| IVOD_ID |
164056 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164056 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T12:31:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T12:41:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edc2ab10de7bf00678d85f90000f7f2f0ab54e55ddf1b168a31c5430e83854d74935ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:31:44 - 12:41:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長、經濟部部長、原住民族委員會首長、國家通訊傳播委員會首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、行政院主計總處首長、內政部首長、教育部首長、交通部首長、環境部首長、文化部首長、勞動部首長及衛生福利部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請經濟部鞏部長我們請部長 謝謝 |
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部長好 部長本期的問題跟我們今天召委其實類似我再follow一下因為剛剛他的這個新聞也有出來就是早上有質詢過所謂的烏山口水庫的這樣的一個光電板的部分那您這邊也有承諾就是說只要是地方政府沒有再核定的話將來是不會再允許任何的水庫來租借光電板使用那現在進行中也先暫緩是不是 |
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第一关就是地方政府他必须同意地方政府通常同意之前他会跟居民做沟通这些做好以后才会送到我们水利署送到我们能源署来是 |
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是送完能源署來好但是現在來那我請教部長我直接比較請教一下吳三頭水庫是因為現在有所謂的網路的影片大家才看到說怎麼會有這樣的一個清理方式雖然說我們第一時間有講是說他沒有使用藥水但難免大家會有疑慮嘛對不對那請教現在全台灣到底有多少水庫是上面有光電板已經核准五座五座那五座全都是民間開發來租用 |
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大部分是由开发单位像说公务部门像我们经济部水利署也有在阿公店然后像乌山头水库是由嘉南农田水利分署这边在办理的都是由一般是由但它到底是公务部门还是那民间业者我们公务部门然后用抓标方式让民间进来做这个使用用权力的方式来做一些处理 |
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所以其實在這個過程裡面變成是開發單位還是以公部門為主囉我們公部門甲方是公部門那如果說這樣的話剛剛有提到就是這個租約到期就要不續租那有沒有可能提前來執行完畢因為你是甲方嘛 |
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叫烏山頭烏山頭因為這部分是農水署那邊我們請農業部因為烏山頭是農水署所以我們請農業部農水署對甲方是我們公部門是不是不是你們說清楚來你們說清楚 |
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是土地租用報告委員因為農水署加囊管理處是水庫的一個管理機關那是由加囊管理處來跟業者來發報讓業者來承租 |
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所以到底本席現在想要釐清的點我覺得這也是為什麼我們到目前為止大家一直說明不清楚就是說到底這個光電板是我們能源署這邊有相關的一個計畫讓業者這邊來設置那只是跟我們公部門來借土地就借這個水庫還是說我們置始置終是由水庫單位這邊來去做推動 |
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報告委員當初是依據我們配合再生能源的一個政策還有經濟部的太陽光電兩年推動計畫來推動這些我都理解我現在直接講是說到底假方式假方式由加拿大當初招標是108年的時候那是水利會的時代 |
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那後來的話在114年開始營運的時候那就是已經江南管理處了就是我們農水署江南管理處是那如果說真的對於民眾有疑慮其實我覺得說為什麼大家會覺得看到這個畫面然後再加上是說我們之前的颱風這個不管是光電板的破壞其實很顯然的以及很簡單的一個理由就是我們的能源政策到底有多麼的脆弱以及左至右處 |
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就是說連水庫上面我們都必須要寸土寸金去增地然後去蓋這些所謂的光電板那光電板如果說有任何相關為什麼會有民眾的疑慮在國外是非常常見的我有看到國外的案例但是國外的案例其實它也有很多的地方其實它沒有說一定是水庫上面蓋因為這不一定是主流本期剛剛也特別查過相關的資料 |
