IVOD_ID |
164084 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164084 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-14T15:17:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-14T15:32:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/41bbccea3aa41712a81ec68a0019eb60be26ac7b86047e2666e6b1b0f8fa285fd2e2cafc87676f955ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:17:03 - 15:32:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主席好 麻煩請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢陳委員好院長好 辛苦了今天本席要針對台灣土地改革遺留的歷史問題特別是工地放嶺的中斷以及剩餘工地的處理提出質詢 |
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在1949年 國民政府來台 隨後接收日產所有的土地後來1953年 國民政府假借實施耕者有棲田的民意大肆地強行徵收大地主的土地以及地主自己沒有耕種的土地 |
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說好聽呢是要扶持自耕農但是呢到後來呢卻停止繼續辦理這個工地放零沒有把這個土地全數發放出去那這簡直就是用詐騙的手法來搶取豪奪人民的土地而且目前政府所持有的這些未發放的土地比較精確的來說這根本就是犯罪所得是不法所得而且是髒物 |
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我們回顧歷史在1945年戰後國民政府接收所有的日產包括廣大的農地還有供應設施原本應該透過工地放領落實跟擇有棲田的理想讓沒有土地的農民擁有自己的土地 |
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但是呢工地放嶺呢卻只有進行到1976年變突然停止那剩餘的數萬傾的這個數萬工傾的工地它沒有放嶺那轉為這個國有資產或者是都市開發用地那我想這個不僅是背離土地改革的初衷也讓這個世代農民的權益蒙城更讓我們政府的誠信蒙羞啊我想院長 |
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這種政策的斷層難道不是說對農民的一種背叛或者也算是對原地主的一種詐欺那麼民進黨政府我認為不應該再替前政府保管這些不法 |
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的這個土地那要嘛不罰所得的土地要嘛呢我們發給發還給這個原地主再不然就要盡速放零給資格符合的農民那作為執政黨呢本心認為我們有責任要檢討前朝遺留的這個政策問題要推動這個土地正義 |
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最近在宜蘭大南澳地區有試辦工地放零涉及了80公頃的台拓地讓長期耕作的農民以低價來購買土地不曉得說這項試辦的成效如何接下來是否會擴大辦理謝謝委員關心歷史上遺留下來的問題 |
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我跟委員報告現在政府存在一方面是向未來要加速前進另外一方面也是為歷史解決多年遺留下來的問題那您說的這個問題就是這樣子所以我一直說我們要為老問題找新方法為新問題找好方法我們為這個老問題我們去嘗試的從剛剛您所談到的大南澳的這個 |
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台東的案件是非常多的 面積也很多 名列前茅 |
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在處理這個大南澳台的問題的時候我們也請內政部就從全國的相關問題做一個總結做一個盤點如果請部長來做說明謝謝陳委員對於工地放領的關心其實我們院長在5月6號的時候已經有條件放領國有平地耕地優先辦理就是您剛所說的宜蘭的大南澳尤其是台拓地為主 |
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但是我們也去盤點出來未來會朝著三個方向就是如果符合國土保安保育跟公共安全的話內政部跟財政部的國產署會針對山坡地還有平地耕地還有養殖用地這三個方向來做包括放領條件現在我們正在盤點所有的法令依據以及從 |
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以前到現在的為止的所有的租約的比數跟相關的面積那您所提到的台東的部分當然相當多包括農牧用地也好或平地耕地的都在內那現在我們跟國產署一筆一筆再重新做一下這方面的盤點那盤點出來以後如果有這個法令依據的話我們按照法令依據上面的這個程序呢按照行政院的指示來辦理好謝謝兩位我想那個 |
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海東的農民聽到真的會 他們會微笑我們會非常的努力這也是總統多次的指示該是屬於人民的財產那經過這麼多年沒有辦法處理政府應該有一套完整的機制跟政策 |
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以及推送的這個目標日時程在這段時間我們我跟莊瑞雄委員我們也就是到下鄉我們開了很多的這個說明會研討會那聽取很多農民的意見那很多來的農民他們真的年紀都很大對這件事情也等了很久那過去我對於這個原住民的原保地我們辦公室也花了相當多的心力幫很多的原住民朋友拿回土地來但是我想我們 |
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其他族群的朋友也是一樣所以這個部分希望大家可以我們整個執政團隊大家一起加油趕快把這些還沒發放完的土地讓大家放領這樣子 |
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是 我們按照法令依據來做這個放檸的一個程序好 謝謝 那個內政部長請回那個院長您在這一次的這個我們花家沙的風災我知道你到花蓮光復至少去了三趟是 |
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總統也去了兩次我想在座的部會首長、正副首長也去了很多趟副總統也去了三趟有我自己辦公室的團隊還有地方團隊我們也下去支援而且從第一天都是女生進駐在當地一直到現在還在 |
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我想 我自己本身也去了很多趟我想跟院長分享一下這次我對於執政團隊到花蓮救災的一個觀察 |
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我個人相當肯定行政團隊一件事情就是這一次大家下去團隊不分彼此機關的政府首長我知道有人去了十幾天 |
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連續都沒有回家那我也謝謝各部會的就是說大家都沒有去分彼此也沒有去計較說這個是不是我自己機關本身的職長有狀況就立刻補進來就通報就馬上支援 |
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這個是我對於這次大家下去糾栽整個行政院內閣團隊的一個觀察在這邊也跟院長報告我要藉這個機會我要在這裡謝謝衛福部機關署的 |
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署長羅一鈞幫忙勞動部和勞動部責任署拍片提醒產值超人要注意安全要戴口罩手套等個人的防護用具那我也要謝謝環境部環管署署長顏旭明在災區他不斷的就是沿途他都不斷的一直提醒大家說不要站在怪手操作的半徑內非常危險這也是勞動部在職業安全衛生設施規則所訂定的 |
