| IVOD_ID |
164055 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164055 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T12:22:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T12:32:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edc2d4f80525efd1c44eadaba873199798254e55ddf1b168a31a12d4359cc2b37275ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:22:29 - 12:32:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長及行政院食品安全辦公室就「重大食安事件處理之檢討與食安稽核人力不足問題」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我想請部長請施部長部長我想請問一下就是那如果像剛才所有委員在質詢的那現在跟百威這樣子就是工廠加工廠到底就是不管當然經濟部有納管而沒有合法的還有一些沒有納管也不合法的那到底在市面上還有多少 |
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大概我們的做法會是這樣子處理就是用他的這個稅籍跟我們的食品業者的登錄每年都會做勾結去發現用業者的稅籍跟我們的登錄食品業的目前稅籍加上食品業的登錄兩邊登錄如果不一致的今年查查的結果大概4萬家 |
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71萬的食品廠大概有差不多4萬家這有不合不合我們就會去由各衛生局去把它對就會去查核然後所以目前報的只是冰山一角是不是這邊跟委員進一步說明因為4萬家是這樣我家做生意所以我先登錄了一些相次但它實際上營業的是沒有所以因為只要是有不一樣的我們就把它挑出來並不是說這4萬家都是有問題的是因為它 |
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申请这个营业项目跟实际上是不一样的所以目前你们所宣称的4万家只是说就是营业项目跟登录有不一样的部分是不是那这只是说在可是到底有多少家你们很清楚所以我们跟委员说明这4万家我们是泽乌城卫生局逐家去查查他确立他的营业项目到底跟他登记的能不能够一致 |
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那四萬家是跟目前百威的狀況一樣嗎不一樣 百威是完全沒有登錄的它是沒有登錄的它完全連登錄都沒登錄的那你們現在查有登錄的結果沒有登錄的才有問題啊 是不是 |
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現在是不是這樣意思沒有登錄的意思就是說在我們的這個食安法裡面有規範你這個食品業者你都包含攤商你都應該去確認你的來源的合法性要來自你合法的來源所以你這樣子說你從下游去查但是你先剛才按照你所跟我說的你其實是去查那些已經有稅籍的然後與登錄不符的部分是不是事萬家 |
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但是百威的狀況並不是這樣他違法使用工業的雙氧水然後去來就是說去來清洗這個豬大腸導致這樣子有食品安全疑慮的進到了所有的小吃的商家嘛對不對我們甚至還不知道進到哪一家我從新聞看也只知道說有著名的麵線而已啊那其他呢 |
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這個案子是分成兩塊一個是本身他的登記他沒有他做這個加工可是他沒有去合法登記這個是一個問題第二個是在加工的過程使用了我們不允許的添加物就是這個工業用的這個雙氧水 |
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那所以這個整個流向是清楚啦所有從他的帳部裡面流向我們都對外都已經清楚公佈主要流入市場的就是在台北市跟這個屏東這兩個市場的地方而已所以流向是清楚那我們的重點是第一個這一個 |
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没有登录完整的这个业者是重罚的那当然也要提醒所有的这个整个食品链当中的所有的业者你都要去确认你的来源是合法不要去购买不明来源的货源这个也是有责任的那第二个就是我们透过这个追踪追溯的系统去把整个这个产制销整个链都能够建构起来 |
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所以才能夠掌握這每一個地方都是來自於合法的這個業者所以這個是追蹤追溯的這個系統的建立那讓他更及時的話那就是做到電子化包含這個電子發票的開立跟電子登錄 |
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可是我是說其實當然你剛才講的後端的就是一些登錄跟就是說登記不實的這部分當然是另外一個部分但是其實最重要的是就是說我們這一次發生這個食安問題最重要的部分在於它使用非法的這樣子的一個加工的這個東西那這個部分的我認為你們應該要全面性去清查這對於民眾現在時的安全是最重要的 |
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那當然你們必須要了解像這樣子的工業用的雙氧水到底有多少用在食品的這個添加物裡面嘛是不是然後或者是用來相關處理食品的這樣子的一個程序裡面那這才是民眾目前最擔心也最擔憂的因為畢竟這都是銅板美食嘛那對於民眾可能日常都會接觸到的啊是不是 |
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如果在現在食物價格高漲的情況下如果我們在平常使用的銅板美食那是一般庶民小民最常使用的都有這樣的疑慮我們衛福部就沒有辦法保障民眾食的安全 |
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所以跟委員報告說我們馬上就採取了兩件事情第一件事情就是說所有市面上的這個大廠的產品都去加強湊驗看看有沒有這個雙氧水就是H2O2的殘留那目前有沒有 |
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到目前查了起來都沒有已經查了一千多件了一千多件全國都查了那第二個呢是生產的工廠也進去加強茶廠那麼去確認他所使用有沒有使用到雙氧水那如果有使用到的是食品級的還是用工業級的所以這個也有抽查了1990家業者 |
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所以这个是会不会你抽查的都是抽查到好的啊没有抽查到对啊没有就是全面性的查会不会都是抽查到好的不会我们都是全面性全国去去查了有在供应的这样 |
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還有我想要問一下就是川普總統他說10月1號開始所有品牌藥跟專利藥開徵百分之百的關稅只有在美國設廠或者是動工的藥廠藥品可以免稅所以對於我們目前有214個進口的藥專利藥可能會受到波及 |
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我想要请问我们任性特别条例有200亿要拨给健保基金来使用那这有没有办法确保民众用药安全还是因为你拨到健保基金是一个大水库你会不会把这200亿 |
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你健保裡面還有很多事情要做嘛要改變嘛對不對那會不會用到別處那反而我們為了這個關稅因應所撥的這200億會不會被你拿去做別的使用 |
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不会跟委员报告过去都还有这样的例子虽然川普总统有曾经宣布这样的事情可是到目前的法规我们都密切的在追踪还没有正式的文件正式的文件出来以他初步的说法主要是针对原厂药不是学民药所以学民药是排除在外那么他也排除了原料药 |
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所以原料要的部分也沒在這個加徵的範圍裡面所以評估起來大概影響的程度就大幅的降低了所以大幅的降低那一邊200億一邊200億有那麼多是不是只是在補這個還是在補其他你健保的東西 |
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專利期內的還是有可能受影響因為他的對象是針對那個原廠藥跟專利期內的那個藥所以還是有可能受影響但是我們因為他還沒有正式公佈正式的文件我們是密切的在注意那至於我們在特別條例裡面特別預算編的這個200億優先會使用在應用這個關稅萬一如果 |
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造成這個藥品成本的上升可以來提高藥價像4月到現在我們也增加了200多項藥品的價格我們已經合出去已經提高了所以我們這一筆錢會優先應應在健保裡面的藥價調整因為我們的藥價不知道會發生什麼所以預備在那裡但是如果沒有用掉的還是在健保基金裡頭不會拿來做其他的用途 |
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不是啦 我是說你健保基金裡面當然除了這個藥以外你還有其他的部分嘛 對不對不會啦 健保的基金都是使用在民眾的服務上面沒有其他的公務運算使用是不是就是特別多編然後來補你健保的缺口嘛 是不是健保的缺口也是用在這個民眾跟醫療服務單位的也不會是政府部門拿來自己用的 |
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好,謝謝 |