| IVOD_ID |
164064 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164064 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T12:54:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T13:04:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edc136d29642396fa50179f4a20aeac8eafeaa2f1cd0be3abd6f2c2abc92875f3cc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃建賓 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:54:38 - 13:04:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、原住民族委員會主任委員、農業部部長率所屬單位就「堰塞湖監測、災害預警通報、疏散機制及災後復原重建」進行專題報告，並備質詢，另請經濟部、環境部、衛生福利部、行政院公共工程委員會派員列席備詢。） |
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謝謝主席 主席我們有請內政部的部長委員好 |
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部長這次花蓮馬太安溪驗射物的這個潰壩事件造成19人的死亡這我想這對全體國人都是一個非常非常沉重的這個傷痛在這邊我們也感謝所有第一線救災的人員跟我們的志工那目前我們這個救災跟重建的進度都還在持續的進行當中但是我們想事發至今已經將近了20天那許多國人心中還是充滿了許多的疑問就是說 |
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究竟到底是為什麼會造成今天這麼嚴重的災害那到底在各項的緩解當中我們出了什麼樣的問題那因此本席今天會安排今天的議程就是希望各部會能夠一起在我們立法院清楚的跟我們國人來報告我想只有釐清問題才能夠找到改善的方法我想說我們就是希望作為未來我們政府防災的一些寶貴的經驗我們能夠強化 |
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我們全災害應變的能力我想這個才是符合賴總統所說的這個韌性社會我想針對這一次驗射虎潰壩事件本席認為我們必須從源頭驗射虎的監測處理開始來討論再來就是我們災害的預警通報然後疏散的機制最後是我們災後復原重建 |
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這就是為什麼本期這次將這次的主題專報的主題分為這幾項我們就是不希望我們只顧著去究責某一個特定的環節甚至是某一個單位某一個機關然後最後變成一場卸責大會要面對災害防災絕對勝於救災 |
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那我想能夠提早的發現潛在的災害的風險來做好妥善這個防災的規劃齁盡力把災害降到最低我相信這筆數讓我們救災的補充在這方面的借機務又比較重要了齁那我想接下來我想要請農業部次長是 朝偉 |
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市長根據我們農業部的報告農業部針對這次驗射虎的事件有列出的時間軸就從7月底開始確認有驗射虎的存在然後接下來就是進行多次的會議還有災害風險評估但是從這一次的經驗我們明顯的發現到計畫絕對趕不上變化尤其是在現在的極端氣候之下我們東部地區又常發生這個地震頻繁然後 |
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一次大一次地震或是一場大雨就可能把原本大家規劃好評估好的事情全部都推翻那加上這次菸涉湖涉及到的這個阻亂機關不只是單一個單位我們中央必須要痛定思痛來強化各單位之間的聯繫我們資訊的共享還有通報機制我相信呃市長也非常了解這個過程我找真的問題哦那因此真本席提出兩點的建議第一個就是說 |
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強化跨部會的這個驗射壺潛勢監測平台那本席知道我們農業部目前一個叫國有林防災應變及驗射壺監測系統但實際上我們去網路上看我們去網站上看它比較像是會診各單位的這個會議紀錄的一個地方那農業部應該要更整個更多的跨部會的這個即時的資訊包括我們農業部的這個邊波的穩定系統啊然後航車的圖像還有水利署的水利署這個 |
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河川監測資訊等等嘛我們可以透過我們這個AI影像來判讀監測我們地形的變化然後提前來辨識我們高風險這個地段讓不管是我們中央也好地方政府也好甚至我們當地的民眾都可以一目了然然後上這個平台能夠有效的即刻掌握到我們資訊那第二個 第二點的建議就是我們社會中央解釋應用社會風險地圖應變的SOP |
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目前我們之內有土石柳還有河川做潛勢風險的這個地圖以及分級警戒應變機制那但針對我們這間社會這樣子複合性的這些災害未來應該有更明確更專屬的風險地圖以及不同的這風險應變機制才對 |
