| IVOD_ID |
163999 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163999 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T09:37:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T09:48:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5d6d14916e595edc4acd37037cf645a7524a4fcb09fe3320ef4ee7f50dc8c179ba8a105b9bd18edd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:09 - 09:48:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆率所屬機關首長暨中央存款保險股份有限公司、監管相關機構有關之財團法人、臺灣證券交易所股份有限公司、臺灣期貨交易所股份有限公司、臺灣集中保管結算所股份有限公司等董事長、總經理列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【10月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】） |
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以及各位先進有請彭主委我們請彭主委委員長 |
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您早 早那麼先請教啦就是因為現在有關於輝達要這個設海外總部在台北市這個北思科的T478的用地的爭議那現在來看的話就是因為新售這裡面有一個賴總統已經說話了就希望中央跟地方好好的合作怎麼樣讓輝達一定留在 |
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台北市或者是台灣這個地方喔那我就請問你因為你們軍管會的你的武器在哪裡你們有什麼武器可以幫這個事情搞定 有沒有 |
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報告委員其實這個從所有的媒體包括到今天截止各位很清楚這是一個主要是授權公司跟台北市政府他們在做一個在一個地上權上面雙方合約上面的爭議 |
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我們這邊在金管會上面很明顯的就是他們是一個不動產投資是一個因為我們的所謂的這些的地上權在我們的不動產交易管理辦法裡面它是屬於所謂的樹地的投資所以我們是從這個角度它就是我們一般假設金管會的角度來看它就是我們不動產投資管理的範疇至於說現在契約上的爭議那是他們在契約上面他們應該按照契約的精神去解決 |
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好 那我就請教你啊因為原來跟台北市政府簽約叫新售是可是現在它已經被消滅掉了還沒幾乎是吧 怎麼沒有呢它現在新病啊台新跟新光病了以後它是預計明年1月1號對 但是在10月底之前在10月底才能夠決定新售其實是不見了 怎麼會還有呢新售還有嗎 |
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就是因為兩家合併他是被併的還是併人家的看是他們採用哪種合併在法律上他們現在應該他送件過來選擇的消滅公司應該是星光人壽法律上的消滅公司但是他們事後呢兩家是合併在一起那更名為星光人壽大概是我們送的文件是這樣呈現的結果他們送給你的是星光人壽要被併的 |
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不是他病人家嘛他是法律上面的消滅公司對嘛 就是消滅公司嘛所以等於說跟台北市政府簽約的新獸不見了在法律上他是因為就等於說他變成現在跟台新合併以後的新的新光人獸 |
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是嘛 就是在星星啊星星監控底下的星光人獸嘛應該這樣 所以主體是變的喔對 那時候他們合併完成確實這個主體已經法律上不是原來的兩家它就變成一家 |
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好 那我現在就請問你所以你有沒有著力點嘛因為現在賴總統都已經講話啦你們的著力點在哪裡你的著力點在哪裡我剛跟委員報告我們是金融監理機關我們關注的是金融監理的議題我剛才說過這兩部分一個是他們之間的契約 |
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的糾紛 這我們過去呢我們主管機關絕對不會介入到契約的糾紛但是他今天是一個不動產投資我們有一套完整的不動產投資的規範他就必須要遵守好 那他現在來講跟因為原來的新售跟台北市政府簽是五年的時間要開發不動產但現在到今年底就是四年了結果現在動都沒有動 |
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這個情況是不是一定要等到五年後才台北市政府才可以跟他解約還是說現在來講的話已經看得到不可能一年蓋好了 |
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我想這個問題應該去問他們雙方但是我們這邊我剛跟委員講說就是我們現在關注的是他這個不動產投資案是否符合我們不動產的相關的規範現在沒有符合因為現在的話我們的規範是非常的清楚就是說當我取得這樣一個過戶過來以後都審的時間不算接下來是五年的時間你必須要及時利用且有收益 |
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現在四年過去了到今年年底就四年了幾乎都沒有動我們的算法其實那是另外他們跟台北市政府的合約是一個這個要把它區分清楚那是他們合約上面訂定的問題我們這裡是本來其實我們這種所謂的地上權的投資已經非常非常多了已經不是只有這個案子我想這個都非常普遍你們怎麼監管地上權的投資你們怎麼監管 |
