| IVOD_ID |
164051 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164051 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T12:12:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T12:22:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edcef2072f021dfb3d3eadaba873199798254e55ddf1b168a3139c7ac6a666915c55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:12:52 - 12:22:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長及行政院食品安全辦公室就「重大食安事件處理之檢討與食安稽核人力不足問題」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請石部長麻煩石部長好 部長 |
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国人看到近期发生这个黑心大肠的事件其实对于我们全民国食安都有非常大的一个影响那我想先请教一下因为本席有看到是说相关的一个资料第一这一家公司它在屏东已经从事珠藏加工作业多年对不对可是它是新北市这边有讲法说为如实进行食品业者登陆及为投保产品责任险 |
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換言之他就所謂的我們一般俗稱的是地下工廠那這種非典型的這個食安破口來講我們想請教到底全台灣目前還有多少家 |
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按照我們的食安法的規定他本身是這個百威啊是登記在台北的一家食品公司一個食品公司只是他的倉儲設在新北是倉儲在新北然後加工在屏東對加工廠在屏東屏東的這個加工廠沒有登入進他的這個 |
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他已經在屏東加工豬場多年了據這個相關政府的這個回報他已經多年可是自始至終沒有登錄食品業者那再來他也沒有投保沒有登錄食品廠那他們也沒有投保相關的責任險那這就不是只是單一個案嗎 |
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還是全台灣因為見為知著嘛就是說我們現在想要理解說到底這樣子的一個個案到全台灣還有多少因為本席有看到食藥署近期公告擴大實施食品安全的檢測計畫本席予以肯定因為這個是食安把關但是這個心智主要是針對有登記有規模的業者 |
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那如果說以百威食品這個案例來講他就自始自終沒登記啊所以你們再怎麼擴大食品安全檢測是檢測不到百威的所以才會從下游往上查下游就是說販賣端就是販賣給消費者端他要去確認他的食材的來源是合法那我們可不可以講一個大白話大實話到底全台灣現在還有多少百威 |
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我們當然不敢講不過整個從我們現在食安五環的概念它是必須比如說你是販賣這個麵線的那你用了這個大廠你的來源你要確認它是來自於合法應該說我們期待的是所有的食品最終端的食品業者 |
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他要進口的他要購買的原料也都是合格的確認來自於合格的那我再請教這個百威食品現在我們查獲所用的豬腸來自於哪裡 |
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那個是農場就是那個是國內的還是國內的土宅廠那照理講國內的土宅廠他賣給誰這就兩端嘛一個是國內的土宅廠他是合法合格的土宅廠那他賣給一個百威但是百威他是 |
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不合格沒登記應該這麼講因為他還是登記他是食品廠所以他賣給他的時候認為他是賣給一個食品業者因為他有登記食品公司只是這一個操作的點是沒有登入進來的合法的場所所以署長我們在這個案例裡面就像剛剛你也講到是說可以從下游管理但是 |
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某種程度上上游來溯源也是可以的兩端應該都要一起因為我們不要說整個一個供應鏈來講中間有一個破口但是很明顯這個案例裡面就是中間出現了破口他用非法的工業用的雙氧水來去做加工造成說上游以為他賣給是一個合法的食品廠下游以為他可能買到的也是一個合法的但中間他做的是一個黑心的事情 |
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那如果說從這部分來講的話我們未來可以怎麼樣因應因為你現在擴大稽查中間的工廠可是你查不到這些地下工廠啊所以當然是規定都已經有了所以一旦查獲的話一定是嚴懲不要讓他們有這個矯悉的心態可是我們希望的是不要有這樣的狀況發生因為大家都已經吃下肚了嘛 |
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然後另一方面就透過這個E化讓它整個這個食品鏈能夠串起來包含電子發票電子登錄讓它串起來部長 那我們這樣子這些作為什麼時候可以更加強改善我們現在已經讓這個電子發票跟 |
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電子登錄的百分比大概是在食品廠的九成到九成五各縣市當然不一樣那我們希望把這最後一里路趕快把它完成那最後一里路還沒有辦法完成主要原因是什麼沒錢沒人沒有就是這些業者本身的意願或者是他的規模等等會有這些所以部長您提到其實很 |
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中肯的一個狀況就說我們至少百分之九十幾就是能夠全面的來做這樣子的一個路線你影響的大多數消費者也是有比較保障但是在這個案例你有沒有再請教我有看到我們食藥署業已經重罰五千四百萬罰還可是查了一下百威這個食品業食品公司他登記資本額只有 |
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500萬對那5000是收得到嗎我們向法院申請假扣押已經申請了那這一個負責人他有一個三天的時間然後之後我們就申請所以第一我們已經申請假扣押所以他名下的這些財產相關方面也不會讓他脫產 |
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我們第一步呢先依請這個行政執行署來做強制執行然後第二個再跟法院做假扣押那這一個負責人因為我看到地檢署還有在偵辦有可能有所謂的刑事責任所以會持續偵辦當中 |
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對 那我們行政法我們就先走了那那個形式的部分由這個檢調繼續在偵查中好 那最後啦 一個部分因為今年4月中央政府有對於未登記的食品工廠福島轉型合格納管工廠的專案我們全台灣到目前為止這今年4月的資料還有134家未登記的食品工廠是不是這可能跟這個食安辦比較有相關 |
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跟委員報告 具體的數目是要問經濟部產業發展署有一些是特登的工廠我們在幾年前有一個工廠管理法的修法之後 |
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有做一些特登工廠去輔導那至於您剛問說還有多少沒有納管那個具體的數字我沒有不過可能還有所以 |
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來 部長也好 或是我們食安辦主任有沒有注意到一個重點今天我們面臨到一個是食安看到的是食品工廠本行拿這個資料是今年4月你們所提供的新聞稿相關資料所以有134家有掌握但還沒有登記的食品工廠那需要配合工廠輔導管理法來去協助他做合法可是這個時間期限在什麼時候我們在2030 |
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2040對不對一個是2030你要去完成登記特種工廠一個是要整個用地完全合法是2040當然這是法令規定可是凸顯什麼問題凸顯工廠要問經濟部食安要問衛福部然後我們還有一個行政院食品安全辦公室 |
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可是三方面就是一問到工廠問經濟部經濟部今天剛好沒來那食安衛福部要管理然後還有我們行政院食安辦公室結果又說這應該是兩個部會各自要去協調這個從法規上面確實這樣不過因為在食安管理上面跟用地所在地是無關的只要他是做食品業者有這個行為都要去 |
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衛福部的這個去登錄然後要去接受這個GHP的這個定期的集合 |
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就是說他跟用地的那個長址的身份是無關只要他有這個行為我們就是一律在為不讓 還有其他的質詢我想部長我還是拉回來就是說今天國人都很關心食品安全那我們也希望食品安全真的是良好把關但是食安如果說有跨兩個部會然後還有這個一個辦公室在中間我們期待的是辦公室要嘛就整合兩個部會要嘛就一個部會來做主責來去處理而不是 |
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食安歸我但是工廠歸他工廠歸他食安歸你就到最後就是互推皮球了部長能不能針對這部分來跟經濟部來做進一步的溝通看怎麼樣能夠讓這樣子運作上來講更加順暢我們會來努力把這兩邊都無縫接軌起來謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝 |