| IVOD_ID |
164000 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164000 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T09:39:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T09:52:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edcb000e82260d5b86885f90000f7f2f0abef4ee7f50dc8c1790d1fb675c659de675ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:39:02 - 09:52:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長、經濟部部長、原住民族委員會首長、國家通訊傳播委員會首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、行政院主計總處首長、內政部首長、教育部首長、交通部首長、環境部首長、文化部首長、勞動部首長及衛生福利部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席我們先請經濟部農業部還有環境部來請經濟部農業部還有環境部 |
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我們部長還有次長好我想今天我手上有一份陳情書這是最近因為丹納斯颱風之後我們烏山頭水庫的光電板再一次被提醒而且再一次被變成是一個很重要討論的焦點 |
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那烏山頭水庫的光電板是111年就已經完成的可是為什麼在最近又被提出了就因為丹納斯颱風我們看到所有的光電板因為被風吹了然後很多都破爛不堪大家擔心 |
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如果在烏山頭水庫上面的光電板也變成這個樣子怎麼辦還好這一次丹納斯颱風烏山頭水庫的光電板沒有造成嚴重的狀況可是他們擔心下一次呢好還有第二個因為有 |
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有人故意要去提醒說光電板到底怎麼清洗我相信這在過去漁電工生的時候我們也討論過就是說到底清洗光電板是清潔劑還是清水 |
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但是我們當時候就已經有要求在訂合約的時候一定是不能用清潔劑所以在我們的合約裡面也有訂了不能用清潔劑所以為什麼有這樣的一個聲音跟風向造成這一個禮拜你知道我到地方跑行程所有的人都拉著我說拜託我們都支持民進黨的 |
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我們的水庫上面怎麼可以放光電板這會造成我們的灌溉水源我們的飲水源會有問題這很可怕你知道嗎在這一個禮拜那個風向 |
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我們的處理的速度實在是太慢所以我手上拿的是地方人民的陳情書他們陳情的部分我今天把它做成那個讓簡單的文字讓大家看到他們所說的烏山龍水庫它有它民生國安的特殊重要性如果污染了那麼我們怎麼辦 |
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而且他有灌溉整個雲嘉南平原15萬畝的糧田北至虎尾南至台南安平是台灣最大的穀倉如果這個部分沒有辦法成為民生跟我們國防的最大後盾怎麼辦再來 |
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我們看到在整個供應水的部分也是依照自來水法跟飲用水管理條例相關的部分都應該禁止所有的興建跟設置行為因為水源保護的重要性再來就是我們是江南農業的命脈民生用水的基石環境生態的屏障 |
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所以烏山頭水庫設了我們的光電板大家的內心無法承受但是我必須強調這是111年就已經設置好的因為這一次丹納斯颱風再一次被檢討再一次被提醒好他也是 |
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我們的文化遺產這個文化遺產我們所看到的是烏山頭水庫它是八田羽衣它所留下的重要資產所以這幾點讓六甲的鄉親讓關田的鄉親甚至現在因為他們提出這些聲明變成全部從北至南全部都涵蓋了 |
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所以部長兩位部長還有我們的環境部的次長這個嚴重性知識體大絕對不是告而已當然今天沒有用化學藥劑而被說有用化學藥劑引發社會的恐慌這個要告業者要告是業者的事可是我們政府要給人民什麼樣的信心指數 |
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這個很重要啊我們每次都偏廢了然後變成一個風向搞到最後政府無法承擔兩位部長跟市長我要拜託大家我們是不是能夠來做一個宣示因為基本上現在在水庫要設光電板如果我們的政府不同意地方政府不同意其實他是沒有辦法設立的 |
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包括我們在曾文水庫還有我們的烏山頭水庫的二期都是一樣烏山頭水庫二期因為現在台南市政府不同意然後曾文水庫因為嘉義縣政府不同意所以這個全部停擺 |
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所以我們是不是做一個宣示如果水庫現在已經引發大家這麼多的爭議我們不論白河水庫在台南白河水庫 烏山頭水庫 曾文水庫 南化水庫我們絕對不會核准任何一個光電執照是不是可以 部長來 部長是 巴委員我想這樣 因為 |
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就是現在民眾有一些餘力餘力有兩個嘛它穩不穩固嘛那第二個就是這個清洗的時候的方式嘛那我想既有的部分清洗的部分我們會加強監督沒有 部長我告訴你你依照我這個部分後面我們會談到白河烏山頭這是台南白河烏山頭真聞難話 |
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因為基本上現在沒有一個縣市政府敢准地方政府沒有核准我們就不可能所以我們就宣誓 我們為什麼都不敢講宣誓說如果在地方政府都不同意的前提之下我們不可能核准任何一張的我們在水庫上面的光電執照地方政府不同意的話 |
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對不對 好 我們就訂了這個嘛所以地方政府 由地方政府把關各縣市政府在我們的水庫上面 包括因為真文有嘉義縣跟台南市嘛所以我們在整個的氛圍當中白河 烏山頭 真文 南化只要各縣市政府不同意我們絕對不會核准任何一張在水庫上方的光電執照OK吧 |
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好第二個部分就是說這是農業部的農業部因為烏山頭的光電板是在111年完成依照租賃合約的時間是9年11個月這我對你們的合約說出來所以租賃9年11個月我在這裡要求期間夠不要再續租了不要再續租了可以嗎 |
