| IVOD_ID |
164073 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164073 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-14T10:33:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-14T11:05:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/41bbccea3aa4171268c9bcc662c40138be26ac7b86047e26f8ae775ba66314c5c51d64fd757f76385ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:33:54 - 11:05:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請行政院卓院長請卓院長備詢卓院長 您知不知道目前中選會有幾位委員 |
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目前中選會的委員都還在但是有幾位已經任期已經屆滿會到11月3號會屆滿有幾位任期會屆滿我們還要補六位 |
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還要補六位嘛目前中選會有十位委員六位在11月3號他們任期會屆滿您知不知道依法行政院什麼時候應該把提名單送到立法院來跟委員跟大院也致歉這個應該在任期前三個月我們要送到任期前三個月所以應該8月3號就要提來嘛是對吧是 |
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那到目前為止都沒有提來我們一直在到目前為止行政院我們有一直在積極準備提名期限的事情是中選會組織法與無誤嗎我們一直在積極的勿設也敦請這個相關的社會公正人士但是考慮到很多的現狀行政院當然啦有各式各樣的行政程序要進行我們理解我們也尊重 |
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但現在全國人民很困惑的一件事情是說依照中選會組織法的規定你們在8月3號以前就要把提名單送到立法院來但是現在已經10月了 |
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明顯的違反了中選會的組織法我再次跟委員跟大院致歉這個我們因為考慮各方面的意思沒有關係啦我們會努力在這個月你明確的知道你明確的知道說你違反中選會組織法有跟社會跟本院致歉本院致歉就好希望被提名的名單能夠趕快送過來因為連中選會的主委李靖永他都講得很清楚啦他很擔心啦他很擔心 |
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會影響到明年的選務 我們不希望這樣的事情啊 能夠再發生我們會盡快作業 那麼也希望大院能夠緊速的來安排相當的時間院長你說會盡快作業 大概什麼時候會提來人選我希望這個月 月中以後能夠提出來 |
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我提醒一下院長之前NCC委員提名單的事情你已經在立法院跳票過了我希望這件事情這次中選會委員你們已經違法沒有在期限之前提出來那你現在承諾的事情這次不要再跳票第二件事情也是整個社會很關注的事情這把法庭宣告或者是說實質上面有人說實質廢止有人說限縮死刑的宣告 |
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那個時候針對死刑當在實務上面成為一個很難發生的選項以後當然有很多委員在辯論我們的憲法法庭是不是實質廢止了我現在關心的不是那個層次的問題大家關心的事情是說在去年9月的時候法務部 |
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很明確的說會盡快把無期徒刑不得假釋的送到本院來審議在你旁邊的正部長我相信部長在委員會裡面被我追問這個問題也問了好幾次那部長有的時候是無奈有的時候是動怒但是從部長的角度來講我可以理解他的心情 |
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他跟我說他們已經提了提到行政院了在行政院院會裡面做討論我兩次一次是在5月19號的時候他說他會跟院長轉告因為我說社會都很關心 |
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然後我等到7月30號的時候提醒了第二次提醒了第二次部長還是說行政院還在審議現在整個社會很困惑因為去年這個判決出來了以後當然引發社會軒然大破但是更多人民關心的事情是說那你如果要跟這個憲判制相配合在立法上面無期徒刑不得假釋的法案請問行政院到底還要拖多久什麼時候會送來 |
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因為這個是部長我在委員會已經請部長回答過兩次了那部長每次回答我說法務部已經把法案送到立法院沒有 送到行政院那在行政院審查當中我每次在委員會問部長部長的答案都一樣說要等行政院院會我沒有辦法我只有藉由總執行的時候來請教院長 |
