| IVOD_ID |
164002 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164002 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T09:52:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T10:02:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edc8a60df1255e7119a85f90000f7f2f0ab8b7b742ce67879007bd1442b9f89c7a65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:52:44 - 10:02:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長、經濟部部長、原住民族委員會首長、國家通訊傳播委員會首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、行政院主計總處首長、內政部首長、教育部首長、交通部首長、環境部首長、文化部首長、勞動部首長及衛生福利部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝 主席 請請經濟部工部長跟農業部陳部長我們請工部長 陳部長 謝謝委員好 專委部長好我們臺灣是小小多山的國家 現在變成小小多光電板的國家了山也光電板 海也光電板 餘溫也光電板 赤鴻池也光電板現在連水庫都是光電板 剛剛主席 |
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陳廷輝一直在問 烏山頭水庫的這個事情我要先問一個 光電開發處理原則郭部長 你是第一次到經濟委員會來備詢嗎第一次 沒有 以前在國發會的時候常常國發會辦來喔 用經濟部部長第一次了喔郭部長啊 郭志輝在你這個位置啊 被問了非常多次光電開發的這個弊案或者是爭議 |
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那時候我們確定了一個原則就是要居民同意才可以放行 郭志輝清楚地講案場開發一定要跟民眾溝通取得同意以後經濟部才會考慮放行我今天要問郭規 |
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貢匯水嗎 還是會有改變會倒退路嗎有確定這個原則嗎 一定要居民同意才會放行嗎程序上本來就要跟居民溝通然後地方政府同意以後我們才會審查所以說第一關就會碰到居民跟地方政府所以它變成先決條件所以具體的話 居民要溝通第二個沒有同意 不會放行嘛這個原則先定下來郭志威是這個原則 貢部長沒有倒退路也是這個原則 大家看一下 |
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大地莊園 你看這多可憐這個是本席跟陳庭輝陳委好幾個委員都問過了原先圈企的地方是住戶有500多戶旁邊那個化變成紅色的全部包圍了這個整個兩個這個莊園這怎麼過日子呢所以後來那時候決定把它暫停下來現在今天我要提一個新的案子請部長注意一下 |
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在北門 北門區 北門區有這麼多的住戶結果出現了三個嚴重的問題第一個 居民說說明會不通知相關的利害人這程序就有問題了嘛 對不對我定第二個 開發的面積還不斷增加壓縮了居民生活空間跟生活的品質第三個更嚴重喔因為利益非常龐大 |
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有黑道都進來了所以部長這個案子有符合剛剛講的那個原則對不對說明會沒有通知利害人這是不是應該也要符合剛剛的先暫停是不是我要了解一下因為個案的話如果符合剛剛就要停下來對不對就是居民溝通是第一個階段嘛然後地方政府同意嘛那我們再來審查他連第一階段都出問題啦說明會連當事人利害關係人都沒有去啊 |
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這個居民清清楚楚講程序有問題啊 符合綱第一個嘛所以應該暫停 你先去了解好不好如果符合這個北門區這個就要暫停下來 第二個我們來談光電板廢棄損害的這個問題 |
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7月7號但那是風災之後全台灣33個暗藏13萬5000片的光電板損害了有很多啊放在台塘土地上面那時候崔少哲來我這邊檢舉 你看污染了土地上面的是要環部蓋起來下面連蓋都沒有我今天沒有要問進度下面那個是舊的啦對 我今天要問你目前處理現在已經處理完了 |
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清走了嗎清走了嗎還是暫時在那裡 清走了確定喔 我等一下就要去看喔因為你當初 你本來要放多久 三個月是不是本來跟他 |
