| IVOD_ID |
164018 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164018 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T10:35:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T10:46:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edca9f02d8504987df8524a4fcb09fe33208b7b742ce6787900cdaf6cb2d6319c8e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:27 - 10:46:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆率所屬機關首長暨中央存款保險股份有限公司、監管相關機構有關之財團法人、臺灣證券交易所股份有限公司、臺灣期貨交易所股份有限公司、臺灣集中保管結算所股份有限公司等董事長、總經理列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】） |
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有請彭主委 |
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主委好美國川普總統他在上週他認為說中國宣布的稀土管制措施成為談判的重要障礙所以要加徵百分之百的關稅大家也預期說今天的台股有可能會大跌但是到目前為止好像跌幅有收斂起來了請教一下主委這個是台股的基本面好 |
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還是說國安基金有介入還是說台灣的民眾、股民對於川普的談話已經有免疫了鮑威我還是一樣 我不對做預測但是我覺得這個事情剛剛早上也有其他委員也有詢問過就是說 |
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今天這個事件主要是來自於美國一個總統的政策的消息面的影響我想台灣從4月2號開始已經經歷過非常非常多類似的經驗而且大家也比較知道就是說股市最終還是回歸到基本面我想這部分其實這也可以說明台灣的資本市場是 |
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已經是相對是理性的那我們的投資人能夠消化各種的訊息做出判斷所以主委認為說這個我們的基本面是好的那我們的這個投資者這個是非常理性的就對了就是說至少這個資本市場是一個眾人意志的集合我想 |
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就像我們也是剛剛才看到這個結果我想任何的預測都有它一些限制但是我們看到結果確實台灣的投資人表現出一個相對於理性其實我們看其他我們周邊也周邊國家的股市也大概也沒有像美國反映的那麼大那所以說今天這個結果股市這個結果對於主委來講比你預期的還要好 |
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我沒有預期好與壞資本市場本來就會吸納各式各樣但是你對於我們的基本面跟我們投資者有信心就對了我覺得它就是一個大家能夠消化各種訊息做出這樣的判斷 |
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那再請教一下主委因為就是股市一直漲上個禮拜是收在27000點其實算是創新高了那但是呢同時我們的這個傳統產業其實放無心價的也是越來越多了那就是說現在的股市榮景是集中在這個AI高科技產業像台積電和他的這個相關的產業那只集中在高科技的產業但是呢我們的傳統產業呢老實來講 |
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在這一波關稅的影響之下放無薪價的越來越多那有人提出來說台灣經濟有非理性繁榮的前兆我想請問一下主委的看法 |
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我想這個是大概我們很久以前有個很有名的經濟學家提出來的我想剛剛早上也有委員問說有沒有荷蘭病什麼之類的問題我想各位現在資訊非常的複雜非常的多元各種的說法都有就像我剛才提到有人會從一個過去歷史的經驗來看任何一個高點大家都會提到就是居安思惟一定是大家不過台灣的股市是集中在高科技IC產業 |
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那造成這個股市創新高這個是目前上趨勢看起來是這樣子那相對來講傳統產業的確表現沒有像高科技產業這麼的表現這麼好嘛 對不對我想說主要是我們現在其實我也初步去看一下 |
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這樣的現象不是只有台灣的資本市場股市是這樣因為現在越來越多的投資人是機構投資人有很多是比如說我們是ETF的市場它本質上它在選股上面就比較不會是一個所謂的就是按照這個消息面作為我想我的問題在於說就是說我們的高科技產業跟傳統產業有個落差是 當然那因為高科技產業它大概它的這一個就業人口大概是10%左右但是90%都是屬於中小微傳統產業 |
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那就變成是說這樣子貧富差距會不會越大那如果未來說高科技產業有受到什麼影響的時候那是不是會造成這個有學者他所示警的就是說非理性繁榮的這個現象最理想的狀況當然是我們各行各業都很強大我想這是個理想的社會但是退而求其次我們至少還有一個強大或至少還有好 |
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就好幾個強大也是一次個選項我們所要努力的就是說我們希望其他的產業能夠取而代之比如說能夠不是取而代之能夠變成所謂的護國群山就像我們在做那個比如說亞洲資產關係中心這個計畫的時候我們就希望說未來金融業能夠成為另外一個非常重要的產業來平衡這件事情我想這是我們 |