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跟委員報告他那個五起徒刑不得假釋那部分法案的確法務部有送到行政院但是因為委員對這個提案是非常有興趣的關心很多事實上跟原來比我們法務部提給行政院的一個法案 |
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更多的一些的建議譬如說刑法286條沒有關係我今天其實只要一個答案還需要多久不好意思喔請針對問題回答還需要多久那我想這部分行政院還在針對法院還在研議嘛還需要研議多久我了解啦我了解人民從去年就開始等嘛 |
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等到現在你們去年九月宣示到現在已經超過一年了嘛剛剛部長講很多理由我在委員會都聽過了今天我只要一個答案啦第一個行政院什麼時候會把修正的版本送到立法院來 |
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今天可不可以給個時間還是說因為這件事情很重要我們要持續的研議要研議到什麼時候其實院長也不知道好 報告委員這個法制上的修改尤其是這個事情牽扯到社會曾經有討論過的非是與否那現在已經不是討論那個事情了是那個無期徒刑的這個部分因為跟我國現在的重要我提醒一下院長 去年去年跟社會宣告社會進促提出來 |
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希望在去年年底以前提出來是行政部門的官員是你們開給全民的支票我們已經在委員會一等再等一等再等我們希望秉持最大的善意就像院長所講的這是一個重大的說法我當然希望看到行政院的版本但是人民同時也在給立法委員壓力請問要等到什麼時候 |
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這個是一個中華民國刑法重大的改革所以我們希望能夠更周延更廣泛的了解我也希望現在我們在負責審查的政務委員是不是也能夠跟 |
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跟黃委員來做溝通是不是外界還有一些問題跟我們現在所想像的有不同政務委員是林明星兄政委我希望他請林政委能夠跟黃委員來溝通隨時要找我溝通我這樣講啦明星兄台大法律系的學長隨時要找我溝通沒有問題但是這不是私人的問題 |
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這個是立法院跟行政院的問題這個是政府跟人民的問題你看我今天在這邊整整花了大概四分鐘的時間其實我只要一個簡單的答案我希望院長可以跟全台灣關心這件事情的人民說行政院還需要多少時間這個問題應該沒有很困難如果我去年就問你這個問題或許太苛刻但是從你們對社會宣示到現在已經超過一年 |
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超過一年以後再問這個問題說還要研議多久還要拖多久我想應該不過分吧因為我現在不曉得林明新政委審查的程序遇到的 |
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真節點在哪裡所以林新兄要上來嗎他又不能上來答詢他不能上來上來不能答詢那我請林平新政委跟委員溝通跟朝委各黨溝通盡快我們在沒有關係啦我相信全社會都聽到了院長的答覆啦那能接受不能夠接受大家覺得理由充不充分每一個公民心中都有一把尺我們來努力盡快把他送出來過去這段時間針對我們的水庫有光電板的事情引發社會軒然大破啦 |
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一開始的時候看到的是烏山頭水庫後來有委員去看到原來鳳山水庫也有但是我稍微整理了一下 爬梳了一下就公開資訊我可以看得到的除了烏山頭水庫 鳳山水庫以外還有鹽水壁 還有金湖 還有內浦子 還有阿公店 |
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現在台灣實際上面的狀況是山野光電板 海野光電板連水庫裡面全部都有光電板針對這件事情引發了人民居民跟一般台灣的民眾用水大家的疑慮那個時候民進黨在你們的臉書上面還是在你們網站上面有個辟謠專區辟謠專區他說烏山頭水庫太陽能板真相在這裡第一個太陽能板沒有堵 |
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第二個不會造成飲用水的汙染我昨天前天其實有機會的時候現在站在您旁邊的兩位一位環境部部長一位經濟部部長其實我都公開請教他們這個問題第一個問題是說針對人民 |
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對於在水庫設光電板的這件事情有非常高的疑慮但是民進黨卻是用你們官方的網站告訴全台灣人民說說這個可能會有疑慮有安全疑慮的大概是謠言所以你們要闢謠現在我不講黨的事情在立法院裡面我們講的是政府的態度就政府的態度就在水庫設光電板的這件事情 |
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院長您會繼續推進還是會下令停止 |