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應該21號之前好沒關係我等一下會去看一下進度你確定有清楚沒有的話我們就進一步再去推這個好不好好那因為你們很清楚的不管是經濟部跟環境部都說已經清理完畢了嘛我要一份資料就這13萬片你們後來整個管理的跟清除的情況好不好我為什麼這樣問來我給你看一個吹哨者這個畫面 |
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這個是一個很大的光電的暗藏7月22號拍下來的9月22號9月22號發生風災已經兩個月過了兩個半月了也就是你們所謂的清晚了這是吹哨者來提供的我現在要拿你給我的東西我要對照 |
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我現在很清楚的表達吹哨者拍下來到9月22號上面的這個很大的一個光電案上面的蠢害的沒有處理完下面的都堆成這樣你看左邊這個也是右邊也是我要把它堆你把那個東西給我來追清楚好接下來我們來談陳廷輝剛才提的水庫的烏山頭水庫的這個設置的這個問題我想要很明確的問農業部部長 |
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你剛講說你們有做了檢測對不對保定 沈部長你們每個月或者你說這個檢測裡面我要問一個最重要的有做塑化劑跟塑膠微粒的這個測驗嗎有做塑化劑的我請我們同仁回答一下好不好因為這個細節的部分報告委員我們塑化劑的檢測我們是持續有在做 |
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我先給你看為什麼這麼重要這個是7月份啊公共電視的很重要的一個報導他說塑化劑啊特別是那個塑化微粒 塑化微粒可能就沒有檢測了吧塑化微粒無所不在他跟失智症啊還有心血管疾病的這個病患業者體內曝露的濃度比較高所以這個塑膠微粒是有潛在的健康風險的 |
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所以請農業部不是只有做塑化劑好不好做一下塑膠微粒的這個檢測 |
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你在水園地 維力並沒有說話劑 維力的部分因為這個部分我回去再跟我們同仁檢討一下看怎麼樣的方式去處理 因為維力的部分不只是所有可能塑膠製品有可能最後會有一些維力的產生但是他沒有辦法有做相關的這些指標性的連結這個我回去我再跟同仁討論一下我們烏山頭11.5公頃的光電板 |
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它下面一定是一個浮距跟浮台上面才有光電板嘛對不對浸在水裡這個塑膠微粒的產生一定是必然的然後我給你看的是公式喔應該有公信力吧對不對請了專家學者他跟失智症跟心臟病這個血管暴露這整個濃度是有關係的所以要檢測清楚好不好現在就開始納入檢測 |
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不過我想還要跟委員說明清楚因為我們是針對浚露的灌溉的系統我們去做相關的這些水質會不會對作物所影響那相關您剛才講的這個等一下 |
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都沒有吃嗎沒有 我說我農業部負責的我農業部負責的部分是這個部分我們進水的話都會 原水就會檢測那趕快做塑化劑 特別是塑膠微粒的這個檢測從現在就要開始做喔因為它對疾病是有影響的第二個 要另外再做一個演練然後給大家看一下這個新聞這是日本三倉水庫定名的 |
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太陽能光電結果在2019年發生了火災因為有風災進來整個那個光電板一列為三整個那個架台整個都突起亂堆了冒出了這個火花那時候他們的消防車還沒辦法救 |
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所以你現在烏山頭那邊你要去做一個演練跟測試跟這次那個N45一樣不要說又管不到囉好不好這趕快做好不好時間到了所以我非常明確的我現在要幾個東西都非常明確都非常明確 |
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我剛剛講的資料請在三天內都送到我這邊來好不好特別是剛剛講的那個非常重要塑膠微粒的這個檢測要開始做然後整個那個消防演練都要做另外是剛剛陳廷輝講的也很重要我跟大家講像我們嘉義現在很多那個很多嘉義市的市民就擔心我們藍毯上面會不會出現光電板 |
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因為你烏山頭蓋了嘛 你現在二期嘛 藍潭大家也在擔心嘛所以對於任何任何水庫要蓋光電盤都要非常小心 好不好 民眾都已經在抗議了好不好 不要隨便清洗嘉義的藍潭蓋光電板 一樣的包括烏山頭還有二期跟三期喔 還有其他的這個水庫不要輕易的清洗這個水庫蓋光電板 而且剛剛講的簡直要趕快做 好 謝謝 |