| IVOD_ID |
163994 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163994 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-26-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-09T12:31:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-09T12:43:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0913948005eacb628356fdde79b40f97819c05f3ca7f3b915dd0128aa318ab8eaa5b8daa13db02115ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:31:26 - 12:43:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長針對「因關稅造成我國市場就業及勞動環境衝擊之影響及因應對策」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【10月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
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接下来请杨耀委员发言请蔡易瑜委员发言蔡易瑜委员蔡易瑜委员不在请杨耀委员发言 |
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謝謝主席 主席我請一下部長部長我先問一個問題就是說你們的沒宣費用大概管道是什麼我剛剛聽你們回覆這個問題 |
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因為沒宣費用一直在被檢討我個人我先講我個人並沒有很大的意見可是我覺得你們是不是趁這個機會向國人其實會包括廣播那因為很多勞工階層 廣播就是包括在新聞裡面對 然後也包括 |
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包括社群的媒體廣播的媒體平面媒體還有甚至還有一些戶外的媒體對比方說在在有些工業區那是不是能透過用廣告的看板的方式讓在比較人群集中的地方會看得到所以我們其實是多元的方法 |
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對 當然政策的推動跟落實其實是必須要透過宣導的這個是沒有錯可是我還是希望我們把多一點的預算真正的用在實體上 |
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那不代表我反對美元費用只是說怎麼找到好一點的方式譬如說我想得到的就是勞動部在全國大概都有各種工會透過他們來幫忙宣導因為他們算是你們的長期合作夥伴那這個是免費的宣傳而且我覺得這個可能是最到位的請部長多加利用 |
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其實公會的網絡我們這段時間其實都去很積極的去接觸那的確因為台灣的公會其實整體的覆蓋率還不是那麼高所以有很多他比方說現在減半休息的企業他不一定是有公會的所以可能還是要透過媒體的方式來去觸及到這些需要知道的人對啦 我是這樣子 我是 |
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我覺得比較可惜就是有一些政策是好的我們要去推動可是反而被檢討的都是宣傳費用我覺得過去這一年這個問題還不小那很容易模糊政策的焦點所以我就在這邊跟部長做個簡單的討論部長我問一下就是說九月底 |
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美國CPP針對吉安特的製造商巨大公司在台灣生產的自行車還有自行車的零組件發出了戰扣令就是說他們發布的新聞稿是表示巨大公司違反禁止使用強迫勞動生產的商品進入美國然後獲取不當的利潤 |
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遭受讓美國企業受到損失經濟部有發新聞稿他說基於巨大公司是國際知名的自行車製造商為了協助該公司維護其國際的商譽這個對於企業來講很重要他們將跟勞動部合作協助巨大公司 |
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解決可能涉及的強迫勞動議題讓美方可以儘早撤銷戰扣令那我請教一下部長就是說巨大公司替我國勞工提供了很多的就業機會 |
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本於保障勞工權益的立場是不是我們部裡面已經有進入場去了解本勞還有移工實際的勞動環境 |
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我們其實在9月底的時候有進場然後做了初步的一些意見的或者是初步一些狀況的了解那的確現在也還請巨大再提供一些相關的資料比較能夠做整體性的更徹底的了解 |
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所以前面性的了解還沒有完成對 就是因為還需要巨大公司來提供一些更進一步的資料因為他沒有提供前面性的資料我們就很難提供他必要的協助我們進場的目的是希望協助巨大公司來提出有效的改善方案然後希望早日來解除美方現在對他的一些質疑我知道 |