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三點跟委員報告第一個 發展多元綠能還是政府重大的國家經營第一個第二個 我們對於現在已經產生的這些光電板在水庫裡面我們長期監測水質是沒有影響的第三個 未來處理這些光電板以及水質的問題如果是我們能力未能所及我們就不去開發除非我們對技術的掌握安全的監測能夠完全在我們掌控之中 |
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我這樣子具體的問好了啦就是說到底安全不安全這環境會不會造成影響你一定要有個程序進行評估嘛對啊 那到日前為止我到院長稍微看一下之前烏山頭水庫設置光電板要不要還平我問過彭部長彭部長說修法前不需要還平但是現在你們修改了行政命令了以後還是不需要還平嗎 |
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現在還是不需要環評嗎我們現在正在規劃當中上次我在月盤委員會質詢您的時候你應該完全可以聽得懂我的point因為過去所造成的現象是什麼都不用環評所以我們看到在山坡地保育地也變成光電專區全部都光電板在海上也有現在連水庫都有了 |
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現在在水庫都有的情況之下環境部告訴我的是說那要不要環評這件事情他們還在評估當中但問題是什麼就在你們在討論在研議的過程當中要設光電板的業者是一步一步一步一步在推進我為什麼說一步一步在推進我絕對不是為人聳聽我那天就跟彭部長講了在水庫 烏山頭水庫現在要進行第二期 |
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夏天的時候業者開法說會的時候他已經公開表明了說他現在要推進第二期現在在不用環評的情況之下我們法規上面有什麼障礙去阻止業者繼續推進第二期還是現在行政院的政策立場是說他們說要推進第二期但是行政院不會准 |
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報委員雖然有一些面積比較小的個案是不需要環評但是它還是需要環境檢核的程序所以現在陸山頭第二期環境檢核的程序做完了嗎我老實講啦我先停一下啦你們那個所謂的社會環境檢核啊那種報告書啊我看很多本我看很多本 |
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我當初在追光天碧暗的時候台南不管是七股還是北門那種環境檢核書自治的我看過非常多本的容我這樣子講那套制度利益良善落實到實際上面的時候根本沒有辦法發揮功用我覺得最簡單的嘛我以台南七股現在已經 |
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對檢察官起訴的案件來講當初在做社會檢核的時候為什麼明明違反小六甲的禁令結果從地方政府到中央政府大開後門讓他一路暢行讓立揚可以取得高達超過90億的不法利益 |
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這件事情完全沒有check出來高委員他沒有拿到電驗許可所以他一毛錢至少這幾個案場他沒有拿到任何的錢我用詞都很精準為什麼我說不法利益這四個字啊我跟拱部長報告不是我說的是檢察官寫在起訴書的是檢察官寫在起訴書的不法利益超過90億但我還是回來原來的point你要去爭執檢察官的起訴書寫錯說沒有超過90億的不法利益 |
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我尊重你就到法院慢慢去講但我要講的是我說的話有憑有據剛你提到社會檢核我就以立揚當作例子告訴你你們所講的社會檢核基本上是利益良善我沒有否認但實際上面要落實的時候他明明違反了小衛甲的禁令你們開了三個例外 |
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我問了前任的經濟部部長請問符合那三個例外的哪一個例外回答不出來我相信啊今天你也不知道符合哪一個例外就是沒有違反就是沒有符合任何例外還讓他違反小二甲的禁令檢察官才會用圖利罪去起訴嘛整個事情的背景是這樣但是我還是要回來這裡我們現在還是要面對一個問題我相信卓院長聽得懂 |
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我們在修法以後在水庫喔現在現行法是不需要還平的業者在我們目前行政院所謂在考慮要不要要求還平的時間空檔當中人家在步步進逼所謂在步步進逼我也不是為人聳聽我連他法說會的PBP我都秀在上面了他在8月21號的時候今年夏天 |
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所屋山頭二期水面型光電重設作業進行當中那我現在的問題很簡單我相信這不是只有我關心很多台南的鄉親都關心第二期你們會不會讓他繼續走下去其實大家只要你一句話而已部長說明一下 第二期因為那個地方政府沒有同意所以也沒有這個案子確定不會讓他走下去嗎對 其實現在沒有好 我希望在 |
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統部長環境部部長想清楚以前想清楚以前不要像過去一樣出現了所謂的法規的真空或是法規的縫隙讓業者在這段時間當中通通不用還品例子太多了啦我如果要舉所有的例子出來的話大概剩下的質詢的時間全部都要討論這一題了我希望 |