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來做一個努力我們當然希望每個產業都能橫貧能夠因應各種的變化那再請教一下主委這個虛擬資產服務法那現在已經受到行政院了那有沒有列為我們的優先法案現在因為它還沒有出行政院的審查那據我所知應該是行政院審查完畢才會進入到我們的法案的排列那有沒有列為行政院的優先法案我們現在在全力推動中那有機會在本會期送來立法院嗎 |
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其實我也期待能夠盡快的審議因為事後他還要經過那個執法的訂定那目前的這個審議的這一個行政院有在審議當中了嗎那有沒有一些比較困難點的地方其實據我所知同仁講說因為接下來我們的審查的政委現在換成另外新的政委我們也跟他做過簡報我想各個部會都提出他的一些的那個意見我們在整合中應該很快會 |
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會再進行市政審查因為國發會主委換了會影響到進度嗎我想不會因為我們很快的就跟他做做整個法制的簡報而且行政院也 |
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裡面也很多專家也不斷的已經在運作中我是希望說這個會期還是能夠送到立法院來我們也期待我們送出就希望能夠趕快完成立法請教一下主委你們9月份有公布了9家業者完成洗錢房子登記也獲得許可另外有18家不合格 |
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現在就是說不合格就不能再經營虛擬資產的服務否則面臨兩年以下的刑責但是也有人認為說我們現在只管國內的但是有七成消費者是使用國際平台七成的國際平台沒有被納管因為我們現在洗錢防治法我們其實是有規定就是說 |
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國外的幣商要透過國內落地或做分公司或是公司登記加上洗房登記跟能量登錄才能在國內落地否則就處以刑責那現在有關於這個國外的這個虛擬資產的這些管理公司我們有納管嗎有準備納管嗎要怎麼管 |
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當然其實就我們在管理的架構裡面其實我們並沒有區分境外跟境內因為他比如他在台灣落地他就要在台灣設立相關的機構我想這部分我們是這樣但是現在剛剛委員提到應該是已經在國外運作這些那國人就可以透過網路世界他自己所以他們不用落地不是 他這樣 |
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因為他沒有在台灣取得這樣一個許可他就沒辦法在台灣比如說做廣告他也沒辦法直接在台灣他有取得台灣的許可了嗎現在的話我們現在所謂的剛剛講幾個我們有國外來申請但是我們這是核准的部分我記得是不是有一家是有外資的我們這9家不是都是本土的嗎 |
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對對對 現在這個九家八家原來是洗房生民的嘛那現在一家是後來新的這個九家都是本土的對啊 沒有國外的嘛那我的意思就是說現在國外的是可以做虛擬資產的服務但是它沒有納管應該這樣 它在境內的話要如果說要經過我們許可才可以在境內做這樣一個服務那它有經過許可嗎我剛才講這個是在 |
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國界上像比如說我們如果說我們如果在國外旅遊在國外去買一個這個東西其實這樣我們就沒辦法或是我自己上網對 那我的意思是說那就是等於我們只納管國內的幣商然後國外的幣商我們沒辦法管理就對了這個要透過國際上面的一些合作再來他比如說在這邊的話我們的金融機構就沒辦法跟他做往來那會不會變成一個打仗的一個破口 |
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對 這也是全球我們想政府都遇到的那我們要怎麼處理呢那我剛跟委員報告這除了我們自己可以透過我們自己來努力另外還是要透過跨國的合作對 我是認為說有關於這一個國外幣上的管理這部分我們現在好像是沒有 |
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他可以未來假設這樣他也可以來台灣申請落地有啊 現在有很多國外的B商都有在台灣我看都有在做相關的服務啊其實如果委員仔細看的話那其實上他們來這邊是應該沒有同時實質的業務沒有實質的業務因為他只是可能在這邊台灣他是不能做的所以他們現在沒有任何的業務就對了不能做我們現在許可的這些業務 |
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不能做現在許可的業務就對了其實委員可以想像一下就是比如他在海外比如說他的網站是沒有國界的對比如假設我們國人有能力他自己可以在海外有一個戶頭或是自己可以那我們未來對於這些國外的這些幣商有要做什麼樣的一些管理嗎我們當然也是希望說從一個整個綜合管理的概念裡面我們當然希望就像我們現在管理金融機構一樣我們也希望說國人至少在我們的 |
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瑕疏範圍之內都能夠受到完整的保護對 當然是我們的期待對 我的意思是說因為我們現在只有規定國內的畢業商現在就是有9家是核可的對不對那其他18家不行對於國外畢業商我認為說這一塊好像 |
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國外的第三套主要在台灣像全世界都一樣你要到我們台灣來登記有沒有一樣的道理那所以他們現在是有來登記對 我想我們的法規是open的並沒有說外國人不可以來那現在有多少家國外的B3會來做登記那現在的部分我們現在還在申請中的現在目前沒有目前沒有喔 目前沒有那為什麼不來 |
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這要看他們當然不來登記就不能做相關的業務就對了他就是等於說必須要你必須要民眾自行去跨進去做這個服務透過網路我的意思是說這一塊有可能會形成打炸的一個風險 |
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對 我們就會從這個角度因為我們會從我們可以管理到的金融機構的這些通路來做那確實我剛才講說因為我也再三強調在網路世界是沒有國界的對啊對 好 沒關係這又變成一個一個循環了就是說我是關心打造這一塊啦好 那反正再找時間再來請教好 謝謝謝謝主席謝謝謝謝彭主委謝謝李昭偉 |