| IVOD_ID |
163982 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163982 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-09T11:04:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-09T11:18:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0913948005eacb62fec6ac6bb800e3a4119d4e8153da54efdcf33aa1b589368281c04d3e6e31e3a45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:04:43 - 11:18:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請考試院秘書長、考選部部長、銓敘部部長及公務人員保障暨培訓委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。 【10月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝請劉秘書長委員長秘書長早大家辛苦了今天我的質詢是新會期的第一次那也剛好是這個時間點我要給出我的兩個肯定跟一個呼籲肯定我們的心理架要上路了就在明天也肯定我們的永續報告書終於出爐了好 下一頁 |
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首先心理下這個在立法院我真的是率先倡議到現在教育先行公務機關來接力教育部呢高中職全上路大學現在從兩個學校我一開始倡議到現在127個學校都有 |
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所以呢 学校有了关心学生的心理健康公务机关是第二个接力的我质询了人事处长也四次质询考试院相关的包括师部长也四次加起来终于看到一个好的结果下一页所以说我要提醒哦明天正式上路嘛对不对 秘书长是 明天那一个价别的反应不只是给需要的同仁一个满足他的需求 |
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更重要的是藉由這個價別讓我們所有的公務體系的同仁能夠去關懷彼此關照到誰也許在面臨的身心重大的壓力這些執行我當然會跟人事總署分享但是我想你們也是掌管公務同仁所有的相關事項我給予肯定但是不要忘了他不是只多一個價他有他背後來建構賴清德總統健康台灣 |
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尤其Mental Health的這個部分考試員有什麼新的想法嗎其實我想各機關因為都有員工協助的措施這個部分應該持續來強化因為心理健康這個我想大家越來越重視越來越了解這個事情的存在其實這個價別的存在 |
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就可以让我们有一个多的工具去观察谁请了这个假他也许正面临着他心理健康的suffer需要我们出手来相助我肯定你们感谢你们明天就要上路这是所有公务机关的好消息下一个呢我手上拿的是考试院终于也有永续报告书 |
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這個行政院永續會要求所有的二級機關地方政府都要有那我是非常關心永續政策所以我過去在教育文化委員會我發現中研院居然沒有後來中研院也加入了我轉到司法法治委員會我發現總統府也沒有總統府現在也加入那我謝謝考試院不再缺一角正式加入謝謝你們你有看這個報告書嗎 |
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呃 有裡面你們在有18項工作要對應於聯合國教科文組織的17個發展指標很好 我也會定期來管考下一頁那除了考試員有永續報告之外我們的國家基金的主管機關也要有我也在質詢台上勞動基金 郵儲基金都有永續報告書你們的退伏基金有了嗎 |
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應該是上上禮拜我才看到那個初稿已經交給我了好 我跟你報告 就在今天就在今天所以今天交委安排這個時間非常好來質詢你們我也就是肯定你們就在今天退府基金的永續報告書今天出爐我早上要去要你們的同仁說因為很厚一本很用心我想要提供給我們所有司法法治委員會關心的委員好嗎 |
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那退伏基金的永續報告書內涵很重要的是什麼下一頁就是我們的投資的碳足跡的這個部分要列進去我當初揭露的四大基金的投資碳足跡居然退伏基金是最高的換言之有一個永續報告書就可以透過公開揭露去檢視你們投資在符合時代永續潮流的產業這個會watch嗎對不對好下一頁 |
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那這也是國際的趨勢我就不贅述好下一頁所以說再次感謝今天出爐以後我也會follow也希望我們的退府基金真的是用在正確的投資之外產生必要的效益之外要讓它永續就你們的永續報告書裡頭 |
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的第十七項工作對不起第十二項工作強化公務人員退府基金及儲金運用的收益要打造長期穩健及永續經營的年金退休的機制這就是對應於聯合國的指標第十項的減少不平等以及要打造一個和平正義的社會制度 |
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所以在做基金永續照顧退休的穩健是世界的趨勢但是呢下一頁我很遺憾這個會期我們的年改已經有幾個法案即將可能快速的要被討論我希望充分討論而不是強行碾壓我們看看國民黨的朱立倫主席他說的 |
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現在有通膨啊生活的需求越來越高啊所以呢再砍年金是不公平的要確保維持退休人員的基本生活所需朱立倫說的他說的成不成立我們現在政策有沒有做到我們等一下可以來討論傅昆齊總召他在開議日說的國民黨第一個優先法案就是公教反年改的法案我真的覺得我們多多朝野合作多多對話不要為快而快 |
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我們看到在場是羅志強委員也是我們司法法治委員會他現在參選國民黨黨主席他把停侃年金的所得替代率成為他競選黨主席的政見我是覺得年金永續是民生議題不要有政黨的政治化 |