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在考慮清楚以前不要做這件事情但是與此同時我也要問一下我們院長的態度這個就是我剛剛跟你講的從2016年5月到2025年7月9年的期間當中光電的環屏零件光電的環屏零件一件都不用做因為一件都不用做所以大家看到的是什麼 |
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山野光電板 海野光電板通通不用環評那現在 彭部長上來了以後應該是在去年年底 今年年初你頒布了新的規定嘛你新的規定 我也做了一個對照表 |
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因為我看了所謂環境部新的規定了以後我看了跟以前通通不用環評比有沒有進步我必須要說有進步環境部有進步的地方我們要肯定因為過去只有重要的施地要環評其他通通都不用環評 |
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那彭部長上來了以後他最起碼頒布的命令針對一些區域需要實施環評他有增加上去嗎但我們覺得有所不足所以有所不足指的是什麼地方針對國家風景區脆弱的敏感地區在一定的面積以上要經過環評這個政策立場請問院長贊不贊成如果照委員的前提講起來脆弱地區風景區這個地方都是我們要保護的 |
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我同意委員這樣的一個非常的好這個就是理性的政策討論嘛因為台灣民眾黨立法院黨團我們已經針對相關的法案送到立法院來了那天我有跟彭部長很誠懇的說我們在跟時間賽跑行政部門有行政部門的考慮我們都尊重 |
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但是在立法院裡面我們聽到了基層民眾的聲音基層民眾的聲音我們就必須什麼反映在國家有效施行的法律當中這樣實際上面才可以落實嘛那否則的話我們今天站在這邊質詢市場討論市場不要說沒有結論啦沒有具有法規範效力的東西出來的話你根本沒有辦法阻止這件事情繼續的進行第二個水面型的光電 |
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要經過環評 院長贊不贊成水面型的像水庫 像海上現在喔 彭部長我應該沒誤會嘛上次執行的時候你也講得很清楚嘛現在水面型的通通不需要經過環評 |
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因為目前全世界對於水面型的定義還沒有很明確但是我們最近很努力在找我覺得水面型的定義其實沒有那麼難去界定在水庫裡面鐵壁是水面型那針對水庫裡面的需要經過環評這件事情院長同不同意 |
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我本來的想法是在水面一定面積以上的我們可能要更慎重水庫我們可以往更慎重的方向來非常好 你說得很好我跟院長報告水面一定面積以上的要經過環皮 |
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這個就是台灣民眾黨立法院黨團現在所提出法案的內容比你們現在環境部完全不需要經過環評更符合院長的意思希望這個法案不過委員我要跟您報告像日本是要到40公尺40M以上沒有關係啊我們面積可以討論嘛對沒錯面積可以討論嘛總比總比你們現在 |
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完全不用環評開了法規的縫隙跟空間讓業者可以在這段時間當中去大搞特搞要來得好這就是我所講的意思今天台灣民眾黨我們所提出來的版本是一萬千瓦以上或是五公頃以上要環評我可以老實跟院長報告我們這個版本一提出來了以後環保團體馬上來找我們所以台灣民眾黨你們那個版本太鬆了 |
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什麼五公頃 一公頃就要了一萬千瓦太高了兩千千瓦以上就應該要送了這是環保團體的聲音但是我們也要符合實際上面現實的狀況所以我才跟院長講說現在的狀況是最糟糕的狀況我為什麼說是最糟糕的狀況現在不管面積多大通通都不用環評 |
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當部長第一次我聽到他表明說一定面積以上的要經過環評面積多少我們可以討論但是這個政策方向不管是在行政命令的層次還是在法律的層次往這個方向走 院長贊成嗎 |
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我們共同來往更進步的方向走所以多多溝通跟環保團體也好跟我們所有現在那個能源政策的配合我們多多的溝通往更進步的方向走我希望在年底以前這個會期這個是現在全台灣的民眾不僅僅是台南的鄉親不僅僅是高雄的鄉親大家都共同關注的問題另外一個是針對有關於這個 |
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我直接先跳下去因為齁 這個過去的事情我不太想再講了啦出現了這個生態的破壞 該清就趕快去清一清啦我去委員市長就清完了是啦 對啦我那天執行的時候 7月16號執行的時候經濟部次長跟我說99%清理完嘛對 現在已經清完了是嘛 你講的是現在嘛他7月16號跟我說99%清理完嘛結果7月16號之後 我是實事求是的 |