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可以嗎 我想我們 電證我如果沒有同意你也沒辦法續租啦 對地方政府如果沒有同意的話我們中央絕對不會壓著地方政府同意 對嘛所以你們農田水利署就不能再續租這個宣示性很重要 |
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我們不要這樣子好像畏畏縮縮的要講就講大聲所以我們如果在9年11個月也就是121年4月23日時間到了租任合約到了我們農田水利署允諾不再續租 |
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這個我們拜託農業部這個要堅持然後再來我們在這段時間合約規定清洗是禁用清潔劑的這裡面合約有寫得非常清楚也就是部長剛所說的我們是禁用清潔劑的好這個部分要怎麼控管才能讓民眾安心我們的這個能源署或是我們 |
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我可不可以先說明一下我們就因為灌溉用水的部分其實我們農業部包括我們的那個管理處烏山頭管理處的部分我們大概一年檢測了五次然後在不同點位在哪裡你這個要公開啊烏山頭然後這個所有的檢測在環境部的網站都有公告它一定是用清水的因為大家已經對於烏山頭我們的水師檢測站也會有你要把它公開嘛管理處的網站也會有 |
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那這個網站公開之後那有人說好像真的設了111年設的時候我們的水質有改變有這樣的話嗎有這樣的狀況嗎沒有這樣的沒有這回事情沒有這回事你把它公開啊資訊公開啊 |
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你要跟大家 沒有 部長你資訊那麼多大家不知道哪一個是否我們烏山頭的哪一個是否我們灌溉水源的哪一個是否我們的水池的特別事情已經發生了你慢慢半拍 把資料調出來有 我們都有監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
607.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
635.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
這些錯假訊息用清潔劑洗其實清潔劑洗含有磷的時候在相關的檢測是檢測得出來的所以我們相關的檢測都是安全的而且是沒有用到清潔劑因為含有磷的部分所以這個部分我們會有處理那你就要把這一塊單獨出來在現在大家紛紛擾擾的時候把它獨立出來做一個非常重要的一個資訊透明再來那我們要怎麼控管水質那我們經濟部 |
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637.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
665.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我們也是一樣進到進水廠之前我們都會檢測啊需要檢測是OK的對 沒有資訊資訊在哪裡你們都說有啊我們有在檢測啊問題資訊在哪裡我拜託在今天之後你們兩個部會把這兩個獨立出來讓大家看清楚我們的水質是怎麼檢測的好再來因為我們一年要洗兩次 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
665.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
668.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
清洗兩次 這個誰在控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
669.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
696.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
清洗兩次 這個光電板用清水清洗的光電板好 那拜託我們在清洗的時候我們邀請現場關心的民眾甚至里長去看嘛怎麼清洗的嘛也可以這個樣子把它透明化是不是可以可以把它透明化這樣大家都沒有疑慮了再來我要拜託因為現在還有一個疑問說 |
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698.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
721.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
這個綠能公司是我們台汽電的孫公司是我們的孫公司所以如果現在民眾這麼樣的反彈我們是不是可以跟他溝通可以做什麼樣的處置來我們能源署台電台電是不是可以台電是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
723.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
743.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
可以我可以要求台電請台電公司來幫忙那另外這一個剛才講他對個人對他公司名譽的毀損那麼他們在禮拜五已經去警局做登記然後今天法院上班之後他們就會提出那是公司的問題我一直強調公司他自己要維護他的名譽他自己要去維護 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
743.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
763.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
可是我們的政府我們要怎麼讓人民安心這是兩鬼兩件事可是我們往往都把它併在一起我們是兩件事所以我說的我們要怎麼去溝通我們台氣店因為既然是孫公司嘛台氣店怎麼做很重要讓人民怎麼安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
763.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
778.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
就刚才委员讲的清洗刚才农业部说他们会来检查那我们也会透过公司这一边要求他要清洗的时候要找地方的村里长跟民众大家一起来看那避免未来这种谣言再发生 |
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779.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
794.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
重點就是水庫上方不能再準任何的光電板然後呢我們9年11個月時間到了我們農水署不要再租給他們我相信這樣民眾就會比較安心謝謝 |