| IVOD_ID |
164026 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164026 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T11:12:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T11:21:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edc5bda8db473fe141b85f90000f7f2f0aba407684b3aac859039c7ac6a666915c55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:12:09 - 11:21:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長、經濟部部長、原住民族委員會首長、國家通訊傳播委員會首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、行政院主計總處首長、內政部首長、教育部首長、交通部首長、環境部首長、文化部首長、勞動部首長及衛生福利部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請龔部長 陳部長還有內政部的董次長我們請兩位部長 一位次長備詢 謝謝好 部長 次長 |
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花蓮的馬太安溪映射湖我們討論這麼久了現在最重要就是在災害來臨之前我們要為以籌謀做好萬全的準備災害發生的時候我們要及時的來救助支援對不對 |
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所以現在我們看到這個驗射壺的情形有很多種的做法但是我們想請教的是現在討論這麼久了你們有沒有擔心說萬一如果形成了二次驗射壺的風險會有多高 |
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我先跟委員報告就是驗車湖現在如果照現在的雨量跟現在的情態它的流水往下流水是穩定的溢流的部分但是但是它的邊坡能持續的在零星的崩塌然後其實現在目前比較擔心的是所以你們就要在水源頭來解決啊 |
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對 沒有因為它的霸體太大然後現在也不穩定嘛那我們也持續的先做監控的部分那其實現在擔心的是地震的時候是不是有可能這些情況都要考慮進去啦那現在最重要就是說你要找到個適合設置緊急這個易洪道的這個排水吧 |
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對 所以我們剛才講的從上游的更精準的監測到中下游的這些下游的部分的這些提防的加高跟進入的輸進那個水道的輸進的部分是當作第一優先那這個部分在經濟部水利署的部分所以你們要趕快規劃去做 |
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趕快做要先做好未來萬一又有什麼颱風來的時候的準備都要做好來好不好那我要問一下內政部那因為現在我們發生了這個災情那我們整個光復鄉的大同村還有那個太平村的一些低窪地區的災民受寵最大那我們也興建了這個住宅要來安置這些災民的需求但是在長久來講的話我們會不會有遷村的這個考量 |
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跟委員報告本部目前根據國土署的同仁在現場的所做的調查那麼有相當的民眾他們希望有中繼宅大概有40戶左右那這個部分我們會盡力協助至於是否要遷村我們必須要尊重在地住民的意願 |
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那根据在地住民的意愿我们去做一些调查那他们也要跟县府一起共同来讨论所以刚刚强调就是这个地方比较低洼那你的验射壶的话未来不可能说有没有可能说整个等到水干掉之后的话你把它用爆破的方式把这个泥土泥沙都载走之后不会有个验射壶还是未来就有这个验射壶如果有这个验射壶存在的话我们担心它整个霸体够坚固吗我们担心又有 |
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這個豪大雨來的時候這水的沖流崩塌下游的居民怎麼辦這個統統考慮進去好不好好 謝謝那因為說現在現社會在全台灣被觀測的除了現在花蓮地方還有新竹的這個太岡溪對不對 |
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對 太岡溪現在部分大概它的映射湖的水蓄量的話大概4.8萬噸大概相當於20座的游泳池至少在你們監測就是還有危險的風險嘛 對不對有危險風險你們有沒有考慮可能就是罷頂降蛙或者是抽水 |
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不過因為以現在的這些蓄水量的部分的時候因為它已經持續在溢流所以它全部如果說全部水流出來的話我們預估大概是會讓河道的水增加20到40公分所以它不會影響到整個附近的一個居民所以我們會持續的去關心因為一般的 |
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映射壺通常都會在大好雨的時候會把一些它的原來崩落的這些碎石去沖開用這種方式是最單純的方式所以我們會持續的監控你要記得一件事情因為台灣還是有地震地震的時候整個我們說宜山都有可能是山崩 |
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落實 都會造成這個驗射壺如果說整個地震來的時候這驗射壺的整個壩體是否穩固都是我們堪慮的問題所以現在有觀測的你們要加強監測不要再發生我跟委員報告現在台灣有可能造成驗射壺的這些區位的盤點大概8000多個區位 |
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那这个区位的盘点以后我们分为几个一个是可能会有持续的落实的区位跟有一些是比较稳定的部分所以我们也会公告这个不要因为说它的蓄水量没那么多可是像台湾很多都知道豪大雨来的时候无法疏洪到出来的话会影响后面的灾情了解我们会持续的去监控这个要注意的我们 |
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部長請回 我們請留下經濟部長跟台電的王總經理請王總經理部長 王總丹納斯颱風有2454座的電線桿 |
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像是骨牌陣一樣倒塌所以本席今天就要跟你講一個電塔電塔電塔倒塌是不是就沒有電電塔是不是造成其他的什麼災害壓到 |
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住宅壓到車輛壓到民宅壓到人對不對所以本席跟你提一下桃園市龍潭區我的龍柯山崎這高壓電塔討論這麼久了今天所有的民眾掛起白布條你們處不處理從第一條電桿 |
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從榮坑你們要走電子湖到楊桐路要走到這個榮興這個路線裡面有四根電桿要遞上高架的方式這些地方非常危險我告訴你第一根電塔第一根電塔就是消理系的水源頭影響人民民眾的用水第二根電塔在哪裡 |
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第二根電塔是最彎最彎的髮夾彎的地方民眾也很多住在那裡第三根電塔在哪裡底下都是民眾今天掛出來白布條寫著你寫著民眾住在山腳下電塔台電住在山頭他們的安全誰來保障台灣的地震土石山崩落石萬一壓到民宅呢 |
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所以 我們民眾 我們的里長一直跟你懇求這條路線 十幾年了一直跟你們拜託 要來處理溝通在溝通 最後我請你們處理的時候你們說 里長我已經溝通完畢了 沒問題發包 動工 要來施工了 |
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10月18號你們開的說明會是動工說明會你並沒有在會前之前要走這條路線之前開工廳會跟民眾來講通通沒有民眾生命財產的安全你放在哪裡所以你看看這圖圖看看他們掛的白布條里長我給你建議三條路線那本席在這邊具體告訴你 |
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有解決的方案可以地下化就是我們從榮科從這邊拉出電來走電子湖走陽桶再從這邊走六杠寮到友達地下化總經理這個問題一定要解決不要告訴我你發包你就要動工停止開工解決這個問題把人民的生命財產放在眼裡好好討論好不好 |
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包委員 包委員現在做的這一條線路是桃竹苗的大細股計畫的其中一環我知道大細股計畫我知道這條拉電拉給龍科從竹科拉到龍科 龍科拉過來最後在龍險變電所 對不對有替代道路我現在告訴你一條路6米寬 又直又寬 你不走 |
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你要走個有山坡的 有高壓電塔要過好山坡上面那整個大髮夾彎欸路線要走得更長為什麼不能走個安全能對人民 民眾有保障的路線呢跟委員報告 這一題齁我想我們會再持續跟 持續已經十幾年了現在發報了所以總經理 在這邊答應我沒有討論清楚 沒有協調清楚不准動工好不好 |
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這個我們會再持續溝通不准動工你要在這邊保證好不好因為所有的事情在做的過程一定是要和諧嘛我們一定會再持續那也會再請委員還有在當地的委員再為溝通清楚路線不明民眾抗議的情況之下不准動工謝謝謝謝呂毅林委員的資訊謝謝 |