| IVOD_ID |
164021 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164021 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T10:52:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T11:04:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edc14ed23dab951d104eadaba8731997982a407684b3aac85908ba1d62c5c75d3855ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:52:44 - 11:04:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長及行政院食品安全辦公室就「重大食安事件處理之檢討與食安稽核人力不足問題」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝 謝謝主席我們讓部長休息啦我們食藥署江署長來 有請江署長還有我們食安辦的徐主任還有我們那個健保署的陳署長陳署長你三個可以到不然你會被我們拜國總執行我帶你去喝 給你忙好好 來 |
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為了這個大廠這個事情 我昨天前天我在屏東我爸爸去屏東拍賣場 屠宰場還有在台地的 還有在地霸的 我都去問我跟你講 我們行政院你剛剛講跟邱成金的對話 我也聽了 |
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我覺得這個問題好像不是食藥署的事這個問題是受益受益的事受益就是受益師全聯會跟中央續產會有派到各個所有的獨宅廠有受益的這一次的這個大廠應該不是進口的本土的是我們台灣的你看這個就是大廠 |
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看一看 這是這個現在你的痘痘因為痘痘可能有破損我說這很實際的喔 很到位的喔我這到現場好不好你的痘痘有破損看起來外表還好但是裡面有生病就好像人一樣那你的痘痘如果瘀起來還是怎麼樣瘦醫師是不能放行的 |
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他就要跟我說這個不行他就要上去化製廠就等於像死的豬要去化製煮的蔥 變成豉料或是變成肥料他這個不放心像屏東那裡有三個屠宰縣就是要三個獸醫師今天農委會的人沒有來農業部的人沒有來要來的話我就給他頂了 |
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你這個秀衣去那裡有監索崗位嗎有確實去看嗎或是說 有人好像有名沒有人去那裡那這樣就很糟糕了喔所以他要不要放刑他應不應該放刑我們是這個階段那這個是出問題是出在這個處理這喔 處理這這就出問題了 |
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現在他回去已經歐了還是說賣了他就賣了嘛回去一天很累耶 流很多很多很多現在你再來就是食藥署劣跡合圓劣跡合圓在哪個地方是在哪個你的角色是從哪裡開始署長你怎麼知道我看你也知道了你回答好你回答我來代替你報告 |
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我们跨部会的分工假如这个屠宰线在这个房间里现在相片这个相片里面的屠宰线都是在农方就是受医师要确保之后这一个房间里面都完成但是假如出了这个房间特别是去分切去处理之后假如是由另一个业者食品的业者的时候那个时候就会轮到食药署 |
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我跟你報告喔 屏東縣現在像嘉義鄉啦 像泰安 石屏啦他們是 他現在在那裡在拍賣場 我也有去拍賣場耶 我也在那裡吃雞耶因為我那邊有有有這隻 我也要給他五塊三塊的給他吃喔你看那裡很漂亮 你就給他一百塊五 一百塊三這樣賣他這個 自己有屠宰場耶 他現在買賣之後 地下又一樣載到他的屠宰場 好像 |
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有的一天在殺七八百頭像太安 像嘉義鄉的話他一天也是兩三百頭在殺四射的那其他都在屏東的屠宰場我現在要問你的就是說你這個事情要去怪時部長怪江署長不對的因為是前面那個環節出事啊他現在是在亡羊補牢在吃苦的 |
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你現在這個衆議有盡量他的責任我們要解釋 釐清責任就這樣嘛你現在衆議是屬於公部門的人還是中央市長會的名聘的還是社會意識派來派ON CALL的 白班的到底是 這段是出事的這要追究啊 追究這裡的人不是追究江署長江署長沒過位啊 |
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就我所知道這個都是由中央續產會統一去約聘然後獸醫師在裡面去管理但是也是由房檢署農業部房檢署他有一個獸醫師的管理系統這個要在這個上面去回報的那委員剛剛所說的就是說獸醫師是不是有盡責在做對我們來講的時候就是相信第一線的獸醫師 |
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很類似我們在看醫生他的判斷那通常我所知道啦很嚴重的不會讓他進來但是常常有一些因為豬還活著然後有的時候不一定看得出來說他是因為生病才變黑或怎麼樣或者是說他是已經在屠宰的時候腸胃道破掉我跟你講 |
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包括那些私人屠宰場他們抬了下眼淚賬也是交給這個公司最高的百貨 百貨商去處理他們自己也沒什麼要處理的那些賬都高高處理所以這個公司像這個百貨它的公司設在台北六十六台北我經常說物量在屏東然後社會成本在屏東我看到就很… |
