| IVOD_ID |
164076 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164076 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-14T11:05:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-14T11:21:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/41bbccea3aa4171246e25e924abb296fbe26ac7b86047e26f8ae775ba66314c53dc5b1e4eb39a2a65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:39 - 11:21:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議(事由:一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。) |
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謝謝副院長麻煩我們卓榮泰卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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我今天先就教幾個我們在地方上非常關注的重大建設它的進度那我們都知道政府的施政當然是需要時間不管從規劃可行性分析一直走到環評環評過了之後還有相關預算框列等等 |
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但是總是建設是逐步逐步暗部就幫往前走但在地方期待的時候有時候進度的掌握會讓人民曉得這個政府在做什麼所以我先就叫幾個大的案子第一個台86線也就是從喜樹一路往關廟那現在計畫要打通到淚門 |
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這對高雄的北邊 岐山內門一直到我們台南的南側它的交通動脈是非常重要的一個建設那我也長期在爭取跟追蹤當中所以我先請教第一個我們現在不管年節甚至於平常上下班 |
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在台86跟這一個國道3號光廟交流道呢都回堵到二高上面也回堵到歸人的交流道它已經是經常性的現象每一次上下班住在那邊的人 |
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能烙到就烙到那從前幾任的行政院長開始進行那一直到現在我們第一段有關86號跨越台19甲也就是往光廟新化的這一段目前的進度已經環評完成環境部也報了那現在交通部公路總局提報建設計畫在9月8號送進行政院審議這個審議核定了 |
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接下來就是發包施工我們在地方也跟公路總局當地有一個一貫道的總堂我們都希望那個橋嫁接的時候在民間信仰上尊重他們都協調完了我把社會成本可能導致的阻礙都已經溝通完了所以我第一個問題很簡單現在行政院審議9月8號到現在什麼時候可以審議完成 |
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目前我們已經送到行政院在審議當中目前審議的過程當中如果還有其他各部會的意見我們也會一起來做說明說明完之後行政院應該會蠻快速來審議通過 |
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因為9月8號送上來審議了現在已經是10月13、14了所以應該是我們的業務單位業務處正在審理當中那最後還會經過綜合性的這個討論再回到這個最終的大概何時可以 今年可以審議完成嗎 |
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我會促成讓他今年一定完成今年要過了嘛我們希望今年把審議完成環境部的部分已經OK了啦現在已經是最後審議階段那另外一側另外一側就是走原來貢獻因為我們怕傷害原來的環境那邊有二地形越世界的地形等等所以從182線原來的四道原來線道現在是四道延伸到五經兩準打民粹道過這一個內門這一段 |
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現在是交通部公路總局提報環評報告給環境部審查嘛那這一塊現在進度下一個階段什麼時候可以進行保委員現在這個是在程序當中我不能因為這個環評是獨立審查但是我們現在呢其實環評我們希望說專業的審查讓專家因為這一段有經過敏感地形對 |
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這一段有經過這個紐譜啦這些破碎帶等等我是支持環評嚴審但是進度要讓人家掌握到我們常常看到一件事情上去兩三個月都沒消息也許你們做了很多民眾不知道所以後面在 |