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那這當中我們涉及到的這個資訊整合的管道絕對不會是單一個地方政府他有能力做到那我們專門一定要扛起責任這真的要跨部會來一起來合作那針對菸攝乎的這個事件界內風險之後我們在每一次的地震或風災過後我們就要針對高風險地區再做一次的評估再做一次的評估 |
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那避免未來的事情將會發生像各位應該很清楚知道0403之後整個東部的狀況他越來越難找我所以他即使去變更這個是很重要的那你能夠了解到 |
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或是他是在台東發現 我們該怎麼辦其實台東的鄉親也很擔心我們在這次下鄉的時候 每個都在講說我們在家裡很累 要不要衝一排大家都很擔心會發生一樣的事情因為我相信這件事情對國人都產生特別是東部的民眾產生很大很大的陰影那我想這邊再請市長來回應 |
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好非常謝謝召委兩個提醒也是提問啦我想就像您所說的其實在整個氣候變遷加劇的狀況之下所有的災害其實都會是複合性的而且不是單一點的那我們現在要做的其實就是把這些資訊第二要整合起來 |
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所以刚刚提到的不管是这个浅市区的监测平台不是只有农业部也包括经济部甚至包括我们的NCDR科技防灾中心还甚至我们科技国科会还有各个专家其实这是一个团队那也许有人手上有这部分资料有人有那部分资料一定要统合起来看才是一个完整的这个风险地图而且这个一定要随时做所以我想我们不管是卫星资料航拍资料 |
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無人機資料或是甚至最近我們也找了那個經濟部那個地礦中心他們有長期的監測資料包括礦產整個的變形我想這些資料都統合起來才是我們將來在防災也好有更好的準備那老實講真的不敢講說人定會勝天因為在什麼狀況之下我們真的不知道我們只能希望說 |
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我們希望有更好的準備所以剛剛提到的不管是在平台也好在救災的SOP還好應處的準則或甚至在演練我想這個必須在一次又一次的操作中讓大家知道說其實要有準備 |
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那其實我們能夠有更好的結果如果我們大家能夠一起把這件事情再做得更完善一點不管手冊也好SOP也好更精準的預先溝通或者是能夠提早做準備寧可及早疏散就是預防性的疏散我們也不願意見到有任何一個人的損失我想這次應該在一次一次當中我們要學習到的 |
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市長我們希望能夠接受這件事情之後發現到整個未來應應整個極端氣候我們該怎麼去面對特別是跨國的合作然後跟地方政府合作我們不希望這樣的憾事再次發生那特別也都知道像這是像邊鄉地區他原本就是在資源缺乏然後人口老化的情況之下 |
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他們根本沒有能力根本沒有能力應付這麼大的災害那接下來我想要請我們這個請教這個內政部的部長保定這針對這次驗射虎這個災害事件內政部作為災害防救中央主管單位我想他絕對有必要的責任針對災害發生後 |
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各個環節進行全面性的檢討我想不管是中央或地方都一樣我們就是好好的釐清問題才能夠解決問題啦齁那趕快本身就提出兩個建議第一個就是說針對目前的這個災害防救法有一些關於撤離的規範過於簡化 |
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尤其是針對這個強制撤離居民這一項就缺乏明確的相對應的這個強制手段其實是對於地方政府也特別是偏鄉你要在短時間撤離千人真的是一件非常困難的事情本期從村幹事開始然後到 |
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地方的民意代表然後到鄉鎮長我們在側村遇到的情況都是很難去處理的那因此對於相對這個相關策略方式的分工以法律賦予政府機關強制力這個如何以確保生命安全為優先然後給予更明確的這個規範我想在這個法規上我們應該要進行來檢討 |
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那第二件事就是在強化驗社會這個防災的宣導還有演練我想這一次的驗社會造成這個大規模的災害可以說是少有這個先例可循那又涉及到剛剛提到跨部會的這個資訊的整合那我想必須要由中央機關來組織輔導我們地方 |
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縣市政府甚至直接輔導高風險地區的鄉鎮市公所進行這個縣市政府的防災宣導還有應變的這個機制擬定我們才可以從上到下更具體的這個強化防災韌性還有我們民眾的這防災的意識那以上這兩個建議我確實不一定我們也好好來研議一下但本市再次強調我們希望 |
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絕對不是去歸咎哪一個特定的單位或是個人或是要釐清問題才能夠解決問題那避免造成我們這樣子的傷害那以上就是幾個建議也請所剛剛提到的兩個單位能夠好好的研議那以上謝謝 |