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現場根本就沒有清理完我接受了以後部長很認真啊直接跑下去看啊看完了以後現在是不是清理完現在是清理完了但7月16號的時候在衛團委員會經濟部次長回答我的根本就不是真實的東西但我現在要進入另外一個比較重要的主題是說當初吹成那個樣子 |
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我們的經濟部出來護航說當初已經有基本設計風速納入考慮經土木技師簽證你們那時候的標準是幾級風大概不一樣的地方是13 1413 14左右你知道業者當初承諾的是幾級風嗎你知不知道承諾的承諾他要抗幾級風業者當初要做的時候他要做規劃要做設計 |
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要給當地居民理解嘛 要跟主管西關報告嘛是 嘉義的 我現在就講嘉義的我討論事情喜歡具體 我不會跟你講抽象的事情針對嘉義的這個事情 當初釀成了非常大生態上面的破壞嘉義那邊的鄉親都很關心所以我才會去追嘛 清理完了沒有 |
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那委員會跟我說99%清理完 現實上不是這樣我也是善意的告訴你們啊我也沒有否認彭部長很認真啊知道沒有清理完趕快跑去嘉義看啊沒有沒有 我們主動的去裁罰他們他們必須要去清理 對對對對好 不好意思 我修正你表現得更好 你是很主動的下去裁罰要趕快把它清理完 這個都沒有問題但是 我現在要追究的是這真的只是偏災嗎 |
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因為當經濟部發出這樣子的聲明的時候說啊 歸咎於風力太大 風很大這我沒否認但是我們要看的是什麼如果風是這個樣子那我們當初規範的標準是什麼剛剛部長說不同的地方是三級或十四級嘛所以我才請教經濟部部長說你知不知道當初就是這個嘉義的滯洪池當初業者承諾的是幾級風來 沒關係 我幫你查好了 |
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當初2019年光電業者他說可以抗17級強風這個是光電業者當年白紙黑字寫出來的東西你要跟居民掛保證空口說白話講都很會講現實上面經不起考驗下一個問題 |
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當初跟居民所做的保證說可以抗17級的強風結果現在遇到13級就變成剛剛那個樣子了院長你覺得這件事情誰要負責 |
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我們當然要對廠商施以強力的要求不過我跟委員報告當時我去到離這裡不遠的另外一個廠那個比較處理得很好的廠他也是一大片他只有一部分受損重點是受損的時候這個業者非常誠心的快速的把它處理掉我們認為那你這個兩個層次的問題 院長 |
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剛剛你講的事情完全就是我要講的point有兩家廠商一個沒有做好一個有做好我們這次社會上面要有規範政府要有態度要保障居民的權益是不是就要針對那個沒有做好的廠商我們已經開罰了那他父親應該有就對了開罰有兩個部分第一個他違反行政法上面的作為義務那個是罰款 |
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那是對於過去行為的處罰但是還有第二項事情第二項事情是他所釀成的災害他所造成的損失他違反了當初的承諾這個責任要怎麼追究這個不是行政法上面的行政法我在這邊不會信口開河院長你如果不相信我的話會後你可以請教林明信政委我們行政法的權威跟專家違反行政法上面的義務的行政法跟 |
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他自己的行為違反當初的承諾所造成的損害的填補這是兩個不同層次的問題院長我只要一句話第一個這個廠商的責任除了行政法上面的行政法以外要不要追究 |
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我認為經濟部除了在跟契約合約內容的要求履約的這個責任之外如果真的有釀災或者造成其他的損害我們可以在行政法之外再跟他做很好民事的行政法就軟掉嘛 |
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他是雲報能源 他是永興 不是雲報不是 他是一個外籍的沒有啦 再往下包我全部都查完了不會 我們那天就看到他是一個外籍的民事在現場剛剛您說的啦 除了行政法以外其他責任的追究的部分我給經濟部時間需要多久要去了解一下 需要多久應該不用太久所以是多久 兩個禮拜時間兩個禮拜 好 可以 沒有問題 |
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接下來 不好意思 我只剩三分鐘這很多年輕人關心 你讓我問完你有什麼話要講 你會後再補非常多年輕人關心社會住宅的事情我昨天在內政委員會也請教了劉士芳部長我們先看一下 賴清德總統他所開出來的政界包租蓋管17萬戶 新建的 就是蓋的啦 |
