| IVOD_ID |
163987 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163987 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-09T11:49:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-09T12:00:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0913948005eacb62bdef095981724b3d119d4e8153da54ef5dd0128aa318ab8e7fa58c9f4dc8bf975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:49:16 - 12:00:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請考試院秘書長、考選部部長、銓敘部部長及公務人員保障暨培訓委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。 【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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請留秘書長跟施部長秘書長跟施部長委員長秘書長你是位A百合出身的很貼近民意而且你好長一段時間民進黨的重要決策你都有參與特別是蔡英文總統的八年 |
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我現在問一個非常重要的問題在蔡英文八年期間甚至往前推陳水扁的八年民進黨的政府有曾經發生過立法院三讀通過的法定預算總統公告以後行政院沒有編列預算的嗎行政部門沒有編列預算的嗎我記憶中是沒有其他的例子啦但是我的記憶不一定完整 |
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沒有一個嘛 我也問了卓榮泰嘛舉不出來啊 嘴巴堵住啊那以前陳水北沒有 蔡英文沒有現在的賴清德跟卓榮泰這個民進黨政府不是民主進步黨變成專制退步黨是不是一代不如一代嗎可是考試院也有責任啊這次通過的警消人員所得替代率恢復到被砍的八成 |
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很多人還恢復不了八成喔 跟你年資還有關係喔要服務滿40年才有到八成喔那考試院 你剛才說的不是只有行政院啊 那考試院在做什麼事情你們要審定啊 對不對 法定你的法律 審定是不是你的法定義務你做了嗎那個我們現在已經 上次已經 因為有系統各自當中我們就會在年底以前把它全部完成 |
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這個法案什麼時候通過的總統什麼時候公告四月多吧我們是法治社會欸總統公告法律就正式實施嘛 對不對沒有錯沒有錯你都知道沒錯 4月25號就應該 |
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結果你要負責審定的機關現在過多久了五個多月了你到現在還沒審定好喔我跟委員報告 當初在年改的時候也是花了很長時間因為數量非常非常多所以需要一個一個審定我們警察人員已經退現在大概有三萬七千筆 |
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所以我們必須 而且這中間還涉及到那個到底誰要負責這個因為那不是退伏法 那是根據警察條例所以內政部 老實說全者是在內政部後來我們部裡面主動要內政部說大家好好來談這個事情我們願意來做這個事情開發系統 各式各樣所以目前的已經差不多就緒了那等到12月底以前你為什麼 你剛剛都知道法定預算 |
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總統公告開始法律就生效了那你錢就要撥啦對不對結果你現在核定已經五個多月了你沒有下來你這不是嚴重的失職嗎你是受到不好還是你故意在拖延全區部沒有失職沒有失職來看來我來看你開這個會是怎麼樣議會養會上還是故意在拖延沒有故意拖延我想如果那個會如果你更清楚了解內政部來你看一下你的你跟內政部全區部跟內政部開的會 |
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你這個叫一而不決嘛你看你的結論都一樣喔委員如果一而不決我就不會說現在我們在12月底12月底以前會完成這個事情就一開始的時候確實內政部一直不太願意去參與這些事情你這個已經是嚴重失職了嘛4月25號你為什麼要拖這麼久委員第一個你為什麼拖這麼久已經是不對了委員我一向尊重你所以我沒有辦法接受你用權勢不失職這個職業來 |
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我整理出來你開的五次會議的內容你這個大概有三到四次結論都在上面首席經費來源跟編列預算由內政部持續跟財主單位去確認你開了 |
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你從4月29號開會 5月16 5月28 6月25到7月30啊你的結論都一樣 你開這什麼會議你不是數學不好 還是你根本就是委員您知道這個過程在會議過程你根本就對得起公教人員會議過程裡面就是全 我們有這樣一個說法但是內政部那邊一直還有一些疑慮所以最後 在最後一次會議所以你說問題在內政部 |
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我不是這樣講 我是說這個事情本來就是一個根據警察條例修的法所以這個部分要內政部負責之後 那我們協助也開發計謀問題在內政部 當然內政部責任我們得追清楚可是這個核定是誰要負責所以核定決定是我你等一下 我想必須定邊緯省的行政部門對不對對這個核定誰負責核定是權序部負責 |
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你怎麼把責任推給內政部呢法律一過突然之間所有退休的警察人員要重新核定好幾萬人嘛公務同仁要去執行這個工作一定需要時間就像當年年改忽然調整了給付的方式之後我們也用了很長的時間要去做準備所以這幾個月全局部都沒有停下來所以就審定的部分我們也承諾 |
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系統開發出來年底之前這個是可以完成大家會收到那個審定函沒有問題那現在的問題就在於說現在就是說如果他是依照原來的退伏法所可以拿到退休金這個都是我們的責任那他因為警察人事條例修改多出來要拿的那個部分那那個編列預算跟他未來預算編列那個就是行政院的部分所以我們的部分其實都有在做啦像公務同仁做核定這些都非常的努力因為一筆一筆都不能錯 |
