| IVOD_ID |
164030 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164030 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T11:31:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T11:44:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edc3b8bdebc55752774524a4fcb09fe3320a407684b3aac8590dcfa479eaf0f6b1a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:18 - 11:44:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議(事由:邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆率所屬機關首長暨中央存款保險股份有限公司、監管相關機構有關之財團法人、臺灣證券交易所股份有限公司、臺灣期貨交易所股份有限公司、臺灣集中保管結算所股份有限公司等董事長、總經理列席業務報告,並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】) |
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王委員可以匆匆攏攏沒有關係好 謝謝主席我就照你說的匆匆攏攏對你來講 有刃有餘我先喘口氣 |
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金管會不要這個匆匆忙忙就好好 謝謝主席我請金管會彭主委好 我們請彭主委你好彭主委是 |
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我們行政院卓院長施政報告開宗明義第一章就是寫要把我們台灣打造成為亞洲資產管理中心這非常的好但是我們有一個大的問題我記得在您一上任那時候我就去年六月我就跟你提 |
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就是說我們國內保險業可運用資金的餘額高達35兆之多其中70%有25兆竟然是放在海外購買國外的債券或者基金诶 諸位如果說我們呼籲外國把資產 |
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交給我們台灣管理結果我們台灣自己70% |
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的資金是用在國外買債券基金那我們對人家怎麼說服我們自己70%給別人管然後要別人說你的資產給我們台灣管這不是很怪嗎那我們要說服哪些國家說服非洲嗎 肯亞嗎這是很奇怪的事其次 |
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這購買海外的債券跟基金當時我們就說到有兩大風險一個戰爭一個匯率嘛結果這兩大就在我們講的去年之後沒幾個月都發生了戰爭俄國大家知道我們國內有三大受險公司五大受險公司 |
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買了俄國1380億的債券後來陸續到期到期的部分俄國的答覆很簡單等我戰爭打完了再來算這筆錢戰爭的因素跑出來了匯率在今年的5月我們對美金的匯率那個台幣大幅度的 |
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升值的結果光單月將近兩千億兩千億的損失耶天啊所以 |
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戰爭跟匯率我們都碰到了所以當時當時我就說我們海外資金上限70%可以到我們的授權資金有70%的上限可以到海外去這個部分我們應該調降我們應該適度的趕快導引這些保險資金讓它回到我們台灣那結果當時 |
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貴會的答覆是說有啦找了這些保險公司談這些保險公司說兩個原因第一個原因說我們台灣利率太低第二個台灣市場太小他們意思是說他們也是情不得已出去但是主委你不曉得記不記得當時我就說這兩個原因都不成理由啦第一個你說我們台灣利率低我承認我們台灣利率是低但是 |
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你這些受險公司也是以我們台灣這麼低的利率下去當期望值做成產品賣給我們國內的保險的大眾所以利率低你不能講 |
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你期望值也低 你的產品也低嗎不是嗎 第二個他們說我們台灣的市場太小所以當時 主委我就拜託貴會後來我也拜託財政部就是說我請貴會跟財政部都要趕快輔導我們國內這些需要建設的部會比方說內政部 比方說交通部比方說衛福部衛福部他們有長照啊 |
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交通部有各項的交通建設 鐵路 公路 高速公路各地方的捷運這都是需要資金的啊我們引導他們進來 我們設交通債券 交通公債內政 我們有社會住宅等等嘛那不管設宅 |
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長照或者未來開通的捷運自償性都很高也付得起這些利息所以我說要趕快做所以我今天要問你的問題就是說到底這一年來我們輔導了有哪一些部會有沒有去準備好去成立哪一些建設公債建設基金有還是沒有第二點這個讓保險資金去海外 |
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的這個比例是不是要從70%下降下調因為在國外看起來這不可思議耶中國啊我們對岸中國跟我們競爭的中國只有2%我們70%韓國8.3%美國12%只有日本高一點日本高一點也不到我們1 3日本21.6天啊 |
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只有我們台灣70%這麼高所以這兩個問題我想請教主委有做了嗎謝謝委員給我這個機會來回答這個問題其實我們也很希望我們壽險業長期要降低海外的投資的比重因為我們現在壽險面臨到一個叫做避別的不匹配 |