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東側這一段靠近高雄岐山田寮這一段現在在環評當中嘛你們有沒有預計這個環評抓多久的工作時間報告委員我們現在環評大概一般的平均來說的話大概是說半年以內會可以告一個段落但是就要看它複雜的程度啦所以我們還是尊重這個環評委員的專業 |
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這一塊其實已經經過歐新等等環民做很多次了因為做很多次反而大家都了解會比較快呢還是因為做很多次所以比較複雜會跑比較慢 你的判斷現在其實我們的委員都很專業但是我委員 報告委員因為有些人會說我們這個開快車基本上這個都是按照一個程序在走我們不會給他特別的關注 |
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或是給他們任何的壓力都是他們獨立在做所以後段現在環評當中平均時間是半年但是我們尊重環評委員會獨立審查我們平均左右前段也就是塞車最嚴重的官票交流到這一塊環評OK了大概意見都一致了現在就等行政院核定那行政院在年底前我們希望能夠核定接下來就是準備發包施工相關的工作 |
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好 那另外呢昨天我謝謝鄭麗君副院長來到台南我們在沙崙國中有進行一個跟地方面對面的溝通其中台南市政府也是我們地方的需求提了ABCD四個案子這四個案子呢第一個案呢是把台86線這個台86線現在是一個交通大動脈 |
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早晚嚴重塞車的地方所以有時候我們要趕高鐵要走這條線要去關廟走這條線往另外一側呢到台南機場要走這條線到西濱快遙走這條線我告訴你真的趕路的人我不敢上去我都走區域道路因為他一直都塞住的所以我曾經在從林泉院長到賴清德院長到蘇貞昌院長到陳建仁院長我每次都質詢說 |
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86號已經固定了可是下面的側邊道下面有一個單側的一側往東一側往西應該善用下面這個側邊道把它拓寬讓地區的人可以透過這個解決塞車之苦那台南市政府也提一個案子53億要把 |
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台灣東西向台86號東西向的下面的側邊道各拓寬為8米雙線道一側由喜樹灣里往觀廟一側是由觀廟往西向喜樹灣里這可以有效減緩疏解台86東西塊上面的塞車現象我想這個部分從陳士凱擔任部長以來我們這個案子 |
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關心很久那現在呢台南市政府已經提一個53億的案子我待會詢問你進度第二個案子是有關高鐵特定區這邊是我們的綠能AI非常重要的一個區域那台86號呢是在這個區域的北側永瑟事實上在南側呢如果台南市政府提出一個把國道3田寮休息站官廟休息站跟國道1的 |
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仁德休息站那邊有一個長榮路如果把這兩條連結起來的話我等於用最便宜的預算在南側開闢了一個你類似的快速道路而且他會加會台南沙崙智慧綠能科學城以及高雄從陸竹以北這個區塊 |
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又不用用快速道路這麼高額的預算當然他現在快331億我認為是核實之後未必要那麼高這是第二個第三個是南157道這個圖片上有他是一個在我們現在高鐵的歸人交流道嚴重塞車在後端迎接的AI沙輪以及成大沙輪園區一個新的交流道一個大道 |
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那第一這個案子呢是屬於園區內的鋪面我就不再引述了這四個案子其中ABC案呢准許謝謝鎮議院副院長來我們當面溝通這三個案子我不曉得部長或院長有沒有掌握到目前可以核准的或要進行研擬的是哪些案子 |
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好 報告委員針對A案的部分我們會建議透過生活圈道路的申請我們也會來協助台南市政府因為他們已經提出案子了嘛那之前是沒有案子那現在已經提出案子我們就來協助他用生活圈道路的方式目前A B C我focus在這三案A案86下面側邊道的拓寬B案其實B案是一個非常有創意又可以減低工程衝擊把 你看關廟休息站 |
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跟仁德休息站用現在長榮大學外面那條長榮路把它拓寬把它整個串接起來這條路開闢起來的話會非常有效果因為我們現在台南人都知道我們仁德交流道以南天天都是那個是時時刻刻都在塞車他得把兩個休息站當交流道用 |
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把兩個休息站當交流道用然後把它關這一個我請交通部好好研擬這個案子可能要好好去思考但A案跟C案你能不能允諾來支持這兩個案子這兩個案子講很久了我們會來協助市政府透過生活圈道路的申請模式來申請那另外一方面就是說如果假使經費不夠的話或許國科會這兩個A跟C案用生活圈道路一定不夠啦 |
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我們來申請看如果不行的話就是國科會他們針對這個南科產業第四期計劃他也有一些預算可以來協助我希望行政院跟陳士凱部長這邊ABC三個案請你們列管其中A跟C案如果可以統一競訴統一因為其中86號下面的車變道我已經追了快八九年了 |
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那好不容易這案子慢慢現在成熟了而且現在不做 將來一定後悔因為越來越貴而且它旁邊的需求量越來越大而你做了之後對於從奇美博物館 台南機場 喜樹喜樹灣這邊 其實那邊是紅色海灘整個在戰略上的需求 經濟上的需求以及新的成大醫院沙崙園區它整個會串聯 AI園區都會串聯在一起你慢慢走下去 |
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願慢做他的永篩會越久所以院長你的態度報告委員就依現在剛剛部長答覆的A案C案這兩案子我會請國發會國歌會一起來討論這個事情我們中共共建設跟這個南科的整個發展區域性的發展我們共同來討論這個事情儘快把它做一個 |
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有進度的時間讓他出來讓民眾知道我們下一步是什麼下一步是什麼什麼時候可以開始動主具體讓納稅人了解進度是很重要的好重大尤其重大建設對民眾來講他可能不曉得可行性分析他也不了解規劃他不曉得這些行政過程那我們政府有一個責任就是重大建設要讓民眾用最簡單的方式了解現在進度到哪裡這個我可以拜託行政院 |
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好另外呢另外這個交通建設案以外呢我可能先請兩位部長下去了我們請法務部上來好不好基隆之前的民政處處長張淵祥他私底下他的權責他是管護證的 |
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結果他為了去罷免民進黨籍的市議員私底下把戶政事務所的資料庫打開 |
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讓他們方便連署本案已經起訴也判刑一年十個月了部長知道這個案嗎我今天不是要你談個案我覺得作為一個立法委員老是在國會殿堂質詢個案這個是非常不妥適的但我現在講說那個案子已經審判了就是謝國良的民政處長偷偷拿民政處的戶政資料提供出去讓人家弄連署 |
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這個罷免民進黨籍的基隆市議員後來現在被判刑一年十個月所以這違法很明確那我現在請教如果用駭客的方式駭進戶政機關把戶政機關裡面的個資把它拿出來這個有沒有違法 |
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這個駭客這個有妨害使用電腦罪這個是有刑法358、359條的這個樣態有沒有比那個張淵祥的案子更嚴重這個當然是很不應該啦這個是很嚴重的行為那這個是五年以下有期徒刑的罪那另外呢利用駭客的技術把準官方機構類似央廣啦或者中央社啊這種我把你換成五星旗 |
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這個行為抓到的話這個涉犯什麼法律這個有那個有這個有甚至有個資法的一個問題那還有那個這個要違反有違反相關刑法相關刑法這個像這個案件是北檢有在偵辦中的去偷個資是一個法律用駭客手段也是一個法律嘛他等於是有兩個違法所以我現在請教我們目前國家像我們訴發部我們治安署我們 |
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我們治安辦啊 甚至於國安局啊我們部隊都有類似這樣的這個知通安的相關的建制如果有人 比方說有人找了駭客駭進去戶政事務所駭進去官方網站 把他置換的時候我們有沒有能力回頭溯源知道IP在哪裡 範銜在哪裡這是一個偵辦的技巧嘛 有沒有能力部長 |
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如果發生這樣的狀況的話,我們會儘速的派人去...以你了解,因為我現在講說,這樣子的樣態,我們有沒有能力回溯出范嫻的所在跟身份? |
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是這個要看那個犯案人員他用什麼樣的方法沒有在境外有沒有能力境外的話我們可能要檢查他的那個log他的那個記錄那看是不是能找到他的那個他用跳接的VPN的方式境內境外跳來跳去以你們現在能力有沒有辦法掌握這個要看那個駭客他的技巧到什麼樣的程度這個案子不能小覷喔如果今天我找了 |
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其實政治人物不應該找駭客去駭民間的資料庫或公家的資料庫是這是嚴重侵權這在美國FBI是重罪如果在美國FBI是重罪他們抓到好幾個中國有五個去駭進他們的資料庫全球通緝所以這個是重罪所以你們的能力如果有辦法溯源找到我覺得應該盡速偵辦嚇阻這樣的行為好不好 |
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好谢谢谢谢 |