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第一個 你已經嚴重違法 拖延太久了你本來4月25號生效你就快給了我問你 你現在拖到現在沒給來 必須另外問你你拖到現在沒給 你到時候要補嗎這是一個 第一要補 利息要不要算進去他現在 問題是你法律出來生效了之後那個預算也不存在啊所以怎麼什麼都不存在你法定 就是法定預算已經夠了啊 |
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所以我剛不是一開始問你你怎麼會連連法律案過了法定預算法定預算你之後核定完之後他錢就必須編嘛對不對而且要從4月25號就開始算嘛對不對蛤 |
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什麼叫不會當年入片 他的權利就從是從這個法律分架之後 哇 你這樣嚴重對不起不只嚴重對不起警消人員喔你整個法制的那個觀念 基本觀念都沒有總統已經公告要實施的這個法律案啊你們現在拖延這麼久 你們現在還說不是從4月25號喔是從4月25號啊啊你今天幾號 今天幾號我跟委員報告過啊需要三萬多人一個核定 |
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然後一個一個核定那我們的行政作業程序就是這樣當我們一旦核定完以後呢我們就有分基金的錢那根據退伍法一核定那個錢就撥給你那現在差的是那個根據差額你們現在跟全國的民眾講說一個4月25號通過的三讀條文總統公告這個全序部 |
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到現在算不出來 你看會不會笑掉人家大牙在全世界可能都是個笑話更重要 我問你好 那你4月25號錢就該給嘛我現在問你通基本的嘛就到時候這個錢是要補回去對不對你說你要算到年底不能到年底 快一點啦我跟你講現在如果去告你 賭職可能都成立了啦賭職都成立了啦第二個 理事是要什麼 |
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我本來4月25號要拿到錢4月26號要拿到錢啊對不對你現在給我偷到年底才給我你利息錢要不要算我可不可以要求國賠你將心比心 |
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是不是如果法律生效他的權益都在啦但是這個錢不會一夕之間這個行政程序也不會一夕之間背完你本來應該4月26號就要給你要盡快的完成這個審定嘛結果你審定偷到現在都沒給你親外到警消人員的權益嘛所以我問你啊第一你有沒有瀆職的問題第二個對人家的權益的這個損害人家可不可以要求國賠那你在算的時候利息你不要還給人家 |
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539.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
567.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
你少算 你現在給 四月給跟你再拖個到明年給都你自己做數喔 你們有沒有法治觀念啊你數學再不好一點 你拖到明年才算好喔 就到明年才能領喔這法治社會嗎是不是這樣我什麼時候可以領到我的法定的預算是你們的作業一拖再拖你如果再算兩年 兩年後比較便宜是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
568.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
591.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
去想一想你怎麼會這麼離譜來我接著要問一個很重要的事情現在議員還可以等我一下嗎現在人民最生氣的一個是你們的審定函到現在沒出來你標準你現在跟我講說要拖到年底這已經是嚴重失職了更生氣的是行政院行政院怎麼可以說立法院過了去申請事件就停在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
593.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
603.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
剛剛秘書長也承認嘛 法定預算過了其實疫情什麼老農津貼 不管在國民黨執政老農津貼增加預算 法案過了就編嘛不管哪一個黨嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
605.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
629.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
蕭美琴提過花東發展條例對不對那就是個法案啊 過了預算就編啊周榮泰跟戴青的政府是全台灣第一次法定預算過了沒有編的結果他現在竟然在嘻哈拼水杯還對不起 對不起全國民眾他竟然講說 我申請釋憲 按個 按停鍵這筆錢就可以不用給他把自己當上帝了 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
630.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
645.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
都侵犯到霸凌到軍人跟這個警消人員啊這嚴重抗議的我最後一分鐘抱歉我忘了剛剛一直在講這個公教公教人員的這個退休金的問題我覺得柏定理是嚴重失職了 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
647.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
673.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
勞動部對於勞保基金可能破產 人家每一年都爭取到一千億的最近三年 已經三千多億了結果你應該是照顧 如果怕你在講 你說怕這個基金破產你有沒有像勞動部這樣去積極去爭取你不只沒有爭取耶 你還少撥補耶你這不是嚴重失職嗎跟勞動部看齊 好不好不要一直嘴巴在講說破產 結果你又沒有積極去爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
676.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
688.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
一起努力啦 更重要的 我們是個法治社會嘛不要一直倒退 把根挖掉警消人員那麼辛苦 已經法定預算過了守法 而且趕快不要再霸凌不要再欺負我們的警消人員 謝謝 |