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因為我原本還想要接下來問你們提供了什麼協助那看樣子就是他給的資料還沒有完成所以部裡面這邊可以提供的協助也還沒有開始我們其實有給他初步一些建議但是確實要你說更完整的部分的話會需要他一些資料來做提供 |
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因為巨大公司有聲明說他們從今年開始其實已經前面推動移工零招聘費政策那對於所有新聘外籍員工的招聘仲介還有政府的費用都是公司全額來負擔那請問一下就是那他這一次又被制裁過去勞動部這邊並沒有將 |
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將移工零付費政策強制入法對不對目前沒有現在美方呢要求我國的企業必須要落實那勞動部要怎麼去輔導業者達到美方或者是其他也有可能這一件事情是發生在美國也有可能其他有相對貿易的國家都會有類似的問題 |
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我們要怎麼輔導業者來達到譬如說美國期盼的標準我跟文說明其實的確台灣現在有很多我們的廠商他把移工相關聘僱的工作都交給人力仲介那其實有的時候人力仲介我說部分的人力仲介他怎麼做有時候這個企業本身也不一定都很清楚那 |
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可是如果人力仲介我说部分的人力仲介没有很清楚的告诉企业现在这些关于移工的劳动人权的问题已经会变成你的营运的经济风险的时候这个风险就变成是企业在承担可是他对于风险的资讯就不了解所以我想我们在协助里面我觉得第一部分重要的事情是要让企业有能力去做这样的风险评估 |
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企業有能力做風險評估他才有辦法去做風險的管理或者是去做降低風險的一些做法的方案當他都不知道自己當企業都不知道自己這個相關的風險的時候他就很難去做相關的因應所以我們的輔導裡面要先協助企業做有能力做風險評估那我覺得這是重要的第一步 |
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那怎麼協助因為根據台灣勞工政縣跟國家人權委員會合作的一個調查報告裡面指出台灣 |
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台灣10週資本額前50大企業的製造廠商裡面其實多數企業是沒有在辨識強迫勞動風險上的能力是不足的所以這部分我們會要跟經濟部一起來合作我們會要提出一個輔導或者是包括協助指引的計畫來去協助廠商指引要趕快出 |
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包括我們的輔導跟指引的計畫我們要趕快提出來這部分我們會跟經濟部一起合作還有一個問題就是剛剛部長有提到仲介的部分我們現在不是說多數的仲介是說有部分仲介可能才是引發強迫勞動 |
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指標違反的始作俑者那這個部分怎麼去處理我們也認為其實企業也要有能力去管理仲介可是它是不同的公司我的意思說管理的意思不是說有點同一公司要管理而是比方說履約管理比方說在跟仲介在跟人力仲介的合約裡面要包括哪些部分那怎麼去要求 |
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跟你簽約的仲介有合約的仲介他要做到哪些事情而盡量避免說其實很多東西變成部分的仲介他怎麼做怎麼做可是你都不知道或者是你也不知道怎麼要求他其實我們在這段時間我們看到有一些我們的產業他對於怎麼要求仲介去做到不要有強迫勞動的疑慮他也不太知道該怎麼做那這部分就是我們要來輔導跟提呼指引的做法 |
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那有沒有可能違反強迫勞動的源頭並不在國內是在移工來源國也不是不可能那這個部分要怎麼解決因為這個部分就更困難了剛剛講說 |
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聘僱的企業要去要求本國的人力中介公司履約這個就有難度了那我們怎麼去確認移工來源國有沒有這個問題跟委員說明的確海外的部分的挑戰是會更多的 |
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那當然這部分我們也會跟移工的來源國做雙邊的討論我們會在這個程序做雙邊討論但也的確我們看到陸續有些企業比方說一些科技業他其實有用這個零付費的移工 |
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那這林副委員工他也有找仲介只是這個仲介費或者是招募費是由企業自己來負擔這樣巨大就表示他們對 就是他是企業來負擔並不是說這裡面不能有仲介的人力仲介的服務但是是由企業自己來負擔所以我們的確現在也看到在國際上面跟產業裡面有一些不同的做法那這些做法都相對是比較能夠合乎現在國際上面的要求 |
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對 這是一個很嚴肅很嚴重的問題那其實也有一定的困難度就企業本身他要怎麼去 |
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他自己就像巨大他已經表示從今年開始他就已經是一共零付費了那怎麼去跟相關的特別是國內的仲介公司怎麼去溝通這件事情跟一共來源國怎麼去溝通這件事情這個都是重大的挑戰請部裡面多努力謝謝部長 謝謝主席 |