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沒有 我們就剛才講說我們現在對不動產投資這明顯在保險法146號之二裡面投資必須即時利用且有收益所以說我們現在來講假設你買一個標定你必須要立刻就有收益假設你買土地的話土地不可能立刻有收益所以我們在那個辦法你明定就是給五年但五年裡面有特別講清楚就是說你前面的都審這個問題不在你身上 對不對所以這個可以扣除那接下來就是五年的時間 |
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那現在來講他五年到明年算不算到明年到期還沒因為其實各位如果看那個時序我想他們各自都有說明就是我取得以後他送督審那督審以後那我就請教你現在來講他們雙方因為現在新售也軟化了因為在雨熱的壓力底下他希望提出一個叫合意的解約這樣的方向你樂不樂見 |
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這個我剛剛跟委員報告過了其實我接下來我也會不斷的說這是他們雙方之間的協議其實我們在一個金融監理機關我們是制度的建立者我們是管的是受險公司他的不動產投資所以等於說你在這個地方沒有任何阻力點他們合約的問題我們當然不會介入 |
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簡單來講就是賴總統說要中央幫忙沒辦法可以幫忙中央有很多的部會中央有很多的部會我們在是個金融監理其實中央有非常非常多的部會不是只有金管會所以金管會沒有辦法我們是尊重我們這個體制尊重我們的監理的職權所以用百花文講就是你們是沒辦法幫的好 |
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我們來看股市巨幅震盪今天本來說外面都說今天要跌1000點以上事實上沒有了跌了400多1500點可是我的重點不是這裡我的重點在於 |
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所以已經漲到27000可是你注意看股我們1800 將近1800點的股票幾乎三分之二以上都沒有漲沒什麼漲都是跟AI相關的類股才有漲這個道地的台灣就變成荷蘭病了經濟荷蘭病了就只有某個產業很好其他產業都不太好其他傳統產業五星價的人越來越多到上萬人了因為說 |
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這是關稅的影響等等的你怎麼看這個事情你覺得AI相關股會不會泡沫 |
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根本不知道我真的不是這方面的專業但是我也因為很多人提醒這樣我們在對金融市場的特別資本市場建立我也自己也開始去理解這個問題結果來發現就是說實際上這個AI這樣的一個所謂的商機不是只有台灣是全世界都在看好這件事情我也很多種說法我不會去做預測我只是說台灣在過去確實在 |
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比如說我們過去從一萬多點漲到兩萬多點確實是集中在某一些產業這跟我們進出口的這也是高度的一致這也是為什麼說因為它整個基本因為時間到你就簡單講好不好台灣有沒有得到你從你股市監理的角度看台灣有沒有得到經濟荷蘭病的 |
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這種現象有沒有其實我覺得非常多元有人從過去的歷史來看就是說好像是這樣但有人說其實他去分析國外的股票也是就是你賺錢的公司未來前景好他的股價持續漲另外但是你沒有前景的那股價就平均所以你的意思就是所以你的意思就是除了AI以外都不太會漲也不太賺錢 |
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不是 不是就說大家對他的預期就說其他不是只有台灣股市是這樣就像比如說有人說2008年就起漲起跌不管好壞都漲多跌那個反而是一個奇怪但是有時候呢他假設我們市場越來越精準 |
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我們投資人越來越聰明所以其實現在的情況在過去歷史上不見得能夠找得到我請教最後一個問題金管會有沒有能力查案網因為在10月7號台灣的復達投信 |
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215萬筆的客戶資料 按網售328 USDT 就是美金啦這麼便宜 一點多 萬分之一點多你們有沒有能力差這個事情因為投信投股很多都有投資人的個資他們這樣外洩 你們怎麼看 |
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其實我想這個對所有的政府機關或是這些查緝單位都是一個重點我必須坦白跟各位跟委員報告我們金管會組織結構大家都非常透明我們只有一個支付處我們待會可以我們的專家這個是我們的志工專家我可以請我支付處來回答這個問題好 謝謝 處長 |
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公務員報告 金管會有請財經公司成立金融資安資訊分辨中心那他們目前有一個機制會定期去收集案碗上面相關的資訊如果有的話他會有在收集嗎有 有 目前有定期在看就是要確保投信投顧的相關投資戶的個資 |
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對 如果是案碗上面涉及金融機構的部分我們會有一個定期收集的機制如果有發現的話會通現在跟你講起來就是最新這一筆啊你怎麼處理最新這一筆怎麼處理這一筆是不是我們再回去確認一下是不是在之前曾經處理過10月7號目前沒有看到這一筆對 我們事後再回報告好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝賴委員接下來我們請郭國文委員 |