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很難 很困難下去啊這家的母母的 家裡有很多的給你頂起來 我要向石副長說頂起來這家的樹林 都要委託他處理啊你 石耀署 |
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你的角色是從哪裡開始你的角色從哪裡開始講什麼你是在菜市場開始 菜市場接手還是在那個我們其實是屠宰場那個房間出去之後分切開始就歸食藥署裡面的來做管理那他 |
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我就問說他那個用漂白水是在屠宰場裡面漂白還是拿到工廠去漂白他拿到後面的貨櫃屋裡面那非常高度監視底下的貨櫃屋我們來拍個考察好不好 |
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就真的很到位的去看在後面的貨櫃小房間就開幹了 是不是這樣這很嚴肅的問題喔否則是拉到他的工廠那拉到他的工廠去處理的時候有沒有冷鏈啊 有沒有冷藏啊這個都目前看到是都沒有都沒有嘛 |
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所以都有可能都會腐敗啊你說在屠宰場裡面就在霧啊或是說在後面的小貨櫃屋或是在那個工廠那個工廠是中間在嘗試啊 |
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所以好幾家所以這個我希望秦政院你這個成績的你要來釐清好 恆的協調要好畢竟我們這個是天天在吃啊我常常在吃那個什麼米酸雞 米酸那個就好了現在越想越恐怖耶我從小就在吃耶 吃得很厲害又不死 又不錯 |
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所以這個是很嚴肅的東西建國外可能也一樣啦你也是一樣在吃啦所以這個要釐清楚到現在不不希望再有這種事情發生這太差勁了吧 是好不好 你的親身成績你就給他釐清你一直在罵罵罵時務部長一直在罵江署長我就覺得 問題出前面了這樣了解嗎 了解好 來 陳亮宇 來 |
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你現在這兩天以後我們要不要貿貿 再六十張不買一張一張就算了跟委員報告 目前報宅到今年到年底通報到食藥署 缺藥平台總共47樣那這47項 我們事實上也有做一些分析包含說有25項 事實上有3 |
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24項有三種同類的藥品可以替代另外21種有同類但是不完全進行可以替代剩下的一種就是我們剛剛石部長所說到的Cyclosporine的IV那這個供應事實上是到115年底那取代的廠商食藥署也已經找到了所以關於這一點的衛福部有做剛剛的報告再複述一次這個Cyclosporine的老藥我們台灣沒有辦法自己做 |
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是 來我們有特別跟國內的廠商去做協調去爭取那我們也覺得這些專利期以過的藥物在台灣落地在地化其實是在藥物供應任性最重要也是食藥署我再持續努力來推動你們對於國內的 |
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學名藥藥廠或者是菸皮藥廠那種藥要用這麼貴的藥你給人家做一定兩個台幣等於你而已嘛你給人家合價合收價嘛不符成本嘛因為那個藥用的量不多嘛你回去以後你如果不在做什麼署部長在做署長他可能也不在處理這個啊反正就盡量有對配就好啊這樣現在不行啊現在你要盤點啊 |
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跟委員報告 我們使部長在這個署長任內他那個藥品及支付標準是有公告修法那大家以前都認為說健保署每年的核價都是調降我看報章媒體也是這樣講但是在這個公告修法在4月份之後就可以調升 |
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626.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
653.925 |
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那從4月份到現在呢我們健保署統計有200多項藥品是調生的所以跟委員報告這個部分我們會來密切注意要調生就要這樣準備我大堆資料要靠北靠北你們都在想不然你們如果在插人啊那不是這樣會來注意 會來注意沒有啦 現在這個順便美國川普在那裡亂佈一張旗袖什麼要進進出出 大家要大家要寫旗記就寫 我看部長也說不清楚 |
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654.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
671.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
到底有的就去 如果沒有來日本買歐盟買也可以那一定要讓美國簽字所以這個都是要全盤考量我想我們部長跟署長都有高度跟學術能力我對你們應該是有信心 |
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673.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
693.888 |
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所以這要好好檢討 每天吊那麼高也知道做電梯的要來 你要陳情也要倒一點 我主持 我主持我也是說讓人家可以付成本 讓人家可以做下去不然電梯又來一次 你受得了嗎好 謝謝好 謝謝 |