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1667.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1687.99 |
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13萬戶 租金補貼10萬戶以上所以他答應他要做的跟蔡總統以前已經答應要做包括已經做的跟還沒有做的還有在進行中的加起來是100萬戶這個數字要很具體的跟大家講非常多的年輕人在關心說內政部針對有關於興建的部分13萬戶 |
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1704.224 |
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到底什麼時候要核定因為太多年輕人關心了NGO也跑來找我所以我昨天在內政委員會我請教了我們的劉士芳部長說目前現在的進度到底是怎麼樣因為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
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在今年4月16號的時候行政院有發函給內政部要求內政部緊述重新檢討後再行抱怨我的理解是內政部也重新檢討完也抱怨了但我昨天請教他的問題是什麼那行政院核定的進度是什麼到目前為止核定了幾戶 |
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1727.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1749.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
我昨天在請教劉部長的時候劉部長說你們今年的計畫到底核定了幾戶要興建他說有 有核定有這個數字我說確定嗎還是根本還沒有核定他說有 當然有這個數字但是我手頭上沒有這個數字這個是昨天的組織我全部把它列出來了院長 核定了嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1777.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
謝謝黃委員的指教昨天黃委員指教的部分因為昨天的議題不是指直接興建設宅沒有關係我現在去查出來以後我想會後我辦公室的同仁跟你們部裡面的同仁聯絡過了以後部長應該現在了解實際的狀況我也沒有要去追究你昨天回答的答案是錯的但我現在關心的是目前行政院決定要核定幾戶 |
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1778.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1796.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
這個大家關心的根本重點是這個因為你今天要求的就是114年的時候賴清德總統到底有沒有答應這個戶數到目前為止就是說我們住租中心加上一部分的這個地方政府的部分大概現在的絕標的戶數大概接近2000戶左右 |
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1797.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1821.677 |
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那如果是由住住中心那是你們決標的那兩千戶全部都是蔡英文總統任內合併的社會住宅沒有沒有沒有 報告委員114年社會住宅興建工程的款我們總共編列是418億元那執行了129案到現在我已經支用290億左右也就支用率是70%左右不好意思喔 我還是回到最根本的問題針對13萬戶啊社會住宅的政見跟承諾第一個 |
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1825.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1845.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
行政院有沒有要履行第二個現在核定到底幾戶因為這個數字啊我一而猜 猜而三的問我跟黨團啊幾乎是每個月都去跟主管機關問永遠問不到數字因為行政院還沒有核所以昨天劉志邦部長跟我在內政委員會說有核啊只是數字 |
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1860.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1860.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
好 謝謝 謝謝黃偉 |