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那我也要謝謝環境部部長彭啟明具有職業安全衛生的專業知識提醒產值超人要戴護目鏡而且要注意下水道的通風換氣主動聯繫金管會還有保險局商討花蓮光復鄉志工意外保險那我還要感謝光復國中校長黃建榮雖然學校地下室淤泥很高但是他不隨便讓志工進去幫忙 |
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因為為了要避免這個發生有這個局限空間缺氧的問題這是勞動部在職業安全衛生所設職業衛生安全設施規則所訂定的是為了要保護工作者那我也要在這裡謝謝不知名的愛心人士在光復火車站為產值超人準備就在工作上所需的除了大家常見的口罩手套護目鏡以外還有 |
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大批的防穿刺的鞋墊跟雨鞋防穿刺的雨鞋那避免志工在工作時被剝離或者是釘子刺傷那我也要謝謝衛福部石崇良部長理解救災的志工是接受政府的號召有組織從屬性 |
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組織重屬性很重要我重複所以沒有像勞動部一樣計較過市的挖土機超人是不是在上班時間到災區直接核定20萬元的慰問金並且代替勞動部統籌設計保險的QR code我在這裡也要謝謝外籍的勞工朋友們聽從僱主的指揮調度 |
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到災區協助救災完工之後這些外籍的勞工朋友們甚至要求雇主說要用自己的假期留下來繼續幫忙這個都是相當感人的事情我們台灣真的要謝謝他們 |
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我最後還要謝謝農業部負責為災區所有執行救災的工作的個人志工這原先在保險是不知道大家怎麼處理有點麻煩的那我謝謝農業部為這些個人的志工投保志工保險那我再次肯定行政院不分你我那就是互相支援我在這裡要給大家拍拍手 |
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謝謝委員 不敢當您剛提到的凡是屬於行政團隊的成員都是我們應該做必須做的我特別要提到一位就是我們水利署的林淵鵬署長他可以說從9月23、24開始到現在沒有離開過現場我們還有的人可以去別的工作再換班因為他一定要把那個合體給他做好我也要非常謝謝光復商工的陳校長我進到學校看他在介紹說明整個學校受損狀況 |
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那種詳細跟他出自內心的那種焦慮我們完全感受所以當天有幾百位的志工幾百位國軍弟兄在幫忙時間很有限我們沒有辦法一一答謝但我只想說的救災的現場他就是像工地一樣 |
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我們包括部會首長自己下去該有什麼保護措施都不知道所以在這裡最專業的是勞動部如果可以的話他們下去支援我想會更專業我想就做這樣子的大家的一個加油鼓勵我接下來請交通部部長我想這次花蓮光復的災情有大批的超人志工湧入這個 |
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這個光復車站就是塞爆這個車站那20天累積了這個50萬人次創歷史新高那除了台鐵加開班次英之外呢這個景象代表兩件事就是第一個我們花東地區鐵路是非常重要的工具那第二點就是鐵路實施這個雙軌電氣化的重要性只因為就是 |
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771.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
795.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
應該說只有這個全線雙軌電氣化才能排除列車灰車的問題然後增加列車班次提高運量所以我想請教一下就是花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化預計2027年完工現在完成的進度大概多少大概完成百分比多少然後2027年底有沒有辦法如期完工請簡短回答 |
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795.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
815.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
報告委員目前我們是完成了43.59%那我們目前正在修正計畫當中兩個部分一個部分是經費有提高提高到691億另外我們的工期其實有延長因為我們之前遇到疫情的問題還有就是東部確實是比較缺工所以如期完工接下來在民國120年會完成120年那個好 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
822.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
823.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
所以120年2031年2031年 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
830.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
854.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
2031年我現在問的是花東鐵路雙軌電氣化的部分還要到2031年這個又本來以為2027年底會完成現在又整個大延後2031好那這個期程就沒有辦法再提早了我們會盡量來趕工 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
854.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
870.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那整個規劃的經費有增加嗎有增加 增加到691億本來是合訂了456億那我們總共增加了235億好 謝謝那因為我了解就是說因為安全的考量喔列車是無法提高加速到這個160 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
873.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
901.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
每小時160公里那這個花東地區鐵路提速的計畫你們有聽說要修正再送我們研議過了就是說提速的計畫目前有研議過因為安全的問題所以無法提速到160但是它的速度可以適度的提高例如說我們雙軌電氣化完成之後我們的運作的速率一定會提高還有部分如果假使我們的路廊可以更封閉的話我們的提速也會更快 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
901.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
914.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我想更重要的就是南回雙軌電器化的這件事情我也請在這裡要求我們交通部要一併來加速處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
916.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
934.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
一併規劃因為花蓮它就靠花東鐵路把人潮運過來但是台東我們也靠南回也靠花東鐵路所以這個部分要拜託你們一定要儘早趕快把這個計畫把它提報然後合併通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
953.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
953.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
好谢谢 |