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當然 我們翁曉琳 昭緯她也提到說 這個會期她擔任昭緯年金改革違反公平正義我要跟昭緯再次的喊話其實年金改革才是真正的落實公平正義我們無論如何期待新的會期司法法治委員會我們讓對話討論來取代過去的強行碾壓這個議題可以討論但真的不要為快而快也是我對翁委員的請求好 下一頁 |
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我問一下兩位 兩個應該世代有一點點差異一個我叫老師 一個我叫朋友同學 老師你一個月基本生活手續要開多少 |
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我真的不多啦有的探機私人隱私就不方便講真的不多啦真的不多會超過五萬塊嗎不會啦不會來這個祕書長你跟我年紀比較相仿你的世代你的基本生活所需是多少方便透露的話我好像沒有算你好像沒有算因為都老婆在替你管對不對 |
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會超過五萬嗎你個人的基本生活所需就是量入為出啦量入為出我們要這回答好像老婆虧待你的感覺其實對於剛剛朱立倫主席說的現在的通膨啦生活的指數啦如果年金繼續的砍下去呢所得替代率呢不停的話呢會影響退休公務同仁的基本生活所需我認為就要去定義 |
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基本生活所需是多少是合理的我這裡有一個衛福部公告的六都還有全台灣的2025年的最低生活費它是一個參照我們不是說每個人都要過得這麼辛苦我不是而是說以這個官方的數字統計的最低生活費的統計首都貴了一點要每個月要兩萬 |
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其他的六都除了台南大概一萬五千元之外其他的六都 新北 桃園 台中 高雄大概都落在一萬六這是一個全國的數字的統整非六都的平均生活的這個基本的生活需支大概算出來是一萬五但是我們就要來看看剛剛朱立倫主席說的現在的退府如果不停砍的話哇 他們的退休金是沒有辦法支應他的基本生活所需的 |
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現在的公教來請部長公務人員跟教育人員平均我這邊有試算他的月退的這個所得大概是多少我的數字正確嗎去年在跟公聽會的時候我們也有根據那時候的大概去年的一個數字去做一個平均值大概應該都有超過五萬塊平均值教育人員會高一點 |
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我這裡整理的數字公務人員是最新的數字是5萬50656元一個月一個人教育人員的退休縫是57973其實都遠高於國家所試算的生活費的這一個range當然我說我們不是每個人都要過得很辛苦但是也不是每個人都要過得很 |
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超出基本需求之外那兩位又可以分享一下嗎我們五萬在公務人員交易人員有五萬七的退休的平均那勞保呢勞工呢這是我現在走到哪面對最大的問題 |
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我想趙薇可能也會面對選民這樣的一個詢問老保加勞退平均的月退休的所得我們比一比就知道大概不會超過兩萬五所以比起來的話公教 |
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是高出我們的勞工朋友兩倍以上那麼回到我說的基本生活所需的這一個衡量的標準如果說一個五萬多以上的退休縫還難以維持基本生活我覺得這個命題是值得我們在就社會的各個層面去理解下一頁 |
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尤其我們當初修法的時候就已經針對所謂的通膨啦所謂的這個社會的不斷的進步發展啦我們各大的社會保險是不是都有一個一致的退休金的這個彈性調整的機制對不對部長當初修法的時候我們在年改的時候就考慮了嘛我們的規定是CPI的多少 |
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5%嘛 正負累積5% 都要檢討只要他是A或B嘛 CPI5%或是每四年就一定對不對A&B啦 都要所以這五年來的退休金的調漲我算了基於這一個檢討評估的機制 CPI跟著成長還有加上加薪大概調了6% 是不是沒有錯 我們調了兩次 |
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所以說配合物價定期檢討來保障退休人員的基本生活所需跟符合社會的期待的這件事情我們當初年改的時候就考慮了最後一頁我看最後一頁就好我後面還有很多今天就不講對不起不是看國際國際OECD國家的平均所得替代率的平均數是50.7% |
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OECD國家50.7%台灣的話以2025年所得替代率66%年改66%為例但是因為我們是本縫兩倍用分母來算其實我們實質月退是高達77.9% |
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以現在2025年所以台灣的公教的實質月退的所得替代率是高達77.9%遠高於OECD國家的50.7%所以我希望這個議題我們真的可以專業的理性的好好來討論最後一頁 |
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這是民生議題年改是民生議題年改是國家的永續年改是世代的正義我們讓民生第一我聽到在野黨的委員也都說這個會期要民生第一如果要民生第一的話我們就優先來推動民生的法案或是讓民生的法案能夠落實政黨的合作而不是政治的對抗 |
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我希望新會期我們在司法法治委員會列下這樣子的互相勉勵的目標年改是民生請將民生議案適用政黨合作的方式而不是對抗的方式來推動我們理性的我一直在對著翁委員喊話希望朝委再安排後續我知道您可能安排公聽會啦 相關的討論讓我們的多元的意見可以被彰顯我們理性來看待年改的相關議案謝謝部長 謝謝秘書長 謝謝大家 |
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謝謝 |