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因為他的負債跟他資產不一致所以會面臨到匯率跟利率的風險這是一個但是因為他已經長期投在海外不可能短期就把它匯回來台灣有剛剛委員提到很重要台灣沒有這麼多的工具像比如說他們投的最重要的投固定收益現在大概已經將近20兆的這樣一個金額在台灣其實我們整年所有的公債跟債券市場沒辦法很快吸納所以我們想法就至少你新錢 |
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每年他會收到的薪錢大概是兩兆左右的錢我們盡量找工具剛剛委員提到我們做了什麼比如說我們也希望說能夠有一個比如說第一個我們鬆綁法規讓我們的受請公司的這個資金本來交給國外投資能夠交給自己的投信來投資這是一個再來就是我們的兆元投資計畫裡面我們也提出很多很多方案我們甚至請交易所櫃買成立一個資本服務團去協助這些公司力單位去證券化債券化 |
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然後還有像很多地方這種發綠債那我們希望說盡量把這個政府剛剛委員提到比如說假設我們也曾經嘗試過把高速公路的收費能不能把它做個證券化也都在跟各個部會在做協商因為這個部分還要花點時間主委我很感謝貴會你們有做這些努力那成果呢 到現在成果怎麼樣 |
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其實我們現在陸陸續續有一些啦但是還沒辦法吸納我們的這麼大的受險資金因為很多部會他的心態他就是變於形式嘛反正要建設的錢很簡單預算編了就有啊 |
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大家便於形式嘛就從大筆一揮從預算下去編但是我們不應該只是單向的從預算不是這樣嗎我們應該適度的因為需要有時間嘛慢慢的就像你剛剛講不能一下子回來他也不可能一下子回來但是我們每年導引3% 5% |
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這對我們黨預祝這些資金回來建設我們自己台灣這才是正確的嘛不是嗎所以沒有具體的結果就對了現在等於說因為受選人資金整體是非常龐大國內要找尋這些涉及到公建的案例確實是沒有那麼容易啦過去蔡英文總統的時候我看她過去那八年他們也是到後來才警覺這個事情嚴重他們 |
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有去說服交通部有成立了七檔交通建設的 |
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資金啦 債券雖然那個金額不算大都大概數十億之多但是聊勝於無這是一個開始嘛他們有七檔八年做了七檔所以我希望在你這麼專業認真之下你帶領的團隊能夠趕快跟我們這些相關部會去做這也是我們努力的方向那其次就是關於這個詐騙的部分這個 |
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我們這些逃逸的外勞還有逃逸失聯甚至工作渠道的外勞那他們就把這個戶頭就賣給這些詐騙集團那本來這本來數字不大從2022年的521案 |
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逐年增加9211862一直到今年6月統計已經超過2000戶2054戶啦那當然我們也祭出重罰說這個可以把他罰100萬以下這個最高會判3年以下可是可是主委光是重罰甚至關他都沒用他人都出境啦人都出境那難道我們要怎樣 |
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要去引渡他來我們台灣嗎這都是不可能的事情所以我認為這些事情知識體大我也詢問了我們相關金管會的同仁們他們是說有找勞動部下去談但是我覺得這個部分可能談得還不夠徹底我覺得當然勞動部他似乎不積極 |
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不積極所以我希望跟勞動部談你們跟他們談清楚就是說在這件事情上面開戶所謂的外勞他們的自己財產管理的這一部分的權利人權啊這個應該擺在一邊為什麼因為不管他是期限已經到了要回國或者他都已經失聯了簡單的方式就把這個戶頭切斷就好嘛 |
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706.709 |
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切斷就好人家失聯逃逸的他失聯逃逸他還不敢用這個戶頭啊那請他的雇主也一定現金給他嘛不是嗎所以這樣子的外勞他剛好順便把這個戶頭賣掉就算了所以這樣子的情況下不要在那邊一直考量說外勞也有他的人權他有他的權利去管理他的資金 |
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707.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
734.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
這個一切都在他失聯之後甚至期滿回國以後就要簡單明瞭把它斷線這個也可以載入到勞動部載入到跟外勞引進的合約裡面就可以寫這麼清楚好不好我希望你們跟勞動部因為我知道現在在阻撓的都勞動部啊不積極的都勞動部你跟勞動部講清楚 |
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737.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
760.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
說這個事情知識體大不要再用那些有的沒有的藉口就是不要把簡單的事情複雜化好不好好 謝謝我們會朝著努力我們也看到我們是從去年我們就開始有對接移民署這些的外籍的那個警示帳戶的比例從高峰已經開始往下走那我們會來持續跟其他部會一起來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
761.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
781.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我剛看到的數字我念的數字都是往上爬當然有往下的數字當然是好啦八月已經下降下來的因為我們管控措施也慢慢看到一些成效我們會努力謝謝謝謝王委員 謝謝主委接下來我們請葛如君委員 |