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但我們現在要問的是說為什麼會讓民眾會有這樣的疑慮就像昭偉剛剛質詢的時候也講到這一個水庫它其實灌溉的是我們整體相關不管是農用不管是相關民眾的生活所以說對於民眾對於水質的要求其實是很大的那結果上面居然有這個光電板有相關的這一些設施會讓大家會有疑慮水質一直在監控當中 |
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好 那我請教部長監控部分能不能有一個即時來秀有沒有秀 有可以秀給民眾看嗎民眾隨時可以上網去來現在有嗎在官網裡面都有現在在台電的官網還是哪邊的官網我們在農田水利署的官網還有加拿大管理處的官網裡面我們都有公開隨時檢測的一個資訊 |
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每多久檢測每多久檢視多久檢測我們是一年檢測五次廠商檢測兩次管理處檢測兩次本署檢測一次一年有五次的一個水質檢測一年五次所以平均的兩個月三個月才一次 |
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的公告是不是對 我們就是檢測完的水質資料跟剛剛部長講的讓我們還以為是說是即時的一個讓大家能夠放心好像有點落差這個即時就是我們檢測完的資料我們會即時放在網站上面 |
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我們每天都在喝水每天都在灌溉然後你跟我們講說三個月看一次這個清洗會不會清洗完之後他的這個不管是水質稀釋水質這個淨化有可能一兩個月之後他又他又已經過去了但是民眾的使用是每天的能不能加強 |
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如果說現在這件事件已經讓民眾有疑慮了能不能加強更透明的每天是有基本檢驗的如果是引用的部分每天基本檢驗一劑是有完整檢驗那這個基本檢驗的一個部分能不能也上網及時讓 |
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跟委員報告那個我們的每季的檢驗是在我們官網是有公告的對那每日的基本檢驗我們只是做記錄是操作人員只是做記錄部長所以沒有問題所以時間嘛那當然我是說其實我們都站在同一個陣線上來講希望讓民眾更安心如果說民眾真的有疑慮的話就是要資訊更公開透明那還有我還是強調就是說其實寸土寸金的情況為什麼你連腦筋動用在水庫上面 |
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某種程度上就是真的寸土寸金嘛一味難求嘛然後我們能源左至右處嘛謝謝我們繼續努力但是部長我剛剛提出來的這個建議也請這邊經濟能源署相關部門能夠把它放在心上適時的公告給予民眾知的權利我講孟愷所講的我們剛剛其實在質詢的時候就已經要求說 |
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你們馬上在我們這個會議完之後把我們包括飲用水的檢測在烏山頭這個區塊飲用水的檢測還有我們灌溉水的檢測全部拉出一個那個制式的一個網站當中 |
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讓我們烏山頭所有的民眾有擔心的民眾可以直接而且我們的檢測基本上本身就已經有很多的一個檢測系統在裡面不是隨時放上去你這樣說怎麼會動輒說你是三個我要去檢測一次不是 我們整個監測系統是早就在那裡只是三個月公佈一次那現在我們就隨時公佈對 我覺得朝偉其實重點是多久更新一次隨時公佈多久更新 |
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然後檢視讓大家能夠了解我們就是要求他隨時公佈因為他要先把那個檢測系統我們要求就是我們這一次烏山頭的飲用水還有我們的灌溉水全部自己拉出一個 |
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不要是說我要去這個水利署才看得到你們的然後去農業部才看到你們的不要既然烏山頭這一次已經引發這麼多的疑慮了我們就把它拉到一個自視的平台針對大家如果對烏山頭水庫有疑慮的全部進到這裡就可以看到而且我們是隨時更新 |
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趙薇 我建議一下因為剛剛有講到現在目前全台五座水庫上面是有光電板所以如果說真的要做比較全面的是應該連烏山頭水庫以及其他水庫能夠做適時的揭露資訊都應該要做揭露 |
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570.587 |
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我們現在因為烏山頭水庫現在是我們媒體的焦點我想現在我們先把烏山頭水庫先把它拉出來那其他四座的水庫陸續補上好不好陸續補上我們待會下去的時候烏山頭水庫先補上然後後續四座陸續補上拉出一個我們自治的一個平台好不好監控我們所有水庫光電板的水質問題謝謝 |
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對沒錯就是先先用我們技術上可以先連結然後變成一個大家點進去就可以看到我們烏山頭水庫的一個水質狀況我們再去思考後續要怎麼再把其他的拉上補上好這個部分再麻煩那我們現